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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 9:24:51 GMT
remains' new 'hero'
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage heaps scorn on Boris Johnson's deal, telling his fellow MEPs it would reduce the UK "to the status of a colony of the European Union".
He says the PM struck the deal because he wants to avoid another extension to the Brexit deadline, which would "damage the Conservative Party in the polls".
"He wants to bounce us into this new treaty before we wake up," he says.
"It's the same story every time - it's about the Tory party, not the country".
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2019 9:25:06 GMT
Oh dear Brexit: Lib Dems urge Boris Johnson to disclose whether No 10 sanctioned any 'intelligence gathering' on MPs flip.it/h2H2D3How pathetic, if true. No, not pathetic. If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated. I believe it was Phillip Hammond who, during a heated exchange, came out with the line which said, "that is not what EU Lawyers advised me to do" (or words to that effect), which suggested that he had indeed been talking to EU Lawyers in regard to the Benn Act. What should happen to the MP for Shrewsbury?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 9:25:34 GMT
The vast majority of the Agreement has been known for about a year now. In reality it is only the Irish protocol that has changed. How much time does Parliament need?
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2019 9:26:20 GMT
I can't remember which on, but either the Maastricht Treaty or the Lisbon Treaty was not placed in the HoC Library (or reading room) until the last day before the Xmas recess. It was then the first thing voted on upon the return of Parliament after the recess, giving MP's only the Xmas holiday to examine it, which the vast majority obviously didn't.........don't tell me MP's didn't know what they were voting vote yet again? This whole "we need time for scrutiny" is getting tiresome. The Rabble Alliance have pushed Bills through Parliament in a SINGLE DAY recently. Was that enough time for proper scrutiny? It was neither.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 9:30:02 GMT
remains' new 'hero' Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage heaps scorn on Boris Johnson's deal, telling his fellow MEPs it would reduce the UK "to the status of a colony of the European Union". He says the PM struck the deal because he wants to avoid another extension to the Brexit deadline, which would "damage the Conservative Party in the polls". "He wants to bounce us into this new treaty before we wake up," he says. "It's the same story every time - it's about the Tory party, not the country". The Agreement is pretty sh1t. We all know that. A Clean Brexit is still the preferred option. However, it is now clear that we should take what is on offer now, leave, and then we have lots of time to re-negotiate anything we do not like. When things like Agreements and Treaties get signed they are not set in stone and are always being re-negotiated as times and circumstances change. Farage needs a General Election before Brexit happens. It is his best chance to get seats in the HoC. Anything less and it will hurt TBP. Hence his objection to the Agreement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 9:30:56 GMT
No, not pathetic. If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated. I believe it was Phillip Hammond who, during a heated exchange, came out with the line which said, "that is not what EU Lawyers advised me to do" (or words to that effect), which suggested that he had indeed been talking to EU Lawyers in regard to the Benn Act. What should happen to the MP for Shrewsbury? I don't know. What has he done?
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 9:38:52 GMT
What should happen to the MP for Shrewsbury? I don't know. What has he done? He was trying to get the Polish Government to basically kick us out
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2019 9:41:40 GMT
I don't know. What has he done? He was trying to get the Polish Government to basically kick us out And encouraged others with contacts in the EU27 to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 9:55:56 GMT
I don't know. What has he done? He was trying to get the Polish Government to basically kick us out Well, he was open about what he was doing, and he wasn't exactly working against the best interests of the British people was he? It was well publicized, as shown by the fact we all know about it! There is evidence that seems to show Hammond and Co took advice from a Foreign Power as to what should be written in an Act that became Law in the British Parliament. An Act that worked against the British Government and therefore, the British people. Methinks the two cases are miles apart.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2019 10:00:37 GMT
He was trying to get the Polish Government to basically kick us out Well, he was open about what he was doing, and he wasn't exactly working against the best interests of the British people was he? It was well publicized, as shown by the fact we all know about it! There is evidence that seems to show Hammond and Co took advice from a Foreign Power as to what should be written in an Act that became Law in the British Parliament. An Act that worked against the British Government and therefore, the British people. Methinks the two cases are miles apart. How convenient. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:17:14 GMT
Well, he was open about what he was doing, and he wasn't exactly working against the best interests of the British people was he? It was well publicized, as shown by the fact we all know about it! There is evidence that seems to show Hammond and Co took advice from a Foreign Power as to what should be written in an Act that became Law in the British Parliament. An Act that worked against the British Government and therefore, the British people. Methinks the two cases are miles apart. How convenient. 🙄 Not convenient Stuart, but being realistic.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 10:26:55 GMT
The vast majority of the Agreement has been known for about a year now. In reality it is only the Irish protocol that has changed. How much time does Parliament need? quite important though don't you think given Mr Barclay's slip up the other day. Brexit Secretary not even sure of the detail.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:58:35 GMT
No, not pathetic. If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated. I believe it was Phillip Hammond who, during a heated exchange, came out with the line which said, "that is not what EU Lawyers advised me to do" (or words to that effect), which suggested that he had indeed been talking to EU Lawyers in regard to the Benn Act. Yet another pointless distraction and time wasting exercise from the opposition. Again, rather than working to get brexit done all they can do is block, delay and go searching for mud. Pathetic and embarrassing. Then it will be quickly denied and disproven, and then the Lib Dems will have egg on their face. Conversely, the paranoia driven by Dominic Cummings (sacking an advisor to the elected Chancellor to wit) is quite apparent. Very Trump like.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 22, 2019 10:59:39 GMT
Not convenient Stuart, but being realistic. You said "If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated." One was open about it, the other something you 'understand'. I also see you didn't respond about the Maastricht treaty not being given scrutiny, yet it had three weeks at Committee Stage alone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 10:59:48 GMT
I can't remember which on, but either the Maastricht Treaty or the Lisbon Treaty was not placed in the HoC Library (or reading room) until the last day before the Xmas recess. It was then the first thing voted on upon the return of Parliament after the recess, giving MP's only the Xmas holiday to examine it, which the vast majority obviously didn't.........don't tell me MP's didn't know what they were voting vote yet again? This whole "we need time for scrutiny" is getting tiresome. The Rabble Alliance have pushed Bills through Parliament in a SINGLE DAY recently. Was that enough time for proper scrutiny? It was neither. 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:01:33 GMT
Not convenient Stuart, but being realistic. You said "If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated." One was open about it, the other something you 'understand'. I also see you didn't respond about the Maastricht treaty not being given scrutiny, yet it had three weeks at Committee Stage alone. They are making it up as usual Stuart
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 11:02:37 GMT
Nick Boles has tabbed an amendment. It a possible one I would think as the WA (if I recall correctly) states that an extension to the implementation can/must be requested by July 2020.
"I have tabled the following amendment to require the government by default to seek an extension of the transition to Dec 2022 unless MPs pass a resolution to the contrary. We must stop No Deal Brexit in Dec 2020"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:19:30 GMT
Nick Boles has tabbed an amendment. It a possible one I would think as the WA (if I recall correctly) states that an extension to the implementation can/must be requested by July 2020. "I have tabled the following amendment to require the government by default to seek an extension of the transition to Dec 2022 unless MPs pass a resolution to the contrary. We must stop No Deal Brexit in Dec 2020" Because they found this. Green Party MP Caroline Lucas discovers ‘trapdoor’ to No Deal Brexit flip.it/j5oiAcNo wonder they didnt want MPs to scrutinise their proposals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:24:42 GMT
The vast majority of the Agreement has been known for about a year now. In reality it is only the Irish protocol that has changed. How much time does Parliament need? quite important though don't you think given Mr Barclay's slip up the other day. Brexit Secretary not even sure of the detail. Once again, being realistic, you cannot expect every Minister who is interviewed to know the exact details of everything.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 11:28:02 GMT
quite important though don't you think given Mr Barclay's slip up the other day. Brexit Secretary not even sure of the detail. Once again, being realistic, you cannot expect every Minister who is interviewed to know the exact details of everything. maybe, but given Ireland was the sticking point, I would have hoped the Brexit secretary might have had some grasp of this
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