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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:00:46 GMT
So much talk from the opposition benches of “respect” but they seem completely oblivious to themselves clearly displaying zero respect for the people of this country who showed a clear desire to leave the EU. The continuous delaying tactics and efforts to dig out dirt on the PM is just embarrassing and the public and business just want this all concluded. Bercow is an absolute disgrace. Might as well have Gina Miller, Mr Broccoli or Oldie as Speaker. and what do you think concluded is? what do you expect concluded to be?
This is only the start. if we leave on Oct 31st or November the 10th and the WA is passed we are just on to the next bit about arguing a FTA with the EU
We cannot start on the FTA until Brexit is achieved. The sooner the better then eh?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:13:26 GMT
and what do you think concluded is? what do you expect concluded to be?
This is only the start. if we leave on Oct 31st or November the 10th and the WA is passed we are just on to the next bit about arguing a FTA with the EU
Legally departed and beyond the point at which any more unscrupulous activities by democracy deniers can halt progress. I’d like to think once our departure is confirmed there will be more urgency and collective cooperation in moving through the next stages but I suspect the opposition parties will continue to put their own selfish political ambitions and point scoring ahead of the country and their constituents best interests. I think Nobby is right. Come the next GE the opposition will realise how damaging their despicable tactics have antagonised the electorate - if it continues I can only see a landslide for Boris. Or the million on the street, the millions that signed the petition, the crude lies of leavers comes into play. Death to those who would whimper and cry (Dylan Tombstone Blues)
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Post by aghast on Oct 21, 2019 17:29:40 GMT
and what do you think concluded is? what do you expect concluded to be?
This is only the start. if we leave on Oct 31st or November the 10th and the WA is passed we are just on to the next bit about arguing a FTA with the EU
Legally departed and beyond the point at which any more unscrupulous activities by democracy deniers can halt progress. I’d like to think once our departure is confirmed there will be more urgency and collective cooperation in moving through the next stages but I suspect the opposition parties will continue to put their own selfish political ambitions and point scoring ahead of the country and their constituents best interests. I think Nobby is right. Come the next GE the opposition will realise how damaging their despicable tactics have antagonised the electorate - if it continues I can only see a landslide for Boris. Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 17:31:01 GMT
Legally departed and beyond the point at which any more unscrupulous activities by democracy deniers can halt progress. I’d like to think once our departure is confirmed there will be more urgency and collective cooperation in moving through the next stages but I suspect the opposition parties will continue to put their own selfish political ambitions and point scoring ahead of the country and their constituents best interests. I think Nobby is right. Come the next GE the opposition will realise how damaging their despicable tactics have antagonised the electorate - if it continues I can only see a landslide for Boris. Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters. Shhhhh Aghast They dont want to hear that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 18:16:24 GMT
Legally departed and beyond the point at which any more unscrupulous activities by democracy deniers can halt progress. I’d like to think once our departure is confirmed there will be more urgency and collective cooperation in moving through the next stages but I suspect the opposition parties will continue to put their own selfish political ambitions and point scoring ahead of the country and their constituents best interests. I think Nobby is right. Come the next GE the opposition will realise how damaging their despicable tactics have antagonised the electorate - if it continues I can only see a landslide for Boris. Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters. 52% in a GE would be the biggest landslide win ever ! Off the top of my head Blair's biggest win was achieved with something like 32%.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 19:02:45 GMT
Legally departed and beyond the point at which any more unscrupulous activities by democracy deniers can halt progress. I’d like to think once our departure is confirmed there will be more urgency and collective cooperation in moving through the next stages but I suspect the opposition parties will continue to put their own selfish political ambitions and point scoring ahead of the country and their constituents best interests. I think Nobby is right. Come the next GE the opposition will realise how damaging their despicable tactics have antagonised the electorate - if it continues I can only see a landslide for Boris. Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters. I wouldn’t be so sure. That 48% are not necessarily anti Tory or anti Boris. As an example a family member, a high earning business professional admittedly voted Remain purely for selfish reasons to avoid any potential economic turbulence that may affect his industry and which was being heavily hyped up at the time. He is not a fan of the EU and would prefer to be out but chose remain for short term stability rather than in belief it was in the country’s best long term interest. He says he will continue to vote Tory. There are Pro Leave on the left and Pro Remain on the right so I’m not sure your assumptions are correct. One thing is for sure IMO and that is the constant delaying tactics and obstruction from the Remain parliament is proving better than any electoral campaign that the Tory party could ever come up with. Makes me chuckle that all the loudmouth lefty protestors are helping secure Boris a long term tenure as PM !!
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Post by aghast on Oct 21, 2019 19:25:15 GMT
Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters. 52% in a GE would be the biggest landslide win ever ! Off the top of my head Blair's biggest win was achieved with something like 32%. My point was that I find it hard to believe that any Remainers could vote for Boris, even if they've always voted Tory. I would expect a lot of those simply wouldn't vote. On the other side, Leavers are, as has been pointed out, by no means all Tories, but they're not going to vote for Boris. The Labour Leavers might still vote Labour because of, or despite, Cornbyn's ambiguous stance on Europe. However it turns out, Boris has split the electorate roughly 50:50, and I would be astonished, having done so, that he could hope to gain a landslide victory. But who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
52% in a GE would be the biggest landslide win ever ! Off the top of my head Blair's biggest win was achieved with something like 32%. My point was that I find it hard to believe that any Remainers could vote for Boris, even if they've always voted Tory. I would expect a lot of those simply wouldn't vote. On the other side, Leavers are, as has been pointed out, by no means all Tories, but they're not going to vote for Boris. The Labour Leavers might still vote Labour because of, or despite, Cornbyn's ambiguous stance on Europe. However it turns out, Boris has split the electorate roughly 50:50, and I would be astonished, having done so, that he could hope to gain a landslide victory. But who knows? I think actually trying to be progressive and get things done is more endearing than the opposition parties approach which is just obstruction, delay, self interest and muck throwing. Every day that passes the opposition parties will lose more voters. I think Labour would probably be third in a GE at this time - voting in Corbin and McDoughnut would be a fate worse than a fate worse than death that nobody will risk other than the bellends glued to trains and students brainwashed by their Socialist Worker waving geography teachers!
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Post by peterparker on Oct 21, 2019 20:22:47 GMT
Just 110 pages of bill and 125 pages of notes for MPs to read by tomorrow morning then
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 22:16:45 GMT
Just 110 pages of bill and 125 pages of notes for MPs to read by tomorrow morning then The remainers in parliament probably wish they could have all the wasted weeks and months they’ve caused back!
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 4:34:53 GMT
Just 110 pages of bill and 125 pages of notes for MPs to read by tomorrow morning then The remainers in parliament probably wish they could have all the wasted weeks and months they’ve caused back! But its the Government that with held the draft legislation since the beginning of BREXIT
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 7:37:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 7:38:53 GMT
The remainers in parliament probably wish they could have all the wasted weeks and months they’ve caused back! But its the Government that with held the draft legislation since the beginning of BREXIT Exactly. And so, the rewriting of history starts, to cover lies and gross incompetence. A bit like chiding the NHS for having up to date equipment. Its beyond parody
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 7:42:37 GMT
Oh dear Brexit: Lib Dems urge Boris Johnson to disclose whether No 10 sanctioned any 'intelligence gathering' on MPs flip.it/h2H2D3How pathetic, if true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:41:55 GMT
Well 48% of the electorate surely won't be voting for him, so he'll have to conjure a majority out of 52% of potential voters. I wouldn’t be so sure. That 48% are not necessarily anti Tory or anti Boris. As an example a family member, a high earning business professional admittedly voted Remain purely for selfish reasons to avoid any potential economic turbulence that may affect his industry and which was being heavily hyped up at the time. He is not a fan of the EU and would prefer to be out but chose remain for short term stability rather than in belief it was in the country’s best long term interest. He says he will continue to vote Tory. There are Pro Leave on the left and Pro Remain on the right so I’m not sure your assumptions are correct. One thing is for sure IMO and that is the constant delaying tactics and obstruction from the Remain parliament is proving better than any electoral campaign that the Tory party could ever come up with. Makes me chuckle that all the loudmouth lefty protestors are helping secure Boris a long term tenure as PM !! This is spot on Eric. People have been drawn into this Tory v Labour v Lib Dems argument, when Brexit was a National vote which cut across traditional party lines. It is the politicians that have made it a party issue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:51:45 GMT
Oh dear Brexit: Lib Dems urge Boris Johnson to disclose whether No 10 sanctioned any 'intelligence gathering' on MPs flip.it/h2H2D3How pathetic, if true. No, not pathetic. If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated. I believe it was Phillip Hammond who, during a heated exchange, came out with the line which said, "that is not what EU Lawyers advised me to do" (or words to that effect), which suggested that he had indeed been talking to EU Lawyers in regard to the Benn Act.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:56:42 GMT
I can't remember which on, but either the Maastricht Treaty or the Lisbon Treaty was not placed in the HoC Library (or reading room) until the last day before the Xmas recess. It was then the first thing voted on upon the return of Parliament after the recess, giving MP's only the Xmas holiday to examine it, which the vast majority obviously didn't.........don't tell me MP's didn't know what they were voting vote yet again? This whole "we need time for scrutiny" is getting tiresome. The Rabble Alliance have pushed Bills through Parliament in a SINGLE DAY recently. Was that enough time for proper scrutiny?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:58:16 GMT
The remainers in parliament probably wish they could have all the wasted weeks and months they’ve caused back! But its the Government that with held the draft legislation since the beginning of BREXIT This is because it was the accepted method to get an Agreement first, and then do the legislation. The Letwin Bill changed that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 8:59:26 GMT
Oh dear Brexit: Lib Dems urge Boris Johnson to disclose whether No 10 sanctioned any 'intelligence gathering' on MPs flip.it/h2H2D3How pathetic, if true. No, not pathetic. If MP's have been colluding with foreign governments to act against the interests of the British government, and therefore the British people, then it should be investigated. I believe it was Phillip Hammond who, during a heated exchange, came out with the line which said, "that is not what EU Lawyers advised me to do" (or words to that effect), which suggested that he had indeed been talking to EU Lawyers in regard to the Benn Act. Yet another pointless distraction and time wasting exercise from the opposition. Again, rather than working to get brexit done all they can do is block, delay and go searching for mud. Pathetic and embarrassing.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 22, 2019 9:20:18 GMT
I can't remember which on, but either the Maastricht Treaty or the Lisbon Treaty was not placed in the HoC Library (or reading room) until the last day before the Xmas recess. It was then the first thing voted on upon the return of Parliament after the recess, giving MP's only the Xmas holiday to examine it, which the vast majority obviously didn't.........don't tell me MP's didn't know what they were voting vote yet again? This whole "we need time for scrutiny" is getting tiresome. The Rabble Alliance have pushed Bills through Parliament in a SINGLE DAY recently. Was that enough time for proper scrutiny? This is taking back control. Our parliament, making our laws. That's what you voted for right?
That it may not have been done properly before does not mean it shouldn't be done properly now. After all you yourself want us to be free on the EU bureaucracy.
In theory there is as much reason for the Government to have it scrutinised properly so they don't fall foul of their own legislation down the line
The Benn Act went through quick because it was 2 pages, not 541 pages of a treaty, 30 of a political declaration, 110 pages of legislation and 125 notes to it
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