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Post by knowall on Aug 26, 2018 10:02:08 GMT
Just imagine for a moment, that you work in a widget making factory. You trained at another widget making factory where you were a widget polisher, in fact, that is what you have been doing since leaving school. Anyway you turn up for work on monday, not knowing if, today, you will actually required to polish widgets or sit today out. If you are required to work, if you will be polishing widgets, or today maybe moulding widgets from raw materials. You don't know who else from the work force will be working along side you, after all it takes a team to make widgets. Would you not be turning up for work a little confused? And how would that affect your performance? OR put another way You arrived at a football club as a seasoned mid field player in another town where you had been since leaving school. And on this Saturday you turned up expecting but not knowing if you would be on the team sheet You are, that's good, but you are down to play on the wing - oh! And some of your team mates are not in their accustomed positions either? Would you be a little confused? And how would that affect your performance?
A long winded way of saying I believe players who play team games should, in my opinion, play in their accustomed position that they have been trained in, and presumably signed on for, to get the best out of them. And that the team selection should be consistent so that every player knows what he and those around him are capable and able to do.
I cannot criticise DC because he has a proven record which cannot be disputed, but I do believe it is a reason why players, yesterday, did not perform to their best abilities, and possibly why our season seems always to get off to a bad start.
You may well think differently?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 26, 2018 10:07:00 GMT
Seems pretty obvious to most of us and I hope after yesterday's performance that DC finally stops watering about.
I'd rather see "weaker" players played in their respective positions than better players playing out of position.
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 26, 2018 10:10:43 GMT
But these posts don't appear after wins.
DC doesn't widgetise differently. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by knowall on Aug 26, 2018 10:20:49 GMT
But these posts don't appear after wins.
DC doesn't widgetise differently. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. If I was being funny, I would say "I can't remember that far back" but I accept your point. Having said that I was brought up on Megson and Francis who rarely lost matches and who had small but stable sides, home and away, hot or cold, wet or dry, etc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:39:08 GMT
Look at it like this. Poor signings Poor tactics Poor playing players out of position Poor imbalanced squad Not getting that CB and LB urgently required Poor preseason Result poor football lumping it,poor results,uneasy changing room,no confidence management and players under pressure,who’s too blame ? The owners yes The management team yes Who suffers we the fans yes and we pay good money It’s a shambles at present time for all too get there acts together.
RESULT Relagation I’m afraid 😟 if they don’t get their acts together quickly UTG
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Post by knowall on Aug 26, 2018 10:59:44 GMT
Look at it like this. Poor signings Poor tactics Poor playing players out of position Poor imbalanced squad Not getting that CB and LB urgently required Poor preseason Result poor football lumping it,poor results,uneasy changing room,no confidence management and players under pressure,who’s too blame ? The owners yes The management team yes Who suffers we the fans yes and we pay good money It’s a shambles at present time for all too get there acts together. RESULT Relagation I’m afraid 😟 if they don’t get their acts together quickly UTG Some good points but I believe DC will sort it and relegation will not happen. We have some good players - most of the signings are good and will prove to be so. Losing a player of Brown's importance to the teams success is a blow - which should have been addressed As for us poor supporters - we have suffered before and it is something we get used to. We can even feel sorry for those supporters of clubs who were in the premiership and who are not now - how bad must they feel?
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 26, 2018 11:19:20 GMT
Seems pretty obvious to most of us and I hope after yesterday's performance that DC finally stops watering about. I'd rather see "weaker" players played in their respective positions than better players playing out of position. That is the simple answer Gerrard and Lampard could not be played in the same team same goes for Lines and Sercs. Sercs should be centre mid, with Russe or sincs breaking up the play. kelly would give more energy at left back. The tinkerman ain’t pep so let’s get back to basics.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 26, 2018 11:22:53 GMT
there's no heaven
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 26, 2018 11:25:23 GMT
Just imagine for a moment, that you work in a widget making factory. You trained at another widget making factory where you were a widget polisher, in fact, that is what you have been doing since leaving school. Anyway you turn up for work on monday, not knowing if, today, you will actually required to polish widgets or sit today out. If you are required to work, if you will be polishing widgets, or today maybe moulding widgets from raw materials. You don't know who else from the work force will be working along side you, after all it takes a team to make widgets. Would you not be turning up for work a little confused? And how would that affect your performance?OR put another way You arrived at a football club as a seasoned mid field player in another town where you had been since leaving school. And on this Saturday you turned up expecting but not knowing if you would be on the team sheet You are, that's good, but you are down to play on the wing - oh! And some of your team mates are not in their accustomed positions either? Would you be a little confused? And how would that affect your performance?A long winded way of saying I believe players who play team games should, in my opinion, play in their accustomed position that they have been trained in, and presumably signed on for, to get the best out of them. And that the team selection should be consistent so that every player knows what he and those around him are capable and able to do. I cannot criticise DC because he has a proven record which cannot be disputed, but I do believe it is a reason why players, yesterday, did not perform to their best abilities, and possibly why our season seems always to get off to a bad start. You may well think differently? Yes I certainly think differently. They should know the situation before they join us. They agree to join us & agree their contract with us. It might be a shock to some of us to see the line up at 2pm on a Saturday but the bit you left out was that they train every day. It should be no shock to the players. Now whether they like it or not is a different matter. How many managers get the sack due to poor performance & the same team go a run of 5/6 games then fall back to the same old poor performances, you only have to look at our recent past. However, I am not saying DC has got everything right by any means. He is well known for saying fitness & attitude is the main attributes he looks for in a player, and yesterday it looked to me that there were several lacking in both. If they can't stand the heat then they need to leave the kitchen.
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Post by axegas on Aug 26, 2018 11:40:02 GMT
But these posts don't appear after wins.
DC doesn't widgetise differently. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. If I was being funny, I would say "I can't remember that far back" but I accept your point. Having said that I was brought up on Megson and Francis who rarely lost matches and who had small but stable sides, home and away, hot or cold, wet or dry, etc But you’ve also seen Martin Dobson, Ray Graydon, Dave Penney and Mark McGhee in that time so you should know that it’s not always easy supporting Rovers. Hopefully we come through this rough patch and turn a corner.
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Post by dragonfly on Aug 26, 2018 11:46:42 GMT
It,s easy if you try.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 26, 2018 11:53:59 GMT
This could be heaven for everyone
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Post by knowall on Aug 26, 2018 11:56:37 GMT
Just imagine for a moment, that you work in a widget making factory. You trained at another widget making factory where you were a widget polisher, in fact, that is what you have been doing since leaving school. Anyway you turn up for work on monday, not knowing if, today, you will actually required to polish widgets or sit today out. If you are required to work, if you will be polishing widgets, or today maybe moulding widgets from raw materials. You don't know who else from the work force will be working along side you, after all it takes a team to make widgets. Would you not be turning up for work a little confused? And how would that affect your performance?OR put another way You arrived at a football club as a seasoned mid field player in another town where you had been since leaving school. And on this Saturday you turned up expecting but not knowing if you would be on the team sheet You are, that's good, but you are down to play on the wing - oh! And some of your team mates are not in their accustomed positions either? Would you be a little confused? And how would that affect your performance?A long winded way of saying I believe players who play team games should, in my opinion, play in their accustomed position that they have been trained in, and presumably signed on for, to get the best out of them. And that the team selection should be consistent so that every player knows what he and those around him are capable and able to do. I cannot criticise DC because he has a proven record which cannot be disputed, but I do believe it is a reason why players, yesterday, did not perform to their best abilities, and possibly why our season seems always to get off to a bad start. You may well think differently? Yes I certainly think differently. They should know the situation before they join us. They agree to join us & agree their contract with us. It might be a shock to some of us to see the line up at 2pm on a Saturday but the bit you left out was that they train every day. It should be no shock to the players. Now whether they like it or not is a different matter. How many managers get the sack due to poor performance & the same team go a run of 5/6 games then fall back to the same old poor performances, you only have to look at our recent past. However, I am not saying DC has got everything right by any means. He is well known for saying fitness & attitude is the main attributes he looks for in a player, and yesterday it looked to me that there were several lacking in both. If they can't stand the heat then they need to leave the kitchen. And maybe you have heard it said that some agents have told their players not to consider Rovers because you cannot guarantee a run in the side? I know if I do something once day, every day, I get better at it, but if I do it now and again, or once a week, I don't necessarily improve.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 26, 2018 12:14:34 GMT
There is no excuse playing players out of position this early into the season. DC had all summer to get his team together and it looks like he still doesnt know his best one.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 26, 2018 12:19:47 GMT
Yes I certainly think differently. They should know the situation before they join us. They agree to join us & agree their contract with us. It might be a shock to some of us to see the line up at 2pm on a Saturday but the bit you left out was that they train every day. It should be no shock to the players. Now whether they like it or not is a different matter. How many managers get the sack due to poor performance & the same team go a run of 5/6 games then fall back to the same old poor performances, you only have to look at our recent past. However, I am not saying DC has got everything right by any means. He is well known for saying fitness & attitude is the main attributes he looks for in a player, and yesterday it looked to me that there were several lacking in both. If they can't stand the heat then they need to leave the kitchen. And maybe you have heard it said that some agents have told their players not to consider Rovers because you cannot guarantee a run in the side? I know if I do something once day, every day, I get better at it, but if I do it now and again, or once a week, I don't necessarily improve. Or that we don't pay enough? i am saying they do practice every day & that along with that they will practice different tactics, formations etc. The manager is not always going to be right & its up to those around him such as MS to point things out to him & change if necessary, but if some players want to show their attitude out on the pitch & not make the effort, then they can bu@@er off & perhaps get a job in a widget factory.
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Post by northridinggas on Aug 26, 2018 13:49:00 GMT
Yes I certainly think differently. They should know the situation before they join us. They agree to join us & agree their contract with us. It might be a shock to some of us to see the line up at 2pm on a Saturday but the bit you left out was that they train every day. It should be no shock to the players. Now whether they like it or not is a different matter. How many managers get the sack due to poor performance & the same team go a run of 5/6 games then fall back to the same old poor performances, you only have to look at our recent past. However, I am not saying DC has got everything right by any means. He is well known for saying fitness & attitude is the main attributes he looks for in a player, and yesterday it looked to me that there were several lacking in both. If they can't stand the heat then they need to leave the kitchen. And maybe you have heard it said that some agents have told their players not to consider Rovers because you cannot guarantee a run in the side? I know if I do something once day, every day, I get better at it, but if I do it now and again, or once a week, I don't necessarily improve. Sounds like another attempt to deflect criticism from your mates on the board Knowall. I hope this isn't the start of a whispering campaign to soften the blow ahead of DC feeling so frustrated he leaves? like everyone I have criticisms of some of DCs decisions but the reality is I currently have a lot more faith in him than the owners. I'd be overjoyed if the latter prove me wrong but I see little sign of it so far.
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