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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2018 12:11:18 GMT
Absolutely no recollection of him playing for us!! I recall the name of a loanee, seem to recall he didn't set the world alight with us. To the general thread - It is easy to criticise people with addictive personalities, not so easy for the person themselves.I'm not sure this exists? People can get addicted to things but I think pretty much everyone is addicted to something in one way or another, even if it is in a good way. I think anybody that says they have "an addictive personality" is probably in their head. I think there are plenty of things people can be addicted to but I don't believe "having an addictive personality exists", I may be wrong though, just my opinion.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 6, 2018 12:11:18 GMT
I have emailed Gorringe Well done GGMI! I find betting has equally bad consequences to smoking and drinking and am astonished at the reliance SKY and other sporting events have on the betting industry. It was made illegal for Snooker to have the tobacco companies sponsor events and 10 years ago Snooker was in deep sh** trying to get alternative sponsors. Step in the betting industry. Just as bad. Have seen some very bad effects of the betting addiction. Yes I know it’s up to the individual to say “no” but some find it hard to do so and it becomes an illness and people need help. UTG!
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 6, 2018 12:13:41 GMT
Sporting chance is the rehab centre Tony Adams (ex Arsenal & England) set up and is in Dorset. I met Tony on a number of occasions and my son spent 2 periods in his centre. It doesn't just help footballers but stars of every sport and they employ the best psychologists to support them. Sadly as many are aware I lost my son to his addictive habits last year. Sorry to hear that buddy. What a terrible tragedy. I’m sure you did everything you possibly could. And why I feel quite passionately about gambling being so influential in sport now. It’s so destructive if ones are unable to control the habit. I remember watching a programme a couple of years back about someone who lost over £200k of life savings, his house, his marriage, his family and then his job after he was out of money and options and used his company credit card to pay for a bet. The silly thing was, it started with a £10 bet on his local rugby team which he supported to win a game. That win caused him more loss than he could have ever bargained for. Thank you for your kind words. Gambling is like any other addiction - you think you have control of it and can stop at anytime but in a lot of cases that's just not the case. People then feel unable to turn to others for help because of the shame and fear of judgement. Usually when it becomes apparent there's a real problem there are serious other issues like mental health problems to deal with on top of trying to manage the debts. Its all all very sad and in a way it's disappointing that Rovers chose the sponsors they have as it kind of validates the industry as being ok.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2018 12:14:41 GMT
I have emailed Gorringe Well done GGMI! I find betting has equally bad consequences to smoking and drinking and am astonished at the reliance SKY and other sporting events have on the betting industry. It was made illegal for Snooker to have the tobacco companies sponsor events and 10 years ago Snooker was in deep sh** trying to get alternative sponsors. Step in the betting industry. Just as bad. Have seen some very bad effects of the betting addiction. Yes I know it’s up to the individual to say “no” but some find it hard to do so and it becomes an illness and people need help. UTG! Agreed, I don't think the advertising should be outlawed completely but I think there should definitely be more regulations. It is right in your face at the moment. Between every football match, you will get some sort of advert on the tv. Can you imagine how many children watch football on tv and see some betting advert at HT? It's no wonder we have situations like the above, and the frequent advertising these days is only going to make it worse.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2018 12:21:57 GMT
Sorry to hear that buddy. What a terrible tragedy. I’m sure you did everything you possibly could. And why I feel quite passionately about gambling being so influential in sport now. It’s so destructive if ones are unable to control the habit. I remember watching a programme a couple of years back about someone who lost over £200k of life savings, his house, his marriage, his family and then his job after he was out of money and options and used his company credit card to pay for a bet. The silly thing was, it started with a £10 bet on his local rugby team which he supported to win a game. That win caused him more loss than he could have ever bargained for. Thank you for your kind words. Gambling is like any other addiction - you think you have control of it and can stop at anytime but in a lot of cases that's just not the case. People then feel unable to turn to others for help because of the shame and fear of judgement. Usually when it becomes apparent there's a real problem there are serious other issues like mental health problems to deal with on top of trying to manage the debts. Its all all very sad and in a way it's disappointing that Rovers chose the sponsors they have as it kind of validates the industry as being ok. Whilst I understand what you are saying, we have to do what is best financially for the club. Us being sponsored by them or not will make little difference to the regulations.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2018 12:39:33 GMT
I recall the name of a loanee, seem to recall he didn't set the world alight with us. To the general thread - It is easy to criticise people with addictive personalities, not so easy for the person themselves.I'm not sure this exists? People can get addicted to things but I think pretty much everyone is addicted to something in one way or another, even if it is in a good way. I think anybody that says they have "an addictive personality" is probably in their head. I think there are plenty of things people can be addicted to but I don't believe "having an addictive personality exists", I may be wrong though, just my opinion. An addictive personality absolutely does exist, but it isn't always a negative thing. We all know someone who is really, really into something. Like, not just enjoys it, but is REALLY obsessed. One of the things for people with an addictive personality is to find something other than gambling to get hooked on. It's not always about chasing the "highs" of winning and isn't always about instant gratification. A close member of my family started gardening and is totally obsessed that now. He brings on seeds and spends hours in his greenhouse instead of the bookies!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2018 12:49:43 GMT
I'm not sure this exists? People can get addicted to things but I think pretty much everyone is addicted to something in one way or another, even if it is in a good way. I think anybody that says they have "an addictive personality" is probably in their head. I think there are plenty of things people can be addicted to but I don't believe "having an addictive personality exists", I may be wrong though, just my opinion. An addictive personality absolutely does exist, but it isn't always a negative thing. We all know someone who is really, really into something. Like, not just enjoys it, but is REALLY obsessed. One of the things for people with an addictive personality is to find something other than gambling to get hooked on. It's not always about chasing the "highs" of winning and isn't always about instant gratification. A close member of my family started gardening and is totally obsessed that now. He brings on seeds and spends hours in his greenhouse instead of the bookies! But doesn't addictive personality imply that they can easily be addictive with most things? Being into one thing really badly can be an addiction or obsession about a passion etc.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 6, 2018 12:53:22 GMT
An addictive personality absolutely does exist, but it isn't always a negative thing. We all know someone who is really, really into something. Like, not just enjoys it, but is REALLY obsessed. One of the things for people with an addictive personality is to find something other than gambling to get hooked on. It's not always about chasing the "highs" of winning and isn't always about instant gratification. A close member of my family started gardening and is totally obsessed that now. He brings on seeds and spends hours in his greenhouse instead of the bookies! But doesn't addictive personality imply that they can easily be addictive with most things? Being into one thing really badly can be an addiction or obsession about a passion etc.
There are usually quite a few co-morbidities associated with gambling addiction. If you have it for gambling chances are you have others as well.
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 6, 2018 12:59:51 GMT
Whilst I understand what you are saying, we have to do what is best financially for the club. Us being sponsored by them or not will make little difference to the regulations. Advertising is raising awareness of a product to increase sales. I get Rovers want the best deal to raise the most money but that would also apply to our sponsors - they want a vehicle which they see matches their targeted demographic. People have enquiried who are our Sponsers and what do they do and how - that subtly created curiosity can be enough for some to be tempted have a go - no different to bet365 all over televised football with their fun betting odds on things like corners and yellow cards. Don’t put the product under people’s noses - make it harder to find and hopefully it wil reduce the temptation. Adverts for quick loans on day time tv along with online bingo betting targeted at women are others - but please don’t get me started on that now lol
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 6, 2018 13:06:33 GMT
Its a bit hard for Rovers to get away from betting when League one is sponsored by SkyBet?
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 6, 2018 13:09:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45427872...The charity named in the original post SPORTING CHANCE, I've never heard of them until this article. I wonder if Tom Gorringe can promote them on a match day or something? It seems they deal with a lot of issues, these include emotional health, alcohol, drugs, gambling and depression. In fact, I am happy to email Gorringe with this idea if people agree it's a good one? I would have hoped the owners would have told TG never to accept any poisonous sponsors, such as gambling, betting or extortionate loans, but presumably they haven't.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 6, 2018 13:16:07 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45427872...The charity named in the original post SPORTING CHANCE, I've never heard of them until this article. I wonder if Tom Gorringe can promote them on a match day or something? It seems they deal with a lot of issues, these include emotional health, alcohol, drugs, gambling and depression. In fact, I am happy to email Gorringe with this idea if people agree it's a good one? I would have hoped the owners would have told TG never to accept any poisonous sponsors, such as gambling, betting or extortionate loans, but presumably they haven't.
How many times has advertising at the ground made you purchase something? For me, never. If betting interested me I would already be aware of it before I saw any sponsor on a shirt or advertising board.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 6, 2018 13:40:22 GMT
It’s subliminal advertising though. You may not want to gamble there and then, have no need for McCarthy Marland to collect recycling or use Dribuild to build you something, but if you did want to do those things or have a call to use a service you brain will trigger what you think you saw or can clearly remember from seeing it more than once.
That’s what betting companies do. They don’t encourage to bet big or on one score, it’s small things just to get you hooked. I don’t gamble at all. But I could probably name you at least 10 online gambling houses just from the repetitive nature of seeing it around football.
The line “when the fun stops, stop” isn’t the same as smoking which is “smoking seriously damages your health” and can be pictorialised. But something similar needs to be done.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 6, 2018 13:56:26 GMT
It’s subliminal advertising though. You may not want to gamble there and then, have no need for McCarthy Marland to collect recycling or use Dribuild to build you something, but if you did want to do those things or have a call to use a service you brain will trigger what you think you saw or can clearly remember from seeing it more than once. That’s what betting companies do. They don’t encourage to bet big or on one score, it’s small things just to get you hooked. I don’t gamble at all. But I could probably name you at least 10 online gambling houses just from the repetitive nature of seeing it around football. The line “when the fun stops, stop” isn’t the same as smoking which is “smoking seriously damages your health” and can be pictorialised. But something similar needs to be done.
This is my point though, you are addicted to the game not the service providers.
The advertising is just to get you to use their service rather than their competitors.
Betting is easier these days being online but stopping advertising wont make anyone less aware they can bet online whenever they want so I cant see it making a difference.
Also, where do you stop? Someone's missus could be spending all the family cash on shoes and outfits. Should we stop retail outlets from advertising as well?
Don't get me wrong I feel for people who get themselves into a mess with this, but the problem runs a lot deeper than mere advertising.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2018 14:48:11 GMT
It’s subliminal advertising though. You may not want to gamble there and then, have no need for McCarthy Marland to collect recycling or use Dribuild to build you something, but if you did want to do those things or have a call to use a service you brain will trigger what you think you saw or can clearly remember from seeing it more than once. That’s what betting companies do. They don’t encourage to bet big or on one score, it’s small things just to get you hooked. I don’t gamble at all. But I could probably name you at least 10 online gambling houses just from the repetitive nature of seeing it around football. The line “when the fun stops, stop” isn’t the same as smoking which is “smoking seriously damages your health” and can be pictorialised. But something similar needs to be done.
This is my point though, you are addicted to the game not the service providers.
The advertising is just to get you to use their service rather than their competitors.
Betting is easier these days being online but stopping advertising wont make anyone less aware they can bet online whenever they want so I cant see it making a difference.
Also, where do you stop? Someone's missus could be spending all the family cash on shoes and outfits. Should we stop retail outlets from advertising as well?
Don't get me wrong I feel for people who get themselves into a mess with this, but the problem runs a lot deeper than mere advertising.
A lot of football sponsorship is just product placement and about getting your name known and familiar. Some of the betting ads on TV are really bad and actively encourage people to gamble rather than just making people aware of their products.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2018 14:53:14 GMT
An addictive personality absolutely does exist, but it isn't always a negative thing. We all know someone who is really, really into something. Like, not just enjoys it, but is REALLY obsessed. One of the things for people with an addictive personality is to find something other than gambling to get hooked on. It's not always about chasing the "highs" of winning and isn't always about instant gratification. A close member of my family started gardening and is totally obsessed that now. He brings on seeds and spends hours in his greenhouse instead of the bookies! But doesn't addictive personality imply that they can easily be addictive with most things? Being into one thing really badly can be an addiction or obsession about a passion etc. I think that a passion for something is seen as more positive but also would indicate some level of control. An addiction is when you can't stop yourself doing something even if you know it's harmful to you. If someone gets addicted to something that doesn't harm them or others no one notices.
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 6, 2018 15:41:29 GMT
I have emailed Gorringe Not a lot of folk say this but well done pal.
Ok, serious head on fur 5. A lot of folk think its just weak minded people who get sucked in by advertising but so do th so-called clever buggers.
I think those who say it aint a problem need ta realise IT IS an it may not affect you but it might one of yer family one day.
Open/honest i've been addicted ta gambling, 7 days a week it consumed me, i got out luckily but i can assure yous it aint been my only vice sadly an i got th scars to remind me on a daily basis, an i'm not talking visible scars.
I don't think we're lookin for th nanny state type thing here but i do believe folk need protecting more.
Anywae, thats enuff. TBH that took some writing.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2018 15:50:03 GMT
I have emailed Gorringe Not a lot of folk say this but well done pal.
Ok, serious head on fur 5. A lot of folk think its just weak minded people who get sucked in by advertising but so do th so-called clever buggers.
I think those who say it aint a problem need ta realise IT IS an it may not affect you but it might one of yer family one day.
Open/honest i've been addicted ta gambling, 7 days a week it consumed me, i got out luckily but i can assure yous it aint been my only vice sadly an i got th scars to remind me on a daily basis, an i'm not talking visible scars.
I don't think we're lookin for th nanny state type thing here but i do believe folk need protecting more.
Anywae, thats enuff. TBH that took some writing.
It's better getting it off your chest sometimes, so well done for that. The first problem to solving a mistake is admitting it too. If I was ever chasing, it would depress me. I had times where I would be betting all overnight and going into work on no sleep. They were few and far between in the big scheme of things but it would happen and seriously affect my mood for the rest of that week.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 6, 2018 17:05:10 GMT
It’s subliminal advertising though. You may not want to gamble there and then, have no need for McCarthy Marland to collect recycling or use Dribuild to build you something, but if you did want to do those things or have a call to use a service you brain will trigger what you think you saw or can clearly remember from seeing it more than once. That’s what betting companies do. They don’t encourage to bet big or on one score, it’s small things just to get you hooked. I don’t gamble at all. But I could probably name you at least 10 online gambling houses just from the repetitive nature of seeing it around football. The line “when the fun stops, stop” isn’t the same as smoking which is “smoking seriously damages your health” and can be pictorialised. But something similar needs to be done.
This is my point though, you are addicted to the game not the service providers.
The advertising is just to get you to use their service rather than their competitors.
Betting is easier these days being online but stopping advertising wont make anyone less aware they can bet online whenever they want so I cant see it making a difference.
Also, where do you stop? Someone's missus could be spending all the family cash on shoes and outfits. Should we stop retail outlets from advertising as well?
Don't get me wrong I feel for people who get themselves into a mess with this, but the problem runs a lot deeper than mere advertising.
That’s exactly the same as saying a smoker is addicted to nicotine and an alcoholic is addicted to the fermentation of yeast so there is no culpability to the brands of fags and booze so it can be advertised at will. We know that a recovering smoker or alcoholic can be influenced mentally by seeing adverts. Its temptation. It may be easy to disregard it if you don’t suffer from an addiction yourself or previously haven’t fought one. As Lympstone put it, it allies with mental health issues as well. The smoking, drug taking, gambling are just the tip of the iceberg. We are talking about ruinous habits here. Remdeption from being a shop aholic to a gambler I would say has less consequences.
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 6, 2018 17:11:50 GMT
The power of advertising has some effect. I noticed at the last home game "Bristol Drains" had pulled the plug on their advert on the Centenary Stand. I don't know if they've got something in the pipeline.
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