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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2018 19:14:16 GMT
I would have hoped the owners would have told TG never to accept any poisonous sponsors, such as gambling, betting or extortionate loans, but presumably they haven't.
How many times has advertising at the ground made you purchase something? For me, never. If betting interested me I would already be aware of it before I saw any sponsor on a shirt or advertising board.
If sponsorship didn't work then surely we wouldn't have so many betting co's sponsoring football club's etc? As far as GGMI emailing TG it'll be interesting to see what response, if any, he gets as I wonder how advertising an anti gambling charity sits with our main shirt sponsors who are trying to encourage fans to spend their hard earned money on gambling. There's been a few article across the press today regarding the Head of the NHS raising his concerns about gambling in football. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/head-nhs-blames-premier-league-football-teams-fuelling-gambling/
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 6, 2018 20:47:23 GMT
But doesn't addictive personality imply that they can easily be addictive with most things? Being into one thing really badly can be an addiction or obsession about a passion etc. I think that a passion for something is seen as more positive but also would indicate some level of control. An addiction is when you can't stop yourself doing something even if you know it's harmful to you. If someone gets addicted to something that doesn't harm them or others no one notices. Control is the key word. Addiction means you have lost the ability to control yourself in relation to whatever it is you are addicted to. One of the twelve steps requires addicts to admit that they have become totally powerless over their ability to control their addiction. It’s a key step, when having masked addiction by lying to themselves and all around them, the addict admits to having reached rock bottom, from which it can in successful cases then be easier to find the strength within to see a way ahead.
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Post by aghast on Sept 6, 2018 21:25:06 GMT
I think that a passion for something is seen as more positive but also would indicate some level of control. An addiction is when you can't stop yourself doing something even if you know it's harmful to you. If someone gets addicted to something that doesn't harm them or others no one notices. Control is the key word. Addiction means you have lost the ability to control yourself in relation to whatever it is you are addicted to. One of the twelve steps requires addicts to admit that they have become totally powerless over their ability to control their addiction. It’s a key step, when having masked addiction by lying to themselves and all around them, the addict admits to having reached rock bottom, from which it can in successful cases then be easier to find the strength within to see a way ahead. The twelve steps are total bollocks, since it asks God to forgive us and help us in at least six of them. I don't think asking God for help is actually going to achieve much.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 7, 2018 5:07:16 GMT
Control is the key word. Addiction means you have lost the ability to control yourself in relation to whatever it is you are addicted to. One of the twelve steps requires addicts to admit that they have become totally powerless over their ability to control their addiction. It’s a key step, when having masked addiction by lying to themselves and all around them, the addict admits to having reached rock bottom, from which it can in successful cases then be easier to find the strength within to see a way ahead. The twelve steps are total bollocks, since it asks God to forgive us and help us in at least six of them. I don't think asking God for help is actually going to achieve much. They are not complete bollocks. I don't believe in God and have a healthy dislike for organized religion but that doesn't mean you can dismiss something because God is name checked. The general principle of the 12 steps does provide a good framework to help a recovering addict.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 7, 2018 6:13:33 GMT
The twelve steps are total bollocks, since it asks God to forgive us and help us in at least six of them. I don't think asking God for help is actually going to achieve much. They are not complete bollocks. I don't believe in God and have a healthy dislike for organized religion but that doesn't mean you can dismiss something because God is name checked. The general principle of the 12 steps does provide a good framework to help a recovering addict. Good post. Also some that have found faith when they have hit rock bottom have also found it a huge help in enabling them to concquer their addiction. Some people are also in complete denial that they have an addiction or that the recovery process will always start tomorrow because it isn’t that bad.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 7, 2018 12:56:30 GMT
How many times has advertising at the ground made you purchase something? For me, never. If betting interested me I would already be aware of it before I saw any sponsor on a shirt or advertising board.
If sponsorship didn't work then surely we wouldn't have so many betting co's sponsoring football club's etc? As far as GGMI emailing TG it'll be interesting to see what response, if any, he gets as I wonder how advertising an anti gambling charity sits with our main shirt sponsors who are trying to encourage fans to spend their hard earned money on gambling. There's been a few article across the press today regarding the Head of the NHS raising his concerns about gambling in football. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/head-nhs-blames-premier-league-football-teams-fuelling-gambling/
Just playing devils advocate for a moment, where does everyone stand with the club serving alcohol on the premises and having alcohol brands advertised? Surely alcohol is just as bad as gambling, and quite possible in a lot of cases to be the cause of gambling........
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 8, 2018 9:26:34 GMT
Hi All, Have received the below response:
Hi,
Thanks for your email and for sharing the below articles. It is certainly an issue that we are aware of.
I have been in contact with the EFL today regarding the running of a responsible gambling session here at the stadium.
We will be looking to get this organised within the next 6 weeks and will look to have some player and staff involvement in that.
The PFA also offer support in this area for players who need additional support.
All the best,
Tom Gorringe Commercial Director
E: TomGorringe@bristolrovers.co.uk
Bristol Rovers Football Club The Memorial Stadium, Filton Avenue, Bristol, BS7 0BF
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2018 9:28:01 GMT
Hi All, Have received the below response: Hi, Thanks for your email and for sharing the below articles. It is certainly an issue that we are aware of. I have been in contact with the EFL today regarding the running of a responsible gambling session here at the stadium. We will be looking to get this organised within the next 6 weeks and will look to have some player and staff involvement in that. The PFA also offer support in this area for players who need additional support. All the best, Tom Gorringe Commercial Director E: TomGorringe@bristolrovers.co.uk Bristol Rovers Football Club The Memorial Stadium, Filton Avenue, Bristol, BS7 0BF Well done GGMI.
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Post by gasstrictband on Sept 8, 2018 9:53:03 GMT
One of the biggest gamble in life is getting married , not only can you lose your shirt add to that your shoelaces as well.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 8, 2018 10:13:38 GMT
One of the biggest gamble in life is getting married , not only can you lose your shirt add to that your shoelaces as well.
This is why I have never been married, not worth it especially if you have a bit of money.
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 8, 2018 17:55:23 GMT
This is my point though, you are addicted to the game not the service providers.
The advertising is just to get you to use their service rather than their competitors.
Betting is easier these days being online but stopping advertising wont make anyone less aware they can bet online whenever they want so I cant see it making a difference.
Also, where do you stop? Someone's missus could be spending all the family cash on shoes and outfits. Should we stop retail outlets from advertising as well?
Don't get me wrong I feel for people who get themselves into a mess with this, but the problem runs a lot deeper than mere advertising.
A lot of football sponsorship is just product placement and about getting your name known and familiar. Some of the betting ads on TV are really bad and actively encourage people to gamble rather than just making people aware of their products. Totally agree, the latest Irish Paddy Power advert, the one on corners and throw ins for example, what on earth is that about? That type of gambling should be outlawed along with the advertising making it look normal. Who in a sane mind would seriously bet on when the next corner is coming, unless you’re addicted?
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Post by aghast on Sept 8, 2018 21:27:26 GMT
The gambling industry gets away with a lot more than alcohol and tobacco, yet is just as damaging in many ways.
The slogan alone says it all to me.
"When the fun stops, stop".
Translate that to the pub, and it's like Wetherspoons saying "When you're totally watered, best to not have another".
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 9, 2018 2:25:54 GMT
and yet we opened a new bar today. f**k the alcoholics as long as they dont gamble eh?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 24, 2018 17:08:28 GMT
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 24, 2018 17:09:31 GMT
Interesting article. I've had a slight addiction to gambling myself but have always managed to stay in control, luckily. i bet you didn’t
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 24, 2018 18:22:49 GMT
The twelve steps are total bollocks, since it asks God to forgive us and help us in at least six of them. I don't think asking God for help is actually going to achieve much. They are not complete bollocks. I don't believe in God and have a healthy dislike for organized religion but that doesn't mean you can dismiss something because God is name checked. The general principle of the 12 steps does provide a good framework to help a recovering addict. Healthy dislike ? what does that mean, pray tell
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 24, 2018 19:26:51 GMT
They are not complete bollocks. I don't believe in God and have a healthy dislike for organized religion but that doesn't mean you can dismiss something because God is name checked. The general principle of the 12 steps does provide a good framework to help a recovering addict. Healthy dislike ? what does that mean, pray tell I don't like any religion, but I don't take exception to others getting whatever they feel they need from one.
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Post by gastronaut on Sept 25, 2018 6:26:37 GMT
Gambling only pays when your winning. Wanna bet?
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Post by althepirate on Sept 25, 2018 14:12:13 GMT
Imho people are depressed before they start addictive behaviour. I think they need a thrill to take their minds off the pain. The thrill is temporary and gives a high only to be followed by a bigger low than before. So then it's rinse and repeat.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 25, 2018 14:27:29 GMT
Healthy dislike ? what does that mean, pray tell I don't like any religion, but I don't take exception to others getting whatever they feel they need from one. As-Salam-u-Alaikum
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