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Post by faggotygas on Aug 28, 2018 12:22:09 GMT
Our first season in league 1 we did well, probably better than most would had expected. It was noticeable last season that the opposition were beginning to figure us out very quickly and we started to stop and stutter - a tad. We all know that we had no width, a dodgy defensive system and our keeper situation has always failed to flatter - and oddly we still have the same comparative problems? .. So is it lack of funds to bring in better?, poor signings?, a mixture of the two, or the understanding of league 1 football? - Genuine questions, not looking to blame or shoot the people in charge [or the messenger - gulp] but this is the 3rd season and this one has all the failings of the last, and now without a few familiar faces on board ? Is it tactics, back room politics or answers on a postcard to 'Aint got a clue.com' . Keep it constructive people. It's money. At our budget - not bad, not great - signings are pot luck. You have to be really lucky for all of them to come off at the same time. On average, they will be average.
This is the same for all clubs in our position. If someone has some formula that guarantees that all the signings will come off, please share.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 28, 2018 12:35:37 GMT
Our first season in league 1 we did well, probably better than most would had expected. It was noticeable last season that the opposition were beginning to figure us out very quickly and we started to stop and stutter - a tad. We all know that we had no width, a dodgy defensive system and our keeper situation has always failed to flatter - and oddly we still have the same comparative problems? .. So is it lack of funds to bring in better?, poor signings?, a mixture of the two, or the understanding of league 1 football? - Genuine questions, not looking to blame or shoot the people in charge [or the messenger - gulp] but this is the 3rd season and this one has all the failings of the last, and now without a few familiar faces on board ? Is it tactics, back room politics or answers on a postcard to 'Aint got a clue.com' . Keep it constructive people. It's money. At our budget - not bad, not great - signings are pot luck. You have to be really lucky for all of them to come off at the same time. On average, they will be average.
This is the same for all clubs in our position. If someone has some formula that guarantees that all the signings will come off, please share.
We might have a better chance in a year or two...when we're not getting in so many players from outside that have to learn the BRFC way and are instead promoting players from the u23s that have already had at least two years of the DC philosophy under Chris Hargreaves...we just have to make sure the raw material there is appropriate for bolstering the first team squad
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 28, 2018 12:36:54 GMT
It's money. At our budget - not bad, not great - signings are pot luck. You have to be really lucky for all of them to come off at the same time. On average, they will be average.
This is the same for all clubs in our position. If someone has some formula that guarantees that all the signings will come off, please share.
We might have a better chance in a year or two...when we're not getting in so many players from outside that have to learn the BRFC way and are instead promoting players from the u23s that have already had at least two years of the DC philosophy under Chris Hargreaves...we just have to make sure the raw material there is appropriate for bolstering the first team squad I'm a big believer in the 3-4 new players a season formula, including those promoted from within.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 28, 2018 12:38:43 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, I think the issue is that it's a negatively phrased question "but has he reached his limit?, maybe this is as good as he get's? " If you'd asked, "How much further can DC take us?, can DC take us to the championship?" - I think you'd get a better reaction
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 13:35:58 GMT
As others have alluded to its not about dc its about the club. League one is our upper limit barring some one off shrewsbury/burton like promotion challenge. If we did get there it would just be a grim struggle against relegation for one or at most two seasons. I dont think anyone in the football world would be suprised if we got relegated. Lower league team back in the other lower league division again,just normal really to outsiders.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 28, 2018 14:26:06 GMT
Peterborough and Rotherhwm seem to be doing ok with much smaller gates than ours - is it reasonable to ask why?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 28, 2018 14:44:28 GMT
Peterborough and Rotherhwm seem to be doing ok with much smaller gates than ours - is it reasonable to ask why? I wouldn't confuse size of the fanbase with spending power. We all know Rovers got a bigger gate for Alfreton at the Mem than Bournemouth did when sealing promotion to the top flight. Peterborough and Rotherham and Scunthorpe can spend more than us. Bradford who get double our gates but through cheaper tickets and a regime with similar sized pockets have to make do and mend like we do.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 28, 2018 16:01:16 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits. My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1. I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all. No you’re not directly knocking him but by implication and questioning, the impression is given of not trusting him. But you are right it is an open forum and lots of good posts have come out of it. But all these threads are building up a negative picture of DC and creating what may become a major problem as opposed to a poor start to the season. I hope the mods could merge some of these threads. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 16:14:07 GMT
Maybe it's a case of DC has taken us as far as his budget will allow?
Just wait until the money from the sausage rolls starts pouring in.....then we'll see a huge boost to the budge...........oh, hang on.
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Post by Big Jock on Aug 28, 2018 16:52:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 16:56:12 GMT
In April I had quite a long chat with DC at our BRFPA former players dinner. The fire in his eyes was palpable - 'we've got one more promotion in us'. It was very clear he wanted to stay to get that promotion. Doesn't quite answer your question, re can he achieve it (especially now several good players have left), but I totally believe he wants to be here and wants to get us in the Championship. I could look that passionate - doesn’t mean I could deliver it!
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Post by pirate on Aug 28, 2018 17:01:43 GMT
Maybe it's a case of DC has taken us as far as his budget will allow? Just wait until the money from the sausage rolls starts pouring in.....then we'll see a huge boost to the budge...........oh, hang on. Don't forget the new bar, that should bring in enough to pay for a new players wages for a week or two.
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 28, 2018 17:46:51 GMT
Im not sure if he can take us to the championship. But I'm certain there are loads of managers capable of taking us down to the conference...
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 28, 2018 23:18:59 GMT
We haven't had a 'Cosmos Rocks' link for a few weeks
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Post by lpgas on Aug 29, 2018 0:30:43 GMT
The problem is we have gone from a team of players all fighting to either prove they were good enough or to go as high as they can, now we seem to have some journeymen in the club who have been around, and they have nothing to prove. Tony Craig, 5 clubs; Ed Upson 5; Alex Rodman 13 clubs; Kyle Bennett 5, and you can add loans to all of them too. I'm not saying that this is good or bad, but it has changed the profile of our team in a big way
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 1:02:09 GMT
The problem is we have gone from a team of players all fighting to either prove they were good enough or to go as high as they can, now we seem to have some journeymen in the club who have been around, and they have nothing to prove. Tony Craig, 5 clubs; Ed Upson 5; Alex Rodman 13 clubs; Kyle Bennett 5, and you can add loans to all of them too. I'm not saying that this is good or bad, but it has changed the profile of our team in a big way We had mcchrystal,mildenhall,mansell,lines,easter and monkhouse in the conference season all journeymen. When the team are going well their wise old heads and great pro players but when we struggle their journeymen. Total tosh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 1:25:20 GMT
Simple. We've not replaced Taylor and we've not replaced Mildenhall.
Until we do, and with a (probable) mid table budget at best it's getting harder to do so, we cannot progress.
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Post by nailseagashead on Aug 29, 2018 5:41:20 GMT
Just a thought, but two promotions in the basement divisions and mediocre survival in league one.
DC gave us our Rovers back and god bless him for that, but has he reached his limit?, maybe this is as good as he get's?
You could argue he has been let down by those in Box 1 - maybe?
i.e. No Stadium/Training Ground etc etc etc ……...
And yet again, something is wrong at our much loved and long suffering club.
Thoughts - for a honest question
[But who knows a win tonight and again next Saturday and everything could change - 'shout it loud' - I believe .. or not] I don’t think it’s DC that has reached his limit, I think it’s Rovers who have reached theirs. This league isn’t like it once was, we now have big clubs in this division every year, whether it’s been; Leeds, Sunderland, Blackburn, Southampton whoever it is they all have huge fan bases, but more importantly huge income compared to us. Whether it’s being pumped in by the owners or generated through their match day/ non match day experiences. Look at Peterborough, Fleetwood for example, Rovers do not have a cat in hells chance of competing with these clubs regardless of fan base, like DC said, we are 30 years behind these clubs and that is the reason imo anyway that we have found our level. We really were spoilt with back-to-back promotions and now some fans are thinking it’s the norm for us to fly through the leagues.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 29, 2018 5:51:55 GMT
The problem is we have gone from a team of players all fighting to either prove they were good enough or to go as high as they can, now we seem to have some journeymen in the club who have been around, and they have nothing to prove. Tony Craig, 5 clubs; Ed Upson 5; Alex Rodman 13 clubs; Kyle Bennett 5, and you can add loans to all of them too. I'm not saying that this is good or bad, but it has changed the profile of our team in a big way We had mcchrystal,mildenhall,mansell,lines,easter and monkhouse in the conference season all journeymen. When the team are going well their wise old heads and great pro ever players but when we struggle their journeymen. Total tosh. These were all seasoned pros playing in their own most natural positions - arguably the backbone of the team - playing in a division below their 'comfort' zone - I would of expected them to do well - and they did. Even these players were unable to beat any team that finished in the top six of the division we played in (EFL 1 & 2) but they ground out results when it mattered - now we are losing to all teams. The team we have now is a combination of players past their best, playing above their comfort zone, and rank average for the division they are playing in - a recipe for disaster and it's showing. Unfortunately, I fear it's now too late to do anything about it - already it's a season about grinding out results somehow and survival.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 5:52:11 GMT
Just a thought, but two promotions in the basement divisions and mediocre survival in league one.
DC gave us our Rovers back and god bless him for that, but has he reached his limit?, maybe this is as good as he get's?
You could argue he has been let down by those in Box 1 - maybe?
i.e. No Stadium/Training Ground etc etc etc ……...
And yet again, something is wrong at our much loved and long suffering club.
Thoughts - for a honest question
[But who knows a win tonight and again next Saturday and everything could change - 'shout it loud' - I believe .. or not] I don’t think it’s DC that has reached his limit, I think it’s Rovers who have reached theirs. This league isn’t like it once was, we now have big clubs in this division every year, whether it’s been; Leeds, Sunderland, Blackburn, Southampton whoever it is they all have huge fan bases, but more importantly huge income compared to us. Whether it’s being pumped in by the owners or generated through their match day/ non match day experiences. Look at Peterborough, Fleetwood for example, Rovers do not have a cat in hells chance of competing with these clubs regardless of fan base, like DC said, we are 30 years behind these clubs and that is the reason imo anyway that we have found our level. We really were spoilt with back-to-back promotions and now some fans are thinking it’s the norm for us to fly through the leagues. This. Uncomfortable but true.
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