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Post by station on Aug 28, 2018 7:42:48 GMT
Just a thought, but two promotions in the basement divisions and mediocre survival in league one.
DC gave us our Rovers back and god bless him for that, but has he reached his limit?, maybe this is as good as he get's?
You could argue he has been let down by those in Box 1 - maybe?
i.e. No Stadium/Training Ground etc etc etc ……...
And yet again, something is wrong at our much loved and long suffering club.
Thoughts - for a honest question
[But who knows a win tonight and again next Saturday and everything could change - 'shout it loud' - I believe .. or not] |
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 28, 2018 8:00:31 GMT
Not being funny and no disrespect to you , but there are so many posts about dc not being good enough etc , etc it’s getting kind of tedious. If you want to see people’s thoughts on the subject read the various ongoing threads, no need for another one.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 28, 2018 8:06:03 GMT
I believe
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Post by station on Aug 28, 2018 8:34:06 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits.
My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1.
I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 28, 2018 8:36:13 GMT
It is obvious that there was a great expectation from everyone that stadium and training ground projects would go ahead. DC likely expected bigger budgets.
Naturally there is going to be a lot of disappointed people, just like us fans i think that it is now starting to show in the team.
I must say that the management and players are all paid professionals and do need to start performing and playing with some enthusiasm.
I am worried we are in for a scrap if the players don't show more on the pitch. DC also needs to find a system quickly and drop players who really arent doing it. Already could name a few.
I believe in DC, every interview at least he shows passion for the club and desire i expect from the players.
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2018 8:38:55 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits. My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1. I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all. Every club has a ceiling that is the highest they can reach. Looking at our budget, stadium and facilities mid table / play off push is our ceiling. DC has got us there, can he take us higher ? Can anyone ? Who knows but it’s unlikely . |
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 28, 2018 8:58:28 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits. My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1. I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all. Free speech open forum and all , totally get what you’re saying , but starting another post about dc or what box 1 are doing / not doing is just more repetitive posts , I just feel you may as well just comment on the various other threads that’s all , just my opinion. |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 28, 2018 9:24:59 GMT
Just a thought, but two promotions in the basement divisions and mediocre survival in league one.
DC gave us our Rovers back and god bless him for that, but has he reached his limit?, maybe this is as good as he get's?
You could argue he has been let down by those in Box 1 - maybe?
i.e. No Stadium/Training Ground etc etc etc ……...
And yet again, something is wrong at our much loved and long suffering club.
Thoughts - for a honest question
[But who knows a win tonight and again next Saturday and everything could change - 'shout it loud' - I believe .. or not] I think it's more that this is Rovers' current limit, rather than Darrell's.
Over time the only way you can (almost) guarantee a top 6 finish is to blow everyone else out of the water, budget wise. Below that, you might be lucky, you might not, and your chances are not any different to any other team with a similar budget, over time.
Perhaps it's difference experiences. Since I start regularly attending at matches in the early 2000's, we've spent a lot more time at the bottom end of League 2 than where we are now, so in the knowledge that nothing much else has changed at the club to improve out finances significantly compared to our peers, I'm perfectly happy with where we are.
Others seem to believe we have a God-given right to Championship football, and any manager that doesn't deliver it must be a failure. I don't see any evidence for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 9:43:39 GMT
It is obvious that there was a great expectation from everyone that stadium and training ground projects would go ahead. DC likely expected bigger budgets. Naturally there is going to be a lot of disappointed people, just like us fans i think that it is now starting to show in the team. I must say that the management and players are all paid professionals and do need to start performing and playing with some enthusiasm. I am worried we are in for a scrap if the players don't show more on the pitch. DC also needs to find a system quickly and drop players who really arent doing it. Already could name a few. I believe in DC, every interview at least he shows passion for the club and desire i expect from the players. Remember when he told us he would only have players who wanted to play for the club and put in the effort expected? Whatever happened to that philosophy? |
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Post by simonj on Aug 28, 2018 9:47:12 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits. My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1. I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all. Every club has a ceiling that is the highest they can reach. Looking at our budget, stadium and facilities mid table / play off push is our ceiling. DC has got us there, can he take us higher ? Can anyone ? Who knows but it’s unlikely . Most clubs do have a ceiling, but some do better when things come together. Look at Bournemouth who were very patient with their young English manager, still only 10,000 capacity (albeit now in seats). Burton Albion, Rotherham and quite a few teams 'smaller' than us have gotten to Championship and been competitive, mainly through spirit of together, instead of spirit of over expectation and constant moaning and criticism.
Somehow we now have an expectation, thinking the owners aren't investing enough or properly, the manager is at his limit, the players aren't good enough and so on. Despite this, a very recent example is Ellis, who proved that despite the attitude of many there is a bigger picture. I hope a number of our own fans do not succeed and drive out our promising young manager and his team, or allow the new owners to reveal and deliver or to pass on the club to somebody else properly.
Saturday's performance was dreadful, I have seen worse. I expect DC and all to turn this around, it would be really nice, but not expected, that we all get behind and realise we have someone who is talented and cares.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 28, 2018 9:54:00 GMT
Where do Managers who criticise those above them and don't get satisfactory results end up? There are some things that should remain behind closed doors and the only "leaks" within the club are now coming from one person.Whilst I hope DC can take us further but I have my doubts given the above.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 28, 2018 9:58:12 GMT
Every club has a ceiling that is the highest they can reach. Looking at our budget, stadium and facilities mid table / play off push is our ceiling. DC has got us there, can he take us higher ? Can anyone ? Who knows but it’s unlikely . Most clubs do have a ceiling, but some do better when things come together. Look at Bournemouth who were very patient with their young English manager, still only 10,000 capacity (albeit now in seats). Burton Albion, Rotherham and quite a few teams 'smaller' than us have gotten to Championship and been competitive, mainly through spirit of together, instead of spirit of over expectation and constant moaning and criticism.
Somehow we now have an expectation, thinking the owners aren't investing enough or properly, the manager is at his limit, the players aren't good enough and so on. Despite this, a very recent example is Ellis, who proved that despite the attitude of many there is a bigger picture. I hope a number of our own fans do not succeed and drive out our promising young manager and his team, or allow the new owners to reveal and deliver or to pass on the club to somebody else properly.
Saturday's performance was dreadful, I have seen worse. I expect DC and all to turn this around, it would be really nice, but not expected, that we all get behind and realise we have someone who is talented and cares.
Bournemouth didn't get to the Premier League through 'spirit', they bought their way there. They exceeded their FFP limits in the year the were promoted and were fined by the Football League, after posting a loss of £39.4m.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 28, 2018 10:30:29 GMT
Try winning a grand prix in a Ford Focus and see how you get on
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Post by simonj on Aug 28, 2018 10:40:08 GMT
Most clubs do have a ceiling, but some do better when things come together. Look at Bournemouth who were very patient with their young English manager, still only 10,000 capacity (albeit now in seats). Burton Albion, Rotherham and quite a few teams 'smaller' than us have gotten to Championship and been competitive, mainly through spirit of together, instead of spirit of over expectation and constant moaning and criticism.
Somehow we now have an expectation, thinking the owners aren't investing enough or properly, the manager is at his limit, the players aren't good enough and so on. Despite this, a very recent example is Ellis, who proved that despite the attitude of many there is a bigger picture. I hope a number of our own fans do not succeed and drive out our promising young manager and his team, or allow the new owners to reveal and deliver or to pass on the club to somebody else properly.
Saturday's performance was dreadful, I have seen worse. I expect DC and all to turn this around, it would be really nice, but not expected, that we all get behind and realise we have someone who is talented and cares.
Bournemouth didn't get to the Premier League through 'spirit', they bought their way there. They exceeded their FFP limits in the year the were promoted and were fined by the Football League, after posting a loss of £39.4m.
I didn't mention the Premier League. |
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Post by pirate49 on Aug 28, 2018 10:51:26 GMT
I take your point Okebourne but it is a honest question, if you read my post, I am not directly knocking him, I am asking a honest question, and maybe it is the answer, just maybe DC has reached his limit - I hope not, as like many others I love the guy to bits. My own honest opinion is that the problem lays at the feet of the smoke & mirror brigade in Box 1. I am making a constructive point that everyone has their limits, but accept that maybe the issue might not be all his - free speech open forum and all. Every club has a ceiling that is the highest they can reach. Looking at our budget, stadium and facilities mid table / play off push is our ceiling. DC has got us there, can he take us higher ? Can anyone ? Who knows but it’s unlikely . Realism is alive and kicking! An honest appraisal of our club. Look at our history, look at our local rival and, as you say, our budget, stadium and facilities. There's nothing wrong in aspiration, targets, dreams, hopes etc.; but the reality is the best we will probably achieve is being a Championship/League One yoyo club. In the meantime what keeps me going is seeing a brand of football which makes us glad we went to the match, 100% effort and showing no sign of slipping back into League Two.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 28, 2018 10:53:12 GMT
Two promotions may be our limit, but certainly not his. For us to get another one on current resources we'd need a "perfect storm type of season like Shrewsbury nearly just had. Browner and Ellis could both see that was unlikely this year and tried their luck elsewhere. DC now has to mould his philosophy and and work ethic on a squad where we might think it's been relatively stable but actually between a quarter and a third are now new faces with less than half a season in the building. It's a sluggish start but I don't see this team staying in the basement of the division all season...just that they might not overachieve that top six spot we all want.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 28, 2018 11:57:18 GMT
It is obvious that there was a great expectation from everyone that stadium and training ground projects would go ahead. DC likely expected bigger budgets. Naturally there is going to be a lot of disappointed people, just like us fans i think that it is now starting to show in the team. I must say that the management and players are all paid professionals and do need to start performing and playing with some enthusiasm. I am worried we are in for a scrap if the players don't show more on the pitch. DC also needs to find a system quickly and drop players who really arent doing it. Already could name a few. I believe in DC, every interview at least he shows passion for the club and desire i expect from the players. Remember when he told us he would only have players who wanted to play for the club and put in the effort expected? Whatever happened to that philosophy? Do you have any evidence to suggest that this is no longer the case?
You and others have mentioned Bakayoko in this context - a player we didn't even sign.
I see plenty of evidence that his recent signings still fit the criteria, even if performance has fallen short in the Accrington and Southend games with some.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 28, 2018 12:15:49 GMT
Bournemouth didn't get to the Premier League through 'spirit', they bought their way there. They exceeded their FFP limits in the year the were promoted and were fined by the Football League, after posting a loss of £39.4m.
I didn't mention the Premier League. You mentioned a Premier League club though |
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Post by station on Aug 28, 2018 12:15:58 GMT
Our first season in league 1 we did well, probably better than most would had expected.
It was noticeable last season that the opposition were beginning to figure us out very quickly and we started to stop and stutter - a tad.
We all know that we had no width, a dodgy defensive system and our keeper situation has always failed to flatter - and oddly we still have the same comparative problems? .. So is it lack of funds to bring in better?, poor signings?, a mixture of the two, or the understanding of league 1 football? - Genuine questions, not looking to blame or shoot the people in charge [or the messenger - gulp] but this is the 3rd season and this one has all the failings of the last, and now without a few familiar faces on board ? Is it tactics, back room politics or answers on a postcard to 'Aint got a clue.com' .
Keep it constructive people.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 28, 2018 12:20:47 GMT
In April I had quite a long chat with DC at our BRFPA former players dinner.
The fire in his eyes was palpable - 'we've got one more promotion in us'.
It was very clear he wanted to stay to get that promotion.
Doesn't quite answer your question, re can he achieve it (especially now several good players have left), but I totally believe he wants to be here and wants to get us in the Championship.
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