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Post by badengas on Sept 4, 2018 20:31:03 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? Who gives a sh** about a kid who chooses to support a team just because they are successful ? Did anyone on here choose the Gas because of our league position or fantastic playing success ?
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Post by keygas on Sept 4, 2018 20:45:18 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? When City reached the old 1st division in the Alan Dicks era did everyone stop following rovers? I think not. Igree they would be a much more attractive propasition but with the price of premiership football & fact that the majority of the ground would be filled with season ticket holders the only chance kids may have of seeing live football might be Rovers.
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Post by Big Jock on Sept 4, 2018 20:46:38 GMT
Has ta agree with a lot of this.
Most young uns are gonna be attracted ta th higher level team/better standard an th better equipped stadia. An tbh who th chuffk can blame them!
Family traditions will hold onta a few of course. So we'll survive like we alwaes has.
I actually think some of our older fans like us being rag bag, they like th underdog tag, th sh!tty ground etc, i think some like th acessability ta th players, th easy parking etc that comes with a diddy club.
I think our apathy even holds us back sometimes, sad really cause i genuinely elieve we could be a solid championship club.
No disrespect intented. We all are what we are.
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Post by Okebournegas on Sept 4, 2018 21:28:55 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? Who gives a sh** about a kid who chooses to support a team just because they are successful ? Did anyone on here choose the Gas because of our league position or fantastic playing success ? [br Wrong attitude , surely you should want more kids to support the gas to protect the longevity of the club ? Whether you like it or not the kids are important for the future of our club and the longer we stagnate in our sh**ty little ground the more young fans we risk losing , people forget that football has moved on so much , yet we seem to still be stuck in the past. The sooner we get something moving with a new stadium the better , but I have a feeling I’ll be saying this for more years to come.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 4, 2018 21:35:16 GMT
FB have a City chant of when they defeated Blackburn last week with the name ROVERS much in evidence.We do need to hang in there to hope one day we will go above them .It is quite witty but their club doesn't have the same warmth and camaraderie we have.One day........
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Post by justin blue on Sept 4, 2018 22:34:51 GMT
This thread has resonated with me more than any I have read for years. This is not moaning it is voicing concern fans are worried that we are falling so far behind and not just compared to the 82ers, clubs we had never heard of 30 years ago are overtaking us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 22:42:30 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? I guess the same sort of kid who supports Tranmere Rovers with Liverpool and Everton just a ferry away?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 4, 2018 23:09:52 GMT
I think a lot of the moaning all comes down to the stadium... or lack of. It’s like a little lad being promised in June he’ll get a new scalextric set for Christmas only to wake up Xmas morning to find you’ve been given just a second hand matchbox car. Repeat yr after yr. To top it off the kid down the road you hate has got the present that you wanted and gloats constantly, What, the fat, gobby, inbred kid?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 6:20:44 GMT
I think a lot of the moaning all comes down to the stadium... or lack of. It’s like a little lad being promised in June he’ll get a new scalextric set for Christmas only to wake up Xmas morning to find you’ve been given just a second hand matchbox car. Repeat yr after yr. To top it off the kid down the road you hate has got the present that you wanted and gloats constantly, What, the fat, gobby, inbred kid? Baggins?
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 5, 2018 6:33:33 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? I guess the same sort of kid who supports Tranmere Rovers with Liverpool and Everton just a ferry away? Well, exactly. Or Port Vale rather than Stoke. Notts County rather than Forest. Orient rather than West Ham.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 5, 2018 7:30:15 GMT
I guess the same sort of kid who supports Tranmere Rovers with Liverpool and Everton just a ferry away? Well, exactly. Or Port Vale rather than Stoke. Notts County rather than Forest. Orient rather than West Ham.
So not many then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 7:49:07 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them?£85 to watch Spurs, £20 to watch the Rovers economics will drive who can watch Premier league football soon £85? An adult can get a spurs v Liverpool seats ticket at Wembley for £35. A Rovers v Plymouth ticket to stand on the blackthorn is £20. You gave a very selective comparison. Watching City at their modern state of the art stadium costs £23 member £28 non member for championship football. To sit in the Tent costs £24 for League one games. Lol. Wakey, wakey people.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 5, 2018 7:56:02 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? I agree with most apart from the second sentence, i think we will always exist, in what capacity might be the real question. Problems for me are: 1. Gulf between City and Rovers is bigger than its ever been. 2. Past owners always limped us by and kept us in the dark. The new owners do the same and sometimes outright lie to us. At Twerton we were an open book and in it with our owners. 3. We are fed up with being ragbag and we deserve better. City have always been the bigger club, with more money, the bigger ground except they always underachieved for all the assets they had. They have made the premier league before in its old guise as the first division and we didn't go bust then. However they have now put a gulf between us that we really need to close. To be fair to the City, they have moved with the times. They have built or remodelled their ground over the years to suit the needs and requirements of the time they live in. In my time they built the Ateyo stand, remodelled the Dolman, Williams and East stand to make it all seater and then the current incarnation of AG now. Their training ground is set up to pull in better youngsters than we can, make a better base for staff and players and Lansdown noticed the need for a facility long before we did, we were happy renting army bases and sub standard sports grounds. We haven't done any of the above. Perhaps not for the want of trying, but also we have never made it succeed. Its not about competing with City, or making them our focus, but in a 2 football team City, if you can compete with your local rival then iron sharpens iron. Our owners would really see what it would mean to lead BRFC against them. Can you imagine a championship match now. It would be tasty! Tom Gorringe and I had a chat a few months back where he told me that the average person that watches Rovers is a 40 something year old male and that he wanted to introduce a female contingent and bring the average age down of persons to 20 something. To do that we need a better "experience" of football matches, that means that we have to close the gulf to City off the field. I said months ago after the UWE fell through we needed a plan in place within 6 months that we put to planning and we can build within 3 years that has to happen. Everything that he wants to achieve won't be done without a new ground and if it continues at the same rate, and with no new stadium either built or being built, by 2022 we could be in real trouble financially and for grabbing new fans.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 5, 2018 7:58:19 GMT
I understand and respect the views expressed by the OP but someone needs speak up for those of us who may well be classed as moaners but who in fact think and care deeply about the way the club has declined during our lifetime. In the early Twerton years I was fortunate to be close to the centre of the club and was able to witness first hand how the business was run. We are all aware of the contribution Denis and Geoff made but should not forget the other board members or those who were completely out of the limelight but still played an important part in keeping the club afloat and building the springboard from which we achieved promotion to the second tier in 1990 and were eventually to return to a home in Bristol. From this vantage point I am able to vividly discern the striking contrast between the way Denis ran the club and the way Nick Higgs ran it and now Wael appears to be running it. It is hard to put it into words but I think the main difference is that Denis and his team sincerely believed it was a privilege to have the responsibility of owning Bristol Rovers, they took the job seriously and they felt a personal obligation to do their very best for the club. I was a big critic of Nick Higgs because I think he came to believe that we were lucky to have him as the owner and that rather than listen and learn the technique of running a football club he preferred to rely on bluster which eventually backfired on him. Wael also I feel has approached his ownership from the perspective of us being lucky to have him rather than the other way round. Like Nick he becomes tetchy when criticised and does not see the need to get his act together and communicate with us in a polished and businesslike way. There is one striking example of what I am talking about in a video clip which surfaced a few months ago and which I hope someone can find and put up again on here. It was part of a documentary made around 1987 and showed Geoff arriving at the Hambrook training ground in his Porsche to be greeted by Vernon Stokes. Vernon is carrying some papers which he is going to present to a board meeting and the film segment ends with him striding purposefully away accompanied by Geoff. I can’t tell you what Vernon presented to the board that day but what I do know for sure is that he would have spent time and trouble getting his facts together and he would have made his presentation in a forceful and passionate way because he cared deeply about Rovers. Working like this illustrates an attitude of mind which is timeless and so, although we are apparently in the digital age of social media, the same principles apply today just as much as they did then. And if you want to earn success you need to apply those principles. If fans are unhappy is it because we have unrealistic expectations and aspirations or is it because we are lacking in leadership ? If we are in the age of social media shouldn’t our leaders be using that to enhance the fans perception of the club and encouraging us to follow their vision instead of complaining that we don’t understand them ? Are we sure that our leaders are really putting in the time and effort to do their jobs to the best of their ability or are they just going through the motions because, after all, the club is lucky to have them ? When you get a chance take a look at that clip and see Vernon striding purposefully towards a meeting where he would present his facts and figures in a forceful and passionate way because he cared deeply about Rovers. Ask yourselves whether you truly believe our leaders are doing the same today. What a fantastic post.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 8:00:04 GMT
30 years ago we could compete with the Teds. In 30 years time, unless things change at Rovers we won't exist. If they make it to the Prem before we even put a portacabin on our field we are f**ked. What kid is going to chose us over them? When City reached the old 1st division in the Alan Dicks era did everyone stop following rovers? I think not. Igree they would be a much more attractive propasition but with the price of premiership football & fact that the majority of the ground would be filled with season ticket holders the only chance kids may have of seeing live football might be Rovers. I think you would be surprised at the amount of Rovers who did either switch to watch City with mates or actually watch both Rovers and City, if only to watch watch the big teams of the time. As the years pass by our situation is fast becoming a Stoke /Port vale, Notts Forest/ County situation but at least those two poor relations have decent Stadiums.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 5, 2018 8:17:55 GMT
£85 to watch Spurs, £20 to watch the Rovers economics will drive who can watch Premier league football soon £85? An adult can get a spurs v Liverpool seats ticket at Wembley for £35. A Rovers v Plymouth ticket to stand on the blackthorn is £20. You gave a very selective comparison. Watching City at their modern state of the art stadium costs £23 member £28 non member for championship football. To sit in the Tent costs £24 for League one games. Lol. Wakey, wakey people. £85 was quoted to me by a Spurs season ticket Holder for the new stadium. I have no interest in plastic football and i hope to never see rovers in the same situation www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5490641/Tottenham-Hotspur-reveal-season-ticket-prices-new-stadium.html
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 5, 2018 8:42:13 GMT
When I was in my later teens, I used to go to Twerton to watch the Rovers. Me and my mates used to meet at the Carpenters Arms for a few then drive, I mean get a cab, to Bath have a few more and watch the Gas. Win or lose, rain or shine. We won some lost some, that's football. We sang and cheered and dometimes had a scuffle after all, we were young. But it was the highlight of thr week. We would spend the week chatting about the game and the result we hoped for. When did it turn into expecting so much, hating so much ? I don't understand. We've never had much have we ? in fact, the past few Years have been some of the best but because of a foreign owner so much is expected. It seems like a lot of forum members don't like Rovers and when I say Rovers if means everything. Why go then ? To moan and criticise ? I try to be light hearted on here but there is so much sh**. Yes I know we fans have the right to complain but we take it to the next level. We moan about everything. We talk about the spirit of the past but it's our spirit that's changed as I believe the club and players are trying. For years we've lived in hope of getting a new stadium, first there was the Mem re-development then the UWE but now there seems little hope we'll ever get a new stadium meanwhile "small" club's like Shrewsbury & Burton have new stadiums and the 82er's have completely re-developed AG. It seems we're going to suffer a slow death if something doesn't happen with the ground plans soon. As far as players trying, surely Upson, Nichols & Rodman can't be as poor as they were at Shrewsbury if they were actually trying? I felt the same as you. Years of Twerton, then watching the sh** get more success and I was guilty if thinking that we'd hit the jackpot with the new owners but the hunger for instant success and wanting to be be a bigger club than the sh** is turning us into a moaning bitter bunch of lady gardens
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 8:49:05 GMT
£85? An adult can get a spurs v Liverpool seats ticket at Wembley for £35. A Rovers v Plymouth ticket to stand on the blackthorn is £20. You gave a very selective comparison. Watching City at their modern state of the art stadium costs £23 member £28 non member for championship football. To sit in the Tent costs £24 for League one games. Lol. Wakey, wakey people. £85 was quoted to me by a Spurs season ticket Holder for the new stadium. I have no interest in plastic football and i hope to never see rovers in the same situation www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5490641/Tottenham-Hotspur-reveal-season-ticket-prices-new-stadium.html Obviously there are cheaper seats. And you do not want to see Rovers reach the pinnacle of English football? What is the point then?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 5, 2018 8:49:09 GMT
For years we've lived in hope of getting a new stadium, first there was the Mem re-development then the UWE but now there seems little hope we'll ever get a new stadium meanwhile "small" club's like Shrewsbury & Burton have new stadiums and the 82er's have completely re-developed AG. It seems we're going to suffer a slow death if something doesn't happen with the ground plans soon. As far as players trying, surely Upson, Nichols & Rodman can't be as poor as they were at Shrewsbury if they were actually trying? I felt the same as you. Years of Twerton, then watching the sh** get more success and I was guilty if thinking that we'd hit the jackpot with the new owners but the hunger for instant success and wanting to be be a bigger club than the sh** is turning us into a moaning bitter bunch of lady gardens Hard to make a case against that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 8:51:42 GMT
For years we've lived in hope of getting a new stadium, first there was the Mem re-development then the UWE but now there seems little hope we'll ever get a new stadium meanwhile "small" club's like Shrewsbury & Burton have new stadiums and the 82er's have completely re-developed AG. It seems we're going to suffer a slow death if something doesn't happen with the ground plans soon. As far as players trying, surely Upson, Nichols & Rodman can't be as poor as they were at Shrewsbury if they were actually trying? I felt the same as you. Years of Twerton, then watching the sh** get more success and I was guilty if thinking that we'd hit the jackpot with the new owners but the hunger for instant success and wanting to be be a bigger club than the sh** is turning us into a moaning bitter bunch of lady gardens It's not instant success that the majority of fans want. We support Bristol Rovers so I think that the majority of fans are pretty realistic with their expectations. I don't necessarily want Rovers to be bigger than the sh1t. What I want is a football club that at least progresses with the times. I want a football club that will still be in the football league in 30 years time. As things stand, I do not believe either of these things will happen. It's not moaning either. It's just demonstrating a real worry that unless things change there will not be a Bristol Rovers Football Club to support in the future.
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