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Post by blueridge on Sept 7, 2018 17:42:38 GMT
Genuine question: is there any point in having a Development Squad? Personally I feel that DC is not giving a chance to the few young players that have potential at the club. Michael Kelly is a classic example - surely he should have been given the chance of a run a full back whilst THD gets back to match fitness rather than sign a player out of favour at a second division club. The money spent on this player could have been much better spent elsewhere - is DC losing the plot?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 7, 2018 17:54:53 GMT
Kelly got tore apart by Yeovil's winger pre-season, not sure DC could take the risk of not signing an experienced LB, I assume tomorrow either TC or JC will start at LB over Kelly. I guess we'll know tomorrow at around 3:30pm whether DC's losing the plot or not!
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 7, 2018 17:56:44 GMT
Looking at the squads for the matches so far this season it's hard to see any youngster even sitting on the bench. It's all very well building up the Academy and having a Development squad but I don't see them providing Value For Money. The younger sides may, altruistically, be seen as a 'good thing', but if at the end of the process places in the first team squad are going to be taken by signings from Stevenage and loanees there doesn't seem to be any point. In education OFSTED home in, rightly or wrongly, on results; and don't want to know about all the wonderful things which may be going on behind the scenes. We may have teams for the youngsters, a burgeoning backroom staff, and more coaches than Peter Carol; but if the results and performances are not improving then something's not right.
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Post by spiess1 on Sept 7, 2018 18:05:02 GMT
No value in Ellis, Tom, Ollie, for example, then?
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Post by keygas on Sept 7, 2018 18:08:01 GMT
Genuine question: is there any point in having a Development Squad? Personally I feel that DC is not giving a chance to the few young players that have potential at the club. Mathew Kelly is a classic example - surely he should have been given the chance of a run a full back whilst THD gets back to match fitness rather than sign a player out of favour at a second division club. The money spent on this player could have been much better spent elsewhere - is DC losing the plot? People used to question the amount of money city spend on their academy but during the summer they just sold two of their ex academy lads (Ried & Bryant) for around 15 million so as well as hopefully producing first teams players the development Squad could also bring financial rewards in the future.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 7, 2018 18:12:27 GMT
Kelly got tore apart by Yeovil's winger pre-season, not sure DC could take the risk of not signing an experienced LB, I assume tomorrow either TC or JC will start at LB over Kelly. I guess we'll know tomorrow at around 3:30pm whether DC's losing the plot or not! But arguably if he is one of our better Development Squad players it doesn't say much for the rest. I'll stand corrected but wasn't the Development Squad and The Acadamy set up when the owners had delusions of grandeur regarding an 'all singing- all dancing' state of the art training facility' which now seems like a pipe dream. I haven't the faintest idea how much it costs to run the Development Squad and Acadamy but if it's not delivering, what's the point of having it? Money could much be better spent elsewhere - perhaps on the first team.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 7, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
Kelly got tore apart by Yeovil's winger pre-season, not sure DC could take the risk of not signing an experienced LB, I assume tomorrow either TC or JC will start at LB over Kelly. I guess we'll know tomorrow at around 3:30pm whether DC's losing the plot or not! Is that the same James Clarke who got an absolute roasting at QPR and Tony Craig who was a decent left back at the new Den but no longer has the legs, I would pick Michael Kelly every time over the other two. Why have a U23 side if it’s not to feed the first team?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 18:28:49 GMT
Kelly got tore apart by Yeovil's winger pre-season, not sure DC could take the risk of not signing an experienced LB, I assume tomorrow either TC or JC will start at LB over Kelly. I guess we'll know tomorrow at around 3:30pm whether DC's losing the plot or not! But arguably if he is one of our better Development Squad players it doesn't say much for the rest. I'll stand corrected but wasn't the Development Squad and The Acadamy set up when the owners had delusions of grandeur regarding an 'all singing- all dancing' state of the art training facility' which now seems like a pipe dream. I haven't the faintest idea how much it costs to run the Development Squad and Acadamy but if it's not delivering, what's the point of having it? Money could much be better spent elsewhere - perhaps on the first team. At the last AGM it was stated that the Development Team costs around 300k per year to run. To put that into context, it costs around 250k per year for the London Office.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 7, 2018 18:35:18 GMT
I get that people want to see the development team feed players into the first team but aren't we forgetting it's only a year old ? If players signed initially for the development team were good enough to be 1st team regulars surely they'd be 1st team players anyway ? I think it will take a bit of time to see the benefits, if over the next 2 or 3 years we're producing regular 1st players then imo it's worth the investment
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Post by blueridge on Sept 7, 2018 18:44:32 GMT
But arguably if he is one of our better Development Squad players it doesn't say much for the rest. I'll stand corrected but wasn't the Development Squad and The Acadamy set up when the owners had delusions of grandeur regarding an 'all singing- all dancing' state of the art training facility' which now seems like a pipe dream. I haven't the faintest idea how much it costs to run the Development Squad and Acadamy but if it's not delivering, what's the point of having it? Money could much be better spent elsewhere - perhaps on the first team. At the last AGM it was stated that the Development Team costs around 300k per year to run. To put that into context, it costs around 250k per year for the London Office. Hopefully the £250k is not to the account of BRFC but to Dwane Developments a totally separate Company to the Company that owns us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 19:55:51 GMT
At the last AGM it was stated that the Development Team costs around 300k per year to run. To put that into context, it costs around 250k per year for the London Office. Hopefully the £250k is not to the account of BRFC but to Dwane Developments a totally separate Company to the Company that owns us. I don't know the ins or outs of it, but if it was discussed/mentioned at the AGM then I'm pretty sure it is the football club that pays for it.
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 7, 2018 20:03:23 GMT
No value in Ellis, Tom, Ollie, for example, then? Ellis and Ollie made their debuts at the end of the 2010/11 season. Tom in 2013.
Since then....................?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 7, 2018 20:23:14 GMT
Looking at the squads for the matches so far this season it's hard to see any youngster even sitting on the bench. It's all very well building up the Academy and having a Development squad but I don't see them providing Value For Money. The younger sides may, altruistically, be seen as a 'good thing', but if at the end of the process places in the first team squad are going to be taken by signings from Stevenage and loanees there doesn't seem to be any point. In education OFSTED home in, rightly or wrongly, on results; and don't want to know about all the wonderful things which may be going on behind the scenes. We may have teams for the youngsters, a burgeoning backroom staff, and more coaches than Peter Carol; but if the results and performances are not improving then something's not right. I get the frustration but I guess the development squad needs time so that the players can develop! If we are getting players from the development squad getting a place in the match day squad by the end of the season, which would be less than two years after it started, then I would think that was success. UTG! ps. Blimey I don’t expect to get reminded of OFSTED on a Rovers forum. I did 6 of them as a Head so don’t want to be reminded!!!😉
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 7, 2018 22:00:01 GMT
Looking at the squads for the matches so far this season it's hard to see any youngster even sitting on the bench. It's all very well building up the Academy and having a Development squad but I don't see them providing Value For Money. The younger sides may, altruistically, be seen as a 'good thing', but if at the end of the process places in the first team squad are going to be taken by signings from Stevenage and loanees there doesn't seem to be any point. In education OFSTED home in, rightly or wrongly, on results; and don't want to know about all the wonderful things which may be going on behind the scenes. We may have teams for the youngsters, a burgeoning backroom staff, and more coaches than Peter Carol; but if the results and performances are not improving then something's not right. Under 21 player's don't count towards SMCP. Players on short term contracts, don't either. Plus they are on little money. So I doubt the squad take away too much of the budget, from the first team.
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 7, 2018 22:34:32 GMT
Development Squad for match on 23 January 2018 (the furthest back I could find): Rovers XI: Sam Slocombe, Alfie Kilgour, Michael Kelly, Connor Jones (Lewis Leigh-Gilchrist, 45), Trialist (Josh Bailey, 72), Rollin Menayese, Bernard Mensah (Kenan Dunnwald-Turan, 58), Luke Russe, Dom Telford, Cameron Hargreaves, Byron Moore (Rhys Kavanagh, 72). Unused sub: Andre Alexis (GK). So who's breaking through?! (Wareham...6!...you must be a sucker for punishment...why didn't you just get Outstanding then they leave you alone?! )
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Post by Cantankerous Gas on Sept 7, 2018 23:46:23 GMT
Genuine question: is there any point in having a Development Squad? Personally I feel that DC is not giving a chance to the few young players that have potential at the club. Mathew Kelly is a classic example - surely he should have been given the chance of a run a full back whilst THD gets back to match fitness rather than sign a player out of favour at a second division club. The money spent on this player could have been much better spent elsewhere - is DC losing the plot? Tonight Matthew I'm going to be Chris de Burgh.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 8, 2018 8:57:24 GMT
Also what happened to Luke Russe? had a decent game against MK Dons and then hardly gets a look in despite O.Clarke being off-form.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 9:20:30 GMT
Development Squad for match on 23 January 2018 (the furthest back I could find): Rovers XI: Sam Slocombe, Alfie Kilgour, Michael Kelly, Connor Jones (Lewis Leigh-Gilchrist, 45), Trialist (Josh Bailey, 72), Rollin Menayese, Bernard Mensah (Kenan Dunnwald-Turan, 58), Luke Russe, Dom Telford, Cameron Hargreaves, Byron Moore (Rhys Kavanagh, 72). Unused sub: Andre Alexis (GK). So who's breaking through?! (Wareham...6!...you must be a sucker for punishment...why didn't you just get Outstanding then they leave you alone?! ) Thats misleading though as its a unusually strong team put out on a certain game. Why do people do that sort of thing to make their argument stand up?
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 8, 2018 9:22:04 GMT
Also what happened to Luke Russe? had a decent game against MK Dons and then hardly gets a look in despite O.Clarke being off-form. We signed Upson during the summer as well. Think that money could have been used on a centre back. Like you say, we have Russe, plus Sinclair to come back. Sercombe can play in the when fit and Partington.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 8, 2018 9:25:23 GMT
Also what happened to Luke Russe? had a decent game against MK Dons and then hardly gets a look in despite O.Clarke being off-form. We signed Upson during the summer as well. Think that money could have been used on a centre back. Like you say, we have Russe, plus Sinclair to come back. Sercombe can play in the when fit and Partington.
It just seems a bit demoralising for youngsters like Russe and Kelly who get a debut, play well then out of the team for the next game.
Sometimes I wonder If its done just to try and prove there is worth in having a development squad.
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