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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2018 12:35:15 GMT
We are in exactly the same position as we were 8 years ago. The first sign of trouble with Paul Trollope, issues with the board and the supporters turned on the manager thinking we could do better than what we currently had. We started speculating about better managers who would take us to the next level because our fan base was so amazing at 6/7k at home. So after so much pressure we sacked Trollope and we’re blessed with quality managers such as: Darren Patterson - 2 games, won 0, drawn 0, lost 2. 0% win rate Dave Penney - 13 games, won 2, drawn 2, lost 9. 15.4% win rate Stuart Campbell - 12 games, won 4, drawn 3, lost 5. 33.3% win rate League 2 Paul buckle - 29 games, won 8, drawn 6, lost 15. 27.5% win rate. (Who else remembers being told promotion was too ambitious) Mark McGhee - 45 games, won 12, drawn 12, lost 21. 26.6% win rate John Ward - 69 games, won 24, drew 21, lost 21. 34.7% win rate DC - 231 games, Won 100, drawn 77, lost 77. Win rate 43.3% Now DC is in exactly the same position was Trollope was 8 years ago. However thinks DC should go, what did you watch over the past 8 years that makes you think it would be a good idea to get rid of him? I’m not happy about current results, nobody is, but look at the bigger picture, remember it’s only October, and I love the loyalty this man has shown us. It’s about time we showed him the same, not point the blame the first sign of gunfire. And again not so much on here, but the idiots who know about f all about football on social media need to be called out and we need to start showing a bit of unity Cracking post. If only everyone was as sensible and reasoned as yourself! So far the big difference is that we're not getting trashed in the 5 league games before PT was sacked we let in 6 goals at Sheff W, 3 at Orient & 3 at Plymuff then we lost to non league Darlington in the FA Cup, we were a sinking ship when PT went, I don't think we are yet under DC. As a win on Saturday would have taken us to 15th with another winnable looking game at Burton up next followed by two similar looking home games. As it is we're 4th from bottom and Walsall are just 2 pts off second!! Our next 3 league games could decide DC's fate as we need to win at least one of them.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 8, 2018 16:40:44 GMT
Exactly the above.
No one has rolled us over apart from P’boro who are top of the league. It’s all be 1-0 losses or 2-1s.
Games like Southend and Walsall where neither away side looked like scoring and didn’t deserve anything they got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 17:03:58 GMT
Cracking post. If only everyone was as sensible and reasoned as yourself! So far the big difference is that we're not getting trashed in the 5 league games before PT was sacked we let in 6 goals at Sheff W, 3 at Orient & 3 at Plymuff then we lost to non league Darlington in the FA Cup, we were a sinking ship when PT went, I don't think we are yet under DC. As a win on Saturday would have taken us to 15th with another winnable looking game at Burton up next followed by two similar looking home games. As it is we're 4th from bottom and Walsall are just 2 pts off second!! Our next 3 league games could decide DC's fate as we need to win at least one of them. A sinking ship that lost 5 in PT's last 15 league games? Not great but far from disastrous. Sacking PT proved to be a mistake and removing DC would be an even bigger one.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2018 17:13:25 GMT
So far the big difference is that we're not getting trashed in the 5 league games before PT was sacked we let in 6 goals at Sheff W, 3 at Orient & 3 at Plymuff then we lost to non league Darlington in the FA Cup, we were a sinking ship when PT went, I don't think we are yet under DC. As a win on Saturday would have taken us to 15th with another winnable looking game at Burton up next followed by two similar looking home games. As it is we're 4th from bottom and Walsall are just 2 pts off second!! Our next 3 league games could decide DC's fate as we need to win at least one of them. A sinking ship that lost 5 in PT's last 15 league games? Not great but far from disastrous. Sacking PT proved to be a mistake and removing DC would be an even bigger one. But the last 3 were heavy losses and PT's done zero has a manager since he left us to show that he did have the management skills to turn the club around, it's not like Ollie who went on to better things. The mistake was moving from a "players" manager like PT to the opposite, particularly with the transfer window already closed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 17:16:19 GMT
A sinking ship that lost 5 in PT's last 15 league games? Not great but far from disastrous. Sacking PT proved to be a mistake and removing DC would be an even bigger one. But the last 3 were heavy losses and PT's done zero has a manager since he left us to show that he did have the management skills to turn the club around, it's not like Ollie who went on to better things. The mistake was moving from a "players" manager like PT to the opposite, particularly with the transfer window already closed. The last three included respectable draws at Brighton and Charlton. PT's clearly been a top coach since he left and whilst his managing Cardiff wasn't great, I would argue he offered us far more than the line of managers that replaced him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 8, 2018 17:35:23 GMT
But the last 3 were heavy losses and PT's done zero has a manager since he left us to show that he did have the management skills to turn the club around, it's not like Ollie who went on to better things. The mistake was moving from a "players" manager like PT to the opposite, particularly with the transfer window already closed. The last three included respectable draws at Brighton and Charlton. PT's clearly been a top coach since he left and whilst his managing Cardiff wasn't great, I would argue he offered us far more than the line of managers that replaced him.Can't really argue with that view! That's why it's a bit laughable that MidlandGas seems to think for some reason we'll just go out and employ a better manager than DC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 17:45:50 GMT
The last three included respectable draws at Brighton and Charlton. PT's clearly been a top coach since he left and whilst his managing Cardiff wasn't great, I would argue he offered us far more than the line of managers that replaced him.Can't really argue with that view! That's why it's a bit laughable that MidlandGas seems to think for some reason we'll just go out and employ a better manager than DC. How do you know we won’t get a better manager? Who thought DC would do what he’s done did you?
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Post by lincsblue on Oct 8, 2018 19:23:02 GMT
Yep, as in stop going to matches The crowds are dropping now aren’t they ? 1. August 12th 2017 (Posh) 9,758.........August 11th (Accrington) 8,683 2. August 26th (Fleetwood) 8,363........August 25th (Southend) 8,172 3. Sept 9th 2017 (Walsall) 8,544.........Sept 8th (Plymouth) 9,006 4. Sept 23rd 2017 (Blackpool) 8,431........Sept 22nd (Coventry) 8,385 4a. Sept 30th 2017 (Plymouth) 9,879........ 5. Oct 14th 2017(Oxford 9,646........Oct 6th (Walsall) 7,768 6. Oct 28th 2017 (MK Dons) 8,700........Oct 20th(Oxford) ?, ? ? 7. Nov 18th 2017 (AFC ) 8,734.........Nov 17th (Scunny) ?, ? ? Not too dissimilair , Opening day (1) the 1,000+ can be partly attributed to Posh bringing more than Accy 2 and 4 were very close, 3 we had more but that was Plymouth so understandable, although Muff 17 v Muff 18 was down 873 5, almost down 1900 but that was Oxford, even so I reckon 800 of the missing would be Gas Need to see how our next 2 home games pan out (6 & 7. ) Need more than 9k and 8k respectively and all is well
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Post by Jomo on Oct 9, 2018 7:32:21 GMT
Can't really argue with that view! That's why it's a bit laughable that MidlandGas seems to think for some reason we'll just go out and employ a better manager than DC. How do you know we won’t get a better manager? Who thought DC would do what he’s done did you? Sorry but that's a pretty dim thing to say. Of course it's POSSIBLE that a new manager could come in and do better with our resources and managing the general negativity surrounding the club. However it's far more likely that the manager currently in charge, who knows the club, knows the players and above all maintains stability, would be a less risky option. We have to assess the risks of making such decisions and the probability of success given what decisions can be made. A new manager as we saw with PT when he went could far more easily disrupt whatever harmony is remaining, destabilise the club and accelerate it's decline. We've seen it time and again at other clubs. Charlton after Curbishley, Reading after McDermott, Villa after Sherwood, Grimsby currently going through managers like they're going out of fashion since Hurst was effectively hounded out. You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 7:50:33 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off?
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 9, 2018 8:57:33 GMT
The crowds are dropping now aren’t they ? 1. August 12th 2017 (Posh) 9,758.........August 11th (Accrington) 8,683 2. August 26th (Fleetwood) 8,363........August 25th (Southend) 8,172 3. Sept 9th 2017 (Walsall) 8,544.........Sept 8th (Plymouth) 9,006 4. Sept 23rd 2017 (Blackpool) 8,431........Sept 22nd (Coventry) 8,385 4a. Sept 30th 2017 (Plymouth) 9,879........ 5. Oct 14th 2017(Oxford 9,646........Oct 6th (Walsall) 7,768 6. Oct 28th 2017 (MK Dons) 8,700........Oct 20th(Oxford) ?, ? ? 7. Nov 18th 2017 (AFC ) 8,734.........Nov 17th (Scunny) ?, ? ? Not too dissimilair , Opening day (1) the 1,000+ can be partly attributed to Posh bringing more than Accy 2 and 4 were very close, 3 we had more but that was Plymouth so understandable, although Muff 17 v Muff 18 was down 873 5, almost down 1900 but that was Oxford, even so I reckon 800 of the missing would be Gas Need to see how our next 2 home games pan out (6 & 7. ) Need more than 9k and 8k respectively and all is well Great stattoing. Start of the season is a weird one anyway - some people desperate to get to a game and some nice weather but others on holidays, skint and / or getting kids ready for school. Surely the really comparable one is 3 & 4a, re Plymouth. Both a Saturday. I'll find the away fan figures later.. Sept 8th 2018 (Plymouth) 9,006 Sept 30th 2017 (Plymouth) 9,879
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 9, 2018 11:12:57 GMT
Can't really argue with that view! That's why it's a bit laughable that MidlandGas seems to think for some reason we'll just go out and employ a better manager than DC. How do you know we won’t get a better manager? Who thought DC would do what he’s done did you? We might. We might not. However the club's track record is about one successful manager in 8.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 9, 2018 11:14:35 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? Be fair, some of those are injured or are just coming back from injury.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 9, 2018 11:16:29 GMT
How do you know we won’t get a better manager? Who thought DC would do what he’s done did you? Sorry but that's a pretty dim thing to say. Of course it's POSSIBLE that a new manager could come in and do better with our resources and managing the general negativity surrounding the club. However it's far more likely that the manager currently in charge, who knows the club, knows the players and above all maintains stability, would be a less risky option. We have to assess the risks of making such decisions and the probability of success given what decisions can be made. A new manager as we saw with PT when he went could far more easily disrupt whatever harmony is remaining, destabilise the club and accelerate it's decline. We've seen it time and again at other clubs. Charlton after Curbishley, Reading after McDermott, Villa after Sherwood, Grimsby currently going through managers like they're going out of fashion since Hurst was effectively hounded out. You don't know what you've got until it's gone. Agreed, most clubs change managers constantly, and yet the number that get relegated or promoted each year stays the same. It's not a magic bullet.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 9, 2018 11:28:35 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? I would argue that all those players when signed were welcomed as good options. Nichols scored 14 in L1 the previous season, Posh's top scorer. Payne was Shrews top scorer last season. Rodman was one of Shrews best players last season, and we needed width. Upson is an experienced L1 player who most of us thought was an excellent signing. Smith and Slocombe both solid Goalkeepers. Smith previous L2 player of the season, Slocombe promoted with Blackpool and their player of the season. Broadbent, a wildcard interesting signing and could yet prove to be a quality and unexpected signing for us. Partington was Eastleigh's captain and he is a good player. No arguments from me. Mensah was one of the brightest young talents in the Conference. He's not quite reached L1 standard yet, but is one for the future. Sercombe - quality L1 player, and has already proven this to us. That they're not performing to the capabilities this season so far, is something of a concern, but I already believe that by getting us into midtable each season since we came back up, is in fact an overachievement. We have no given right to be competing at the top of the division with clubs that are far better equipped to compete in this division than we are. The fact we're declining is just a natural course once momentum and significant investment run dry.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 9, 2018 12:27:33 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? So if you want DC sacked who do you feel we could replace him with who could do a better job?
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Post by tomylil on Oct 9, 2018 12:35:30 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? I would argue that all those players when signed were welcomed as good options. Nichols scored 14 in L1 the previous season, Posh's top scorer. Payne was Shrews top scorer last season. Rodman was one of Shrews best players last season, and we needed width. Upson is an experienced L1 player who most of us thought was an excellent signing. Smith and Slocombe both solid Goalkeepers. Smith previous L2 player of the season, Slocombe promoted with Blackpool and their player of the season. Broadbent, a wildcard interesting signing and could yet prove to be a quality and unexpected signing for us. Partington was Eastleigh's captain and he is a good player. No arguments from me. Mensah was one of the brightest young talents in the Conference. He's not quite reached L1 standard yet, but is one for the future. Sercombe - quality L1 player, and has already proven this to us. That they're not performing to the capabilities this season so far, is something of a concern, but I already believe that by getting us into midtable each season since we came back up, is in fact an overachievement. We have no given right to be competing at the top of the division with clubs that are far better equipped to compete in this division than we are. The fact we're declining is just a natural course once momentum and significant investment run dry.Brilliant post in my opinion. Nail on head.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:38:43 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? So if you want DC sacked who do you feel we could replace him with who could do a better job? I don’t want him sacked
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 12:42:51 GMT
So if he knows the players why did he sign Nichols,Payne,Rodman,Upson,Smith,slocombe,Broadbent,partington,Mensah,sercombe only one of those players started Saturday and he was subbed off? I would argue that all those players when signed were welcomed as good options. Nichols scored 14 in L1 the previous season, Posh's top scorer. Payne was Shrews top scorer last season. Rodman was one of Shrews best players last season, and we needed width. Upson is an experienced L1 player who most of us thought was an excellent signing. Smith and Slocombe both solid Goalkeepers. Smith previous L2 player of the season, Slocombe promoted with Blackpool and their player of the season. Broadbent, a wildcard interesting signing and could yet prove to be a quality and unexpected signing for us. Partington was Eastleigh's captain and he is a good player. No arguments from me. Mensah was one of the brightest young talents in the Conference. He's not quite reached L1 standard yet, but is one for the future. Sercombe - quality L1 player, and has already proven this to us. That they're not performing to the capabilities this season so far, is something of a concern, but I already believe that by getting us into midtable each season since we came back up, is in fact an overachievement. We have no given right to be competing at the top of the division with clubs that are far better equipped to compete in this division than we are. The fact we're declining is just a natural course once momentum and significant investment run dry. But we needed a commanding centre back,and why after joining us they have all lost form? why play sercombe out of position?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 9, 2018 13:02:44 GMT
That they're not performing to the capabilities this season so far, is something of a concern, but I already believe that by getting us into midtable each season since we came back up, is in fact an overachievement. We have no given right to be competing at the top of the division with clubs that are far better equipped to compete in this division than we are. The fact we're declining is just a natural course once momentum and significant investment run dry. Yeah, if you look at our rivals over the DC years we have: Barnet, back in the C. Grim, struggling bottom quarter of L2 Cobblers, struggling bottom quarter of L2 Oxford, Bottom L1 Wimbledon, same as us. If we dump DC I'd say there's more chance of us turning into Northampton than Portsmouth.
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