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Post by darkbluegas on Oct 15, 2018 12:01:56 GMT
I do believe though that, had a more experienced coach been brought in at that time we wouldn't have dropped out of the league. Someone like Russel Osman I believe would have got us over the line in those eight games. I agree completely, if we'd brought in a big name for those eight games, we probably would have got more points and survived that season. Which probably would not have benefited the club overall as much as that relegation did. Yes it sucked for pride, for cash-flow and for the history books.... .....but it re-energized the club and the fans.....and he got us out at the first attempt. And then promoted again at the first attempt. You can call it luck if you like, but give me a lucky manager over a journeyman any day. A journeyman at that point would have been aiming for the top half of League Two every season since and calling it a success..... I have to disagree about the benefits of dropping out of the league. That's a massive embarrassment that will take a very long time to be expunged from the memory. Everything possible should have been done to stop that happening and it was beyond DC. The professionalism at the club was non existent at that time. I remember sitting in the car park after the Wycombe away game seeing Matt Harold wondering around the car park with his golf clubs with his mates and DC forlornly wondering around looking for his lift home. Why they didn't leave together on the coach God only knows. We looked rag bag. The argument seems to polarise if any doubt is shown over DC. I personally feel he's been badly affected by events at the club and he needs help. His constant referral to having to sale his best players and his rubbish budget is getting boring now. If he feels he can't do his job under the constraints he faces he should make way for someone with a positive approach.
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Post by Blackbeard on Oct 15, 2018 16:07:09 GMT
I don't want DC out
He deserves a decent crack at turning it around
We've got what we've got and the players need to dig deeper
It's their livelihood as well
Nichols career will be all but over after his tenure here unless he starts hitting the bag - even then debatable
Time for the team to step up , show some sack and shoot ffs
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Post by dickiedamsell on Oct 15, 2018 17:31:30 GMT
Don't blame the players, its the managers fault and he cant handle it.
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Post by socrates on Oct 15, 2018 17:37:35 GMT
Don't blame the players, its the managers fault and he cant handle it. Have you met midland ? I think you’d be very happy together.
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Post by dickiedamsell on Oct 15, 2018 17:40:31 GMT
truth hurts hey.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 18:09:56 GMT
That isnt great reading severncider but I hate the 4 wins in 27 but starting from the start of the year when there has been a close season in between. There are too many variables of course a manager would likely be sacked but we finished 12th last year and since Jan we have sold all our goals out the side. Let’s look at the here and now which is 2 league wins from 12. Managers sometimes survive that run and so should DC. What we need is couple of wins on the trot, ugly 1-0 ones if we can get them and then in January strengthen the wide areas and add a striker. Spot on. Taking last season into account is pointless. 2 from 12 is a fair challenge.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 15, 2018 18:11:46 GMT
The truth is that whenever we sack a decent manager we always finish up getting relegated.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 15, 2018 19:00:49 GMT
I don't want DC out He deserves a decent crack at turning it around We've got what we've got and the players need to dig deeper It's their livelihood as well Nichols career will be all but over after his tenure here unless he starts hitting the bag - even then debatable Time for the team to step up , show some sack and shoot ffs The problem with Nichols is that I have a horrible feeling he may be contracted until the end of next season. It hasn’t been disclosed as far as I know. Does anyone know anything different? His confidence must be completely shot. I thought he might kick on after those couple of goals he scored in a week last October but he is clearly fragile as he hardly ever gets in a position where he might get a chance. For all that DC made the wrong call signing him, it is surely hard to foresee that a striker who hit double figures the year before in the same league would be quite so ineffectual. I just hope we won’t be saying the same about Payne in a year’s time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 19:08:49 GMT
At time of writing, 192/212 want DC to stay. That's 91%.
Incredible given the run we are in this season but testament (to quote DC!) of what a superb manager we know he is. Imagine the backlash if the board were stupid enough to sack him.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 15, 2018 20:33:33 GMT
At time of writing, 192/212 want DC to stay. That's 91%. Incredible given the run we are in this season but testament (to quote DC!) of what a superb manager we know he is. Imagine the backlash if the board were stupid enough to sack him. I think the 91% can see further than a bad run of form and/or results. There's more to management than just 90minutes on pitch in league and cup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 21:10:37 GMT
I don't want DC out He deserves a decent crack at turning it around We've got what we've got and the players need to dig deeper It's their livelihood as well Nichols career will be all but over after his tenure here unless he starts hitting the bag - even then debatable Time for the team to step up , show some sack and shoot ffs The problem with Nichols is that I have a horrible feeling he may be contracted until the end of next season. It hasn’t been disclosed as far as I know. Does anyone know anything different? His confidence must be completely shot. I thought he might kick on after those couple of goals he scored in a week last October but he is clearly fragile as he hardly ever gets in a position where he might get a chance. For all that DC made the wrong call signing him, it is surely hard to foresee that a striker who hit double figures the year before in the same league would be quite so ineffectual. I just hope we won’t be saying the same about Payne in a year’s time. There was an interview somewhere or a dinner q and a where it was said that under the current owners the club do not do longer than 2 year contracts but i cant remember exactly when/where.
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Post by aghast on Oct 15, 2018 21:49:21 GMT
I would like to meet these DC haters in real life over a pie and a pint to discuss why they think our best manager for decades should be sacked in mid-October.
PS I lied about the bit about wanting to meet them.
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Post by blueridge on Oct 16, 2018 7:20:13 GMT
I would like to meet these DC haters in real life over a pie and a pint to discuss why they think our best manager for decades should be sacked in mid-October. PS I lied about the bit about wanting to meet them. Hate is a strong word and and I don't believe people who want him sacked necessarily feel like that. Personally, I feel his time is up as a manager of our club as I believe he is being found wanting at this level. Just about every club in this division will lose their best players - that's a fact and should not be used as an excuse. The really good managers are able to find adequate replacements with limited budgets and move on. DC has been unable to do this at this level and that mainly IMO, is why we are struggling now and have been since last January. ISTM that he is now in panic mode - not knowing what to do or where to go, which has been/is reflected in his recruitment, somewhat 'bizarre' team selections and tactics - we all have limits of ability in our own careers - DC IMO has exceeded his and is clearly struggling - sometimes you need to take a step back - he may well now be at that crossroad in his career.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2018 7:39:41 GMT
I would like to meet these DC haters in real life over a pie and a pint to discuss why they think our best manager for decades should be sacked in mid-October. PS I lied about the bit about wanting to meet them. Hate is a strong word and and I don't believe people who want him sacked necessarily feel like that. Personally, I feel his time is up as a manager of our club as I believe he is being found wanting at this level. Just about every club in this division will lose their best players - that's a fact and should not be used as an excuse. The really good managers are able to find adequate replacements with limited budgets and move on. DC has been unable to do this at this level and that mainly IMO, is why we are struggling now and have been since last January. ISTM that he is now in panic mode - not knowing what to do or where to go, which has been/is reflected in his recruitment, somewhat 'bizarre' team selections and tactics - we all have limits of ability in our own careers - DC IMO has exceeded his and is clearly struggling - sometimes you need to take a step back - he may well now be at that crossroad in his career. Looking at our competitors from the Conference/Div 2, Grimsby are struggling to stay in the league, Barnet have already dropped out, Northampton are also struggling in Div 2, Wimbledon, Oxford & Plymouth are around us in Div 1, only Accrington are doing well and they are probably having their first season "bounce" before reality sets in next season. So who are these clubs in Div 1 of a similar size to Rovers who've replaced their best players without any apparent problems once they've gone?
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Post by blueridge on Oct 16, 2018 7:43:27 GMT
Hate is a strong word and and I don't believe people who want him sacked necessarily feel like that. Personally, I feel his time is up as a manager of our club as I believe he is being found wanting at this level. Just about every club in this division will lose their best players - that's a fact and should not be used as an excuse. The really good managers are able to find adequate replacements with limited budgets and move on. DC has been unable to do this at this level and that mainly IMO, is why we are struggling now and have been since last January. ISTM that he is now in panic mode - not knowing what to do or where to go, which has been/is reflected in his recruitment, somewhat 'bizarre' team selections and tactics - we all have limits of ability in our own careers - DC IMO has exceeded his and is clearly struggling - sometimes you need to take a step back - he may well now be at that crossroad in his career. Looking at our competitors from the Conference/Div 2, Grimsby are struggling to stay in the league, Barnet have already dropped out, Northampton are also struggling in Div 2, Wimbledon, Oxford & Plymouth are around us in Div 1, only Accrington are doing well and they are probably having their first season "bounce" before reality sets in next season. So who are these clubs in Div 1 of a similar size to Rovers who've replaced their best players without any apparent problems once they've gone? Umm - Peterborough and Accrington Stanley!
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 16, 2018 8:19:53 GMT
Hate is a strong word and and I don't believe people who want him sacked necessarily feel like that. Personally, I feel his time is up as a manager of our club as I believe he is being found wanting at this level. Just about every club in this division will lose their best players - that's a fact and should not be used as an excuse. The really good managers are able to find adequate replacements with limited budgets and move on. DC has been unable to do this at this level and that mainly IMO, is why we are struggling now and have been since last January. ISTM that he is now in panic mode - not knowing what to do or where to go, which has been/is reflected in his recruitment, somewhat 'bizarre' team selections and tactics - we all have limits of ability in our own careers - DC IMO has exceeded his and is clearly struggling - sometimes you need to take a step back - he may well now be at that crossroad in his career. Looking at our competitors from the Conference/Div 2, Grimsby are struggling to stay in the league, Barnet have already dropped out, Northampton are also struggling in Div 2, Wimbledon, Oxford & Plymouth are around us in Div 1, only Accrington are doing well and they are probably having their first season "bounce" before reality sets in next season. So who are these clubs in Div 1 of a similar size to Rovers who've replaced their best players without any apparent problems once they've gone? I was thinking about this myself. Maybe there is a noticable difference in quality betwee L1 & L2. As you point out, many of the sides promoted in recents seasons are struggling. Of those promoted with the Gas, Northampton have already gone back down and Oxford, Wimbledon and ourselves make up 3 of the bottom 5. Others promoted recently like Wycombe and Plymouth are also in a relegation scrap and Blackpool not much better off. Potsmouth, Doncaster, Luton and Coventry buck the trend but they are all bigger clubs and would be expected to do very well at this level. Accrington are the only exception.
Many of these sides will have lost a lot of the players that helped them get into L1 and like ouselves ahave not been able to replace them with players of similar quality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 11:08:44 GMT
Looking at our competitors from the Conference/Div 2, Grimsby are struggling to stay in the league, Barnet have already dropped out, Northampton are also struggling in Div 2, Wimbledon, Oxford & Plymouth are around us in Div 1, only Accrington are doing well and they are probably having their first season "bounce" before reality sets in next season. So who are these clubs in Div 1 of a similar size to Rovers who've replaced their best players without any apparent problems once they've gone? I was thinking about this myself. Maybe there is a noticable difference in quality betwee L1 & L2. As you point out, many of the sides promoted in recents seasons are struggling. Of those promoted with the Gas, Northampton have already gone back down and Oxford, Wimbledon and ourselves make up 3 of the bottom 5. Others promoted recently like Wycombe and Plymouth are also in a relegation scrap and Blackpool not much better off. Potsmouth, Doncaster, Luton and Coventry buck the trend but they are all bigger clubs and would be expected to do very well at this level. Accrington are the only exception.
Many of these sides will have lost a lot of the players that helped them get into L1 and like ouselves ahave not been able to replace them with players of similar quality.
Yep. You can do it for a while if you are good at unearthing gems or developing talent. But you can't KEEP doing it. Maybe Darrell is better than others have been at it...
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 16, 2018 15:40:00 GMT
I would like to meet these DC haters in real life over a pie and a pint to discuss why they think our best manager for decades should be sacked in mid-October. PS I lied about the bit about wanting to meet them. That`s despicable. Every time you tell a lie, a little fairy has to die. Please bear this in mind, in future.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 16:24:38 GMT
I would like to meet these DC haters in real life over a pie and a pint to discuss why they think our best manager for decades should be sacked in mid-October. PS I lied about the bit about wanting to meet them. Hate is a strong word and and I don't believe people who want him sacked necessarily feel like that. Personally, I feel his time is up as a manager of our club as I believe he is being found wanting at this level. Just about every club in this division will lose their best players - that's a fact and should not be used as an excuse. The really good managers are able to find adequate replacements with limited budgets and move on. DC has been unable to do this at this level and that mainly IMO, is why we are struggling now and have been since last January. ISTM that he is now in panic mode - not knowing what to do or where to go, which has been/is reflected in his recruitment, somewhat 'bizarre' team selections and tactics - we all have limits of ability in our own careers - DC IMO has exceeded his and is clearly struggling - sometimes you need to take a step back - he may well now be at that crossroad in his career. But this is his third season at this level which makes your "being found out at this level" claim look stupid. Whatever spin you want put on it in the context of rovers recent history the last two league one seasons were very good ones for our club.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 16, 2018 16:59:05 GMT
What we need now is someone who knows the football club, the fans and League one. Someone with recent promotions working under tight budgets would be preferable. Someone like DC.
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