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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 27, 2018 19:55:30 GMT
Tweets like this don't really help True, but you need to read the full twitter exchange as this guy Josh first asked why he was not challenging for 50/50s in the air and Stefan said he was 'sitting in the stands judging when you’ve only played Sunday league' others on the twitter exchange were supportive. Asking why he wasn't challenge for 50/50s and what he said was pretty different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 20:07:58 GMT
I get fed up with fans going way over the top with abuse of both opposing players and even worse our own. So well done stefan for giving some back. Good on you.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 27, 2018 20:13:42 GMT
This seems to be the original conversation
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 27, 2018 20:22:38 GMT
I dont hold with the notion that just because you are behind a barrier separating you from the players that you have the right to hurl vile abuse at one of your own or even opposition players, these 'fans'? would not do it in the pub or in the street for fear of retribution from the recipients of the abuse, in Payne's case he looks as though he's more than capable of looking after himself,and i can understand them thinking enough is enough and fighting back.How does hurling abuse at our own players help in the situation we currently find ourselves in?As far as Payne goes he had a good couple of games but when the results did not go our way and DC tried other options he did not appear to take to kindly to being dropped ,he then has the options of buckling down and fighting to regain his place or sulking , and it would seem he chose the latter, unfortunately.That said no striker combination has had an extended run in order to build up an understanding, AS DC seeks the magic formula to unlock the goal chest.i believe some one like Tom Eaves or even Ryan Brunt were better in the number 9 role than Stefan , but there not here and Stefan is,any time he is selected he should get our full support, but if he proves not to be the right fit then so be it and we must part company.Stefan i would say this to you 'fight hard for your place and the shirt and the fans will get behind you, to the fans 'get behind whoever is selected, whether your pick or not,cos if big divisions start appearing twixt team and fans then divided we fall!I seem to remember one ELISS Harrison being accused of laziness, he chose to work hard, and we all know how that paid off,winning all the fans over (well nearly all!)Divisions twixt fans and players aint what being a gas ed is about is it , come on lets all stick together and we will soon see an upturn in our fortunes ! up the Rovers !
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Post by Centenary Gas on Oct 27, 2018 20:48:22 GMT
Definitely looked to me that he gave the support at Oakhill today the middle finger and Fool sign as be ushered off by staff at the end? I'll say it for the fifth time, good on him, if you can't take it, don't give it. If it happened... Good on him in your opinion, out of order (turn a blind eye) in mine. It's not like the critisism is completely unjustified. His work rate has been questionable at best, certainly compared to the first couple of games, he doesn't evem jump for headers nor barely sprint.
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Post by syg on Oct 27, 2018 20:59:23 GMT
I'm with the fan on twitter with this. He raised a sensible point and had a condescending response from Payne who could choose not to reply or admit to having a bad game.
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Post by gasforeverman on Oct 27, 2018 21:14:11 GMT
A professional whos not acting like one...
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 27, 2018 21:19:23 GMT
Sell him in January whatever the goading he has to rise above it, FFS what next .
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Post by fanboy on Oct 27, 2018 21:22:27 GMT
When I was at work if I had given a the middle finger and Fool sign to our customers I would have expected and indeed got the sack...if true and DC does not at least fine this player I'll be disappointed. In fact I might even write to Hamer. Get this guy out of the club in January not just for this but as Pirate rightly says because he crap. Thank you Mr Widdrington for your expertise. Mr Widdrington was appointed by DC and by all accounts is one of his mates. Like so many of DC’s hires. Perhaps he should hire the best man for the job, instead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 21:41:42 GMT
Tweets like this don't really help Its OK, he's on £3k per week, so should be able to take the abuse. Seems he's had a pay rise, I don't condone the comments but they were after today's accusation of Payne's abuse of fans and some previous between these two on twitter including him telling Josh his views don't count as he only sits in the stands and only played Sunday league football. .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 21:53:04 GMT
When I was at work if I had given a the middle finger and Fool sign to our customers I would have expected and indeed got the sack...if true and DC does not at least fine this player I'll be disappointed. In fact I might even write to Hamer. Get this guy out of the club in January not just for this but as Pirate rightly says because he crap. Thank you Mr Widdrington for your expertise. Mr Widdrington was appointed by DC and by all accounts is one of his mates. Like so many of DC’s hires. Perhaps he should hire the best man for the job, instead. Widdrington came with a very good reputation. Do you really believe that DC would employ someone just because they are mates? Come on, I know it seems to be open season on DC right now but this is ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 22:09:00 GMT
Payne's alleged reaction is unacceptable and cannot be condoned whatever the provocation.
Left unchecked you have to ask where does it stop?
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 27, 2018 22:30:11 GMT
I was there today and I'm afraid to say this incident happened pretty much exactly as described. The vast majority of Rovers fans - myself included - were clapping the players off but there were a few in the lower section that were voicing their displeasure. I was too far back to know what was being said and I'm not sure if Payne was the only one to get a bit of stick but he was the only one that reacted. All the other players clapped the fans on their way to the tunnel which was at the away end. Payne was having to be ushered off by someone I didn't recognise as he gave the fans the middle finger and the w**ker gesture at least twice. He seems to have a real attitude problem and this is probably one of the reasons he's had so many clubs. As for his performance, apart from missing an absolute sitter I thought he had an okay first half but he went missing again after the break. Biggest problem is whether he's trying or not I just don't think he's good enough. His first touch is poor, he struggles to hold up the ball or link play, he doesn't even challenge for headers and that chance he missed today was a shocker.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 27, 2018 22:31:13 GMT
I would suggest people who gave this abuse go away and get a dictionary and look up the meaning of "supporter". My assessment of Payne's performance was not one of no effort but as usual our main striker as Ellis had to on numerous occasions had to chase around after their back four with little hope of getting the ball because when DC plays two up front they never close down as a pair and are miles apart and the midfield are too far back. I saw no signs that he was lazy-frustrated yes. We cannot comment on our "friends" across the river when we have supporters who behave like this. It is disgraceful and any reaction was probably deserved. Stefan Payne is not built like a striker who leads the attack and is often outmuscled. We played well today and lost. Get over it and support the side. We did not lose today because of Stefan Payne, we lost because ALL our attacking players and I include in that the midfield and forwards failed to take half chances or good chances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 22:44:34 GMT
I was there today and I'm afraid to say this incident happened pretty much exactly as described. The vast majority of Rovers fans - myself included - were clapping the players off but there were a few in the lower section that were voicing their displeasure. I was too far back to know what was being said. I don't think Payne was the only one to get a bit of stick but he seemed to get more than most. Nobody else reacted but Payne was having to be ushered off by someone I didn't recognise as he gave the fans the middle finger and the w**ker gesture at least twice. He seems to have a real attitude problem and this is probably one of the reasons he's had so many clubs. As for his performance, apart from missing an absolute sitter from 5 yards I thought he had an okay first half but he went missing again after the break. Biggest problem is whether he's trying or not I just don't think he's good enough. His first touch is poor, he can't hold up the ball or link play, he doesn't even challenge for headers and the chance he missed today was a shocker. Agree that his first touch is poor,stands out a mile. Im hoping its a confidence thing but maybe not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 22:55:50 GMT
I would suggest people who gave this abuse go away and get a dictionary and look up the meaning of "supporter". My assessment of Payne's performance was not one of no effort but as usual our main striker as Ellis had to on numerous occasions had to chase around after their back four with little hope of getting the ball because when DC plays two up front they never close down as a pair and are miles apart and the midfield are too far back. I saw no signs that he was lazy-frustrated yes. We cannot comment on our "friends" across the river when we have supporters who behave like this. It is disgraceful and any reaction was probably deserved. Stefan Payne is not built like a striker who leads the attack and is often outmuscled. We played well today and lost. Get over it and support the side. We did not lose today because of Stefan Payne, we lost because ALL our attacking players and I include in that the midfield and forwards failed to take half chances or good chances. Absolutely agree with the main gist of this in that the "supporters" should be ashamed of themselves if they gave him abuse. I don't know if they did or not. I'm not sure I agree with the point about Stefan not being built like a striker who leads the attack though. He's around 6'2" and strongly built and I would have thought he should have the attributes to do exactly that. When he doesn't challenge for a ball or allows a centre half to get in front of him very easily, both of which we've all seen this season, it's inevitable that he will be accused of not trying hard enough, whether that be the case or not. It absolutely does not excuse abuse though.
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Post by pucklechurchgas on Oct 27, 2018 23:11:40 GMT
Some of our “fans” continue to amaze me. Every year there is a scapegoat. How do people think this is going to make players play better? From watching the game today I didn’t think Payne was lacking in effort, but echoing what Steve K has said, he was tasked with chasing wayward balls all afternoon. I actually thought he won his fair amount considering. Payne is a similar mound to Ellis who was proclaimed “rubbish” and now Ellis is playing a division above. I don’t think Payne is championship level by any means but give the guy a break and see what he can do!
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Post by buckaroo on Oct 27, 2018 23:56:58 GMT
Why should football fans expect players to be reasonably restrained, if they aren’t themselves? Sheer hypocrisy.
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Post by solgas on Oct 28, 2018 0:31:18 GMT
Absolute rubbish, he's paid a couple of grand a week and could at least look like he's putting in some effort and to do this to fans who have probably spent the best part of £70 or £80 to watch us is in my view a disgrace (if true).
So because he's on £X amount per week means he can be abused at work does it?
So if you earn more than people means they can abuse you at work does it?
So because you are paid a certain figure you should be able to take the abuse? A high percentage of football fans are morons unfortunately Yes you can voice an opinion but why should you be shocked and hurt if a player decided to respond! Are fans such sensetive souls that they can’t take it? It’s actually true what Payne said about sitting in the stands and playing Sunday league Yes there are fans who know the game but the vast majority haven’t a clue I think it’s a shame that because you are a faceless person in a crowd(while a player with a name on his back can’t ever be anonymous) that gives you the right to say whatever you want and whatever is said back fills them with shock!! It’s not acceptable for a player to respond and maybe they shouldn’t but look at it from both sides I other cases it could be racial or something else personal so if that was ever the case which happened to Ian Wright and Patrick Kluivert who both reacted would that be a case of they should take it because they earn a certain amount ? Cantona anyone?
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Post by axegas on Oct 28, 2018 0:35:13 GMT
Because he's paid at least in part by the fans who watch him.
So if a customer comes into my work and starts abusing me, I should take it because they " Pay my wages"?
Abuse or just criticism? If criticism that’s absolutely fine as the customer has every right to tell you what is wrong and how to improve yourself and other employees. If it is in fact abuse however that is unacceptable, there’s no place for that in football and deserves to be condemned imo.
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