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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 10:15:48 GMT
It literally looks like a template, poor words, and to the people that say "every time he speaks up he gets abuse" or "at least he's paying attention" it's not quite good enough for the "owner" of the club, if that was me? I'd be posting on social media as much as I possibly could He's been vague, distant and shown no true progression, it's always wait and see, I think it's getting a bit tired now, two new tents and a renovated bar and shop isn't enough and as said above we are in fact a laughing stock We're all loyal and being mocked won't shake our dedication to our club, but something has got to give! If he cares/cared about the club he'd want the best for it cause this is absolute shambles There is no determination in those words, if he was as angry as fans are his wording would be totally different. His terminology is apathetic in the extreme and it's hard to have any faith that things will improve via intervention from the top of the club. It's down to DC to sort it out.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 22, 2018 10:17:34 GMT
Words fail me they’ve not actually spent any of their own money on the club it’s all secured against the Mem and the day of reckoning will one day come That's not true, though is it. The Mem is an asset of the club. Everyone who has ever owned the club has spent money but owned the assets. Just because it's secured against the Mem doesn't mean they haven't spent the money. The money doesn't magically appear just by securing it against an asset. If you remortgage your house, you don't magically get 100 grand to spend for free. That's 100 grand you don't get when you sale your house. This, 'they haven't spent any money' is contextless bullshit by people who don't want to admit, for some reason, Dwane are blowing £1.5M a year on us. Quality Post sir !
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 22, 2018 10:20:19 GMT
Erm, no. The fact is they are not currently stringing us along with stories about a stadium that will never get built. That's the first time for about thirty odd years that we haven't been strung along with stories of a stadium that will never get built. It seems to me as a fan base, we're only ever happy when getting strung along with stories about a stadium that will never get built. With respect, that sounds like thanking a 'Nigerian Prince' for not conning your nan out of her pension money. We should not be grateful that they have gone silent, we should be annoyed that they have no direction whatsoever and do not have the capability to display strong leadership. That should be a pre-requisite for ANY football club owners before you even get near factoring in dreams of a new stadium. I wasn't thanking them. I was replying to a post that said they are destroying our club. That's like blaming a nigerian prince for conning your nan out of her pension money, when she'd already blown it all on the bingo. We've been down the Bingo since 1940. Fwiw I agree about the direction and leadership, and hope there is a reasonable explanation (like we're in the middle of some sort of important negotiation). But the idea that generally Dwane have been worse for us than any other set of owners doesn't really bear scrutiny.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 22, 2018 10:21:57 GMT
But if there is nothing to say, I would rather him say nothing. If he's selling the club or trying to find investment to get facilities built, either way, he can't talk about it. So what do you want him to say??? How am I not a gashead, because I'm not bothered if we get a weekly update, saying nothing! They have said until there is something to say, they won't, as they don't won't to get our hopes up again, as there have been too many false dawn's. I want to know, but I'm not going to cry about it like you. As I can see, why they wouldn't be able to say anything. If your team is in the relegation zone and you crash out of the FA cup to a non league side despite being in the lead, t home, then there bloody well is something to say!!!! You don't have to go into great detail.but you certainly start throwing 'I's' about, at the very least 'I will investigate, as a matter of urgency, every means available to get this club moving in an upward direction. The fans deserve much better' is way way way better than 'let's all pull together eh?' The man is so insipid it's unreal. Something to say to the manager and staff yes. I would rather him say it to them though. Making it public, will just make things worse IMO.
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Post by GasLass on Nov 22, 2018 10:23:23 GMT
It literally looks like a template, poor words, and to the people that say "every time he speaks up he gets abuse" or "at least he's paying attention" it's not quite good enough for the "owner" of the club, if that was me? I'd be posting on social media as much as I possibly could He's been vague, distant and shown no true progression, it's always wait and see, I think it's getting a bit tired now, two new tents and a renovated bar and shop isn't enough and as said above we are in fact a laughing stock We're all loyal and being mocked won't shake our dedication to our club, but something has got to give! If he cares/cared about the club he'd want the best for it cause this is absolute shambles There is no determination in those words, if he was as angry as fans are his wording would be totally different. His terminology is apathetic in the extreme and it's hard to have any faith that things will improve via intervention from the top of the club. It's down to DC to sort it out. If he wants to pack up and leave then obviously there's a lot to be done and you can respect that the commenting on the club would decrease, but to practically silent and not let the fans know a single thing is just damn right selfish tbh I'd love to say we'll claw this back, sort things out in January and regain form and stay up ready for next season, but I'm just preparing myself for League 2 - its a massive shame
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 22, 2018 10:37:33 GMT
Erm, no. The fact is they are not currently stringing us along with stories about a stadium that will never get built. That's the first time for about thirty odd years that we haven't been strung along with stories of a stadium that will never get built. It seems to me as a fan base, we're only ever happy when getting strung along with stories about a stadium that will never get built. With respect, that sounds like thanking a 'Nigerian Prince' for not conning your nan out of her pension money. We should not be grateful that they have gone silent, we should be annoyed that they have no direction whatsoever and do not have the capability to display strong leadership. That should be a pre-requisite for ANY football club owners before you even get near factoring in dreams of a new stadium. You’re talking to someone mind who thinks the ALQs are spunking away £1.5m each year on us that they’ll never see again. It beggars belief how the happy clappers think sometimes but the first they would realise that the house is burning down is when they’re sat in the ashes in tears. Just for anyone who might get taken in by such nonsense; Figures are made up but make the point of what is going on. You buy a business for say £1. The business has debts of £1m. The business is losing £1.5m pa The business has assets worth £25m You have enough money to pay the £1 to buy it, pay off the £1m loan and cover the shortfall in running costs for a while , let’s say 5 years. Total outlay therefore say £8.5m. You haven’t given that money to the business though you’ve lent it and secured against the business assets what is more you’ve charged interest on your loan to the business. So how do you think you can be sure that you will get your money back?
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Post by kruger on Nov 22, 2018 10:41:34 GMT
Do the right thing Wael and leave!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 22, 2018 10:43:05 GMT
Do the right thing Wael and leave! Do the right thing Gasheads and support the club in its hour of need...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 22, 2018 10:45:59 GMT
With respect, that sounds like thanking a 'Nigerian Prince' for not conning your nan out of her pension money. We should not be grateful that they have gone silent, we should be annoyed that they have no direction whatsoever and do not have the capability to display strong leadership. That should be a pre-requisite for ANY football club owners before you even get near factoring in dreams of a new stadium. You’re talking to someone mind who thinks the ALQs are spunking away £1.5m each year on us that they’ll never see again. It beggars belief how the happy clappers think sometimes but the first they would realise that the house is burning down is when they’re sat in the ashes in tears. Just for anyone who might get taken in by such nonsense; Figures are made up but make the point of what is going on. You buy a business for say £1. The business has debts of £1m. The business is losing £1.5m pa The business has assets worth £25m You have enough money to pay the £1 to buy it, pay off the £1m loan and cover the shortfall in running costs for a while , let’s say 5 years. Total outlay therefore say £8.5m. You haven’t given that money to the business though you’ve lent it and secured against the business assets what is more you’ve charged interest on your loan to the business. So how do you think you can be sure that you will get your money back? Of course, if those figures were correct in regard to our business you might have a point. And if Dwane sell the Mem and f**k off and leave us without a stadium, you will have a point, and I will admit I was completely wrong (but it will be too late by then in any case). But otherwise, any money they blow that doesn't result in a more valuable club will be money they have spent. So, yes, they will never see it again. Not sure how you can say otherwise. Unless you're genuinely saying you believe they will asset-strip us. Coz if you're saying that, then you should be explicit about it, coz that's a pretty serious accusation. And you'll admit you're completely wrong if it doesn't happen, right? Or do you just want to talk about me, and not to me, coz you're not able to have a conversation? Or are you just gonna tell me not to reply to you again, coz you're not able to have a conversation?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 10:50:50 GMT
With respect, that sounds like thanking a 'Nigerian Prince' for not conning your nan out of her pension money. We should not be grateful that they have gone silent, we should be annoyed that they have no direction whatsoever and do not have the capability to display strong leadership. That should be a pre-requisite for ANY football club owners before you even get near factoring in dreams of a new stadium. I wasn't thanking them. I was replying to a post that said they are destroying our club. That's like blaming a nigerian prince for conning your nan out of her pension money, when she'd already blown it all on the bingo. We've been down the Bingo since 1940. Fwiw I agree about the direction and leadership, and hope there is a reasonable explanation (like we're in the middle of some sort of important negotiation). But the idea that generally Dwane have been worse for us than any other set of owners doesn't really bear scrutiny. Not worse, but as a collective picking a 'best of' is like winning a tallest dwarf competition. There is certainly no tit for tat 'my favourite owners were better than yours' to be had, they have all enjoyed the notoriety yet delivered nothing in the way of a legacy.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2018 10:52:43 GMT
Do the right thing Wael and leave! Do the right thing Gasheads and support the club in its hour of need... Just supporting the club though isn't going to win games as up to the end of last night's game fans have given mainly 100% support during a match. You feel something now as to give, either the ALQ's sell up or, if they are still committed to the club, then replace DC, as things stands we're heading back to Div 2 next season without much of a fight.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Nov 22, 2018 10:58:39 GMT
I gave the AQ family, and Wael especially a lot of faith. I do believe Waels intentions are right but the way he and the family have gone about it isn't. Maybe Wael expected more backing from the family, and I genuinely believe Wael would have been a good owner for the club had the funds also been there. Unfortunately, they have to sell up now.
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Post by wertongas on Nov 22, 2018 11:03:57 GMT
I don't think Wael knows how to run a League I club, he appears to be running the club more like his beloved Chelsea bringing in back room staff we don't need a Chief Executive we don't require, Starnes has come in and nothing has changed all the improvements to the Mem had already been organised before he turned up. We even had bunny girls at the entrance to the West Stand at one point those have now gone. It appears from the accounts that the AQS are subsidising the clubs wage bill, so they are putting money into the club, but at the same time increasing out debt, when there is no more money to come from transfers and the debt exceeds our assets we will be one step from going bankrupt. They couldn't even get a straight forward application to convert some barns into residential properties right, worked with planning for 15 years rarely would you get an application where an important report had been totally omitted from an application going to committee, though that is partly fault of the agents. If we get new owners in we need someone who knows how to run a league 1 club, I have a feeling Starnes was brought to help with this but the Chairman should be able to run the club.
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Post by LJG on Nov 22, 2018 11:21:15 GMT
I don't think Wael knows how to run a League I club, he appears to be running the club more like his beloved Chelsea bringing in back room staff we don't need a Chief Executive we don't require, Starnes has come in and nothing has changed all the improvements to the Mem had already been organised before he turned up. We even had bunny girls at the entrance to the West Stand at one point those have now gone. It appears from the accounts that the AQS are subsidising the clubs wage bill, so they are putting money into the club, but at the same time increasing out debt, when there is no more money to come from transfers and the debt exceeds our assets we will be one step from going bankrupt. They couldn't even get a straight forward application to convert some barns into residential properties right, worked with planning for 15 years rarely would you get an application where an important report had been totally omitted from an application going to committee, though that is partly fault of the agents. If we get new owners in we need someone who knows how to run a league 1 club, I have a feeling Starnes was brought to help with this but the Chairman should be able to run the club. When was this? I don't remember seeing them.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 22, 2018 11:26:05 GMT
Do the right thing Gasheads and support the club in its hour of need... Just supporting the club though isn't going to win games as up to the end of last night's game fans have given mainly 100% support during a match. You feel something now as to give, either the ALQ's sell up or, if they are still committed to the club, then replace DC, as things stands we're heading back to Div 2 next season without much of a fight. Changing either Topper at this stage will make the team play any better sadly
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Post by lpgas on Nov 22, 2018 11:35:47 GMT
Wael speaks and Nichols scores!! We've never had it so good!! We've never had it
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Post by wertongas on Nov 22, 2018 11:39:17 GMT
I don't think Wael knows how to run a League I club, he appears to be running the club more like his beloved Chelsea bringing in back room staff we don't need a Chief Executive we don't require, Starnes has come in and nothing has changed all the improvements to the Mem had already been organised before he turned up. We even had bunny girls at the entrance to the West Stand at one point those have now gone. It appears from the accounts that the AQS are subsidising the clubs wage bill, so they are putting money into the club, but at the same time increasing out debt, when there is no more money to come from transfers and the debt exceeds our assets we will be one step from going bankrupt. They couldn't even get a straight forward application to convert some barns into residential properties right, worked with planning for 15 years rarely would you get an application where an important report had been totally omitted from an application going to committee, though that is partly fault of the agents. If we get new owners in we need someone who knows how to run a league 1 club, I have a feeling Starnes was brought to help with this but the Chairman should be able to run the club. When was this? I don't remember seeing them. Well they weren't bunny girls as such they were tarted up ladies at the entrance to the corporate area, Montano spent 90 minutes chatting one of the up during one game.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 22, 2018 11:45:44 GMT
Everytime he speaks, you know it is going be highly informative and show super strong leadership. Well done Whale, you're doing a great job.
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Post by socrates on Nov 22, 2018 12:04:40 GMT
The only thing he could have said to make fans happier this morning is a long the lines of "I can see as a squad we are desperately short of quality in certain areas of the pitch and rest assured, I will be giving DC a large budget in January to rectify this" It is nice to know he is actually still paying attention to our results but it doesn't excuse the fact that nothing is being said on actually putting some money into the club to progress it. He can’t do that if we’ve hit the ffp limit though can he ? I don’t know what our playing budget is this season but looking at the amount of signings we’ve made I’d imagine it’s around the same as last year. Not Waels fault they’re not good enough or their not trying hard enough or whatever we say is wrong.
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Post by rosssgb on Nov 22, 2018 12:08:14 GMT
Last I’ll say on things for a while as this club consumes far too much of my time & energy.
Wael do the right thing and sell up.
Hamer and the new CEO are on huge money doing essentially the same job / nothing. All signings since the ‘Head of recruitment’ appointment have been questionable. Really is dreadful management.
I appreciate the small stadium improvements made, and the under 23’s squad, but this is nothing the fans couldn’t have done through small fundraisers.
No progress on real development of the Mem, no new stadium plan, no progress on the training ground, no communication about what is going on. Even the big screen we were promised at the Mem has been forgotten about. What is the point promising such things?
Really really poor and a shame given how different things could’ve been when you took over.
Yes Wael is better than Higgs & co. but we’ve replaced a 1/10 owner with a 2/10 owner. Neither are good enough for this football club.
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