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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 20:27:47 GMT
So we are playing at the best stadium we've played at for years, have one of the best managers we've had for years and are playing at the level most agree is our level. We haven't got a new stadium (we never did have) or our own training ground (we never did have) If we constantly look and compare ourselves with other clubs who have more than us we will just make ourselves miserable, just look at some of the posts on this forum to prove that. Try it over the next few days, compare yourselves to wealthier individuals, look at their car, house and life style and see how you feel afterwards. We should be grateful for what we have, accept it and do our best with what we have.As a fan let's be honest we can only go to games and support the team. If fans think they can influence our progress off the pitch they are mistaken, we don't have the money so we don't have the power, that's the reality. Virtually ever fan for every club will say 'we need a striker' like they grow on trees and you just pluck one off, football isn't like that, neither is life, nothing worthwhile is easy. So this is it, compare ourselves to what we had not with other clubs, be grateful and be positive. UTG. The problem is that we do not exist in a bubble, ignoring our competition allows them to sign players that we want because they have better facilities and are not run like a pub team whose chairman has compared their situation with 80's Wimbledon. We are so far short of everyone else in this league, bar Accrington who are punching above their weight and it really needs addressing properly...and not by putting up another tent!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 24, 2018 20:59:06 GMT
So we are playing at the best stadium we've played at for years, have one of the best managers we've had for years and are playing at the level most agree is our level. We haven't got a new stadium (we never did have) or our own training ground (we never did have) If we constantly look and compare ourselves with other clubs who have more than us we will just make ourselves miserable, just look at some of the posts on this forum to prove that. Try it over the next few days, compare yourselves to wealthier individuals, look at their car, house and life style and see how you feel afterwards. We should be grateful for what we have, accept it and do our best with what we have.As a fan let's be honest we can only go to games and support the team. If fans think they can influence our progress off the pitch they are mistaken, we don't have the money so we don't have the power, that's the reality. Virtually ever fan for every club will say 'we need a striker' like they grow on trees and you just pluck one off, football isn't like that, neither is life, nothing worthwhile is easy. So this is it, compare ourselves to what we had not with other clubs, be grateful and be positive. UTG. The problem is that we do not exist in a bubble, ignoring our competition allows them to sign players that we want because they have better facilities and are not run like a pub team whose chairman has compared their situation with 80's Wimbledon. We are so far short of everyone else in this league, bar Accrington who are punching above their weight and it really needs addressing properly...and not by putting up another tent! I thought one thing the ALQ's had brought to the club was that we were being run more professionally, I'd say the following teams are hardly noticeably run better &/or have better grounds: Luton Blackpool Coventry Accrington Walsall Wycombe Southend Burton Rochdale Oxford Wimbledon The majority of them, like us, have had a spell in Div 2 in recent times.
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2018 21:17:27 GMT
To add this doesn’t mean I’m happy about this just I don’t think we’ve ever been promised anything Yes it's noticable looking back that they appeared to be careful not to promise anything however they certainly never quelled any speculation about their finances or intentions, the most we got was Wael's insistence on evolution and that the club "needs" a new stadium. But that is obviously a far cry from stating that we will build you a new stadium, or even we will do our best to buuld you a new stadium. I suspect they never had the clout to deliver UWE from the start if they could only afford the groundworks for a training ground. I suspect that as well, however Wael was I think quoted as saying that finance was not a problem in getting UWE off the ground. Methinks this was complete BS.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:26:38 GMT
Yes it's noticable looking back that they appeared to be careful not to promise anything however they certainly never quelled any speculation about their finances or intentions, the most we got was Wael's insistence on evolution and that the club "needs" a new stadium. But that is obviously a far cry from stating that we will build you a new stadium, or even we will do our best to buuld you a new stadium. I suspect they never had the clout to deliver UWE from the start if they could only afford the groundworks for a training ground. I suspect that as well, however Wael was I think quoted as saying that finance was not a problem in getting UWE off the ground. Methinks this was complete BS. Yeah I recall similar- I did some research after the collapse of the UWE deal out of interest to see what he actually said following the takeover, I recall reading him say that the finance for the stadium was not contingent on the sainsbury's case but that they would let the court case appeal reach it's conclusion anyway. I recall that because it struck me as a bold thing for him to say where previously he had been quite careful with wording. Damned if I can find that article now though, the most I can find attributed to him is that "this club NEEDS a new stadium."
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Post by xplosivgas on Nov 24, 2018 21:49:24 GMT
I suspect that as well, however Wael was I think quoted as saying that finance was not a problem in getting UWE off the ground. Methinks this was complete BS. Yeah I recall similar- I did some research after the collapse of the UWE deal out of interest to see what he actually said following the takeover, I recall reading him say that the finance for the stadium was not contingent on the sainsbury's case but that they would let the court case appeal reach it's conclusion anyway. I recall that because it struck me as a bold thing for him to say where previously he had been quite careful with wording. Damned if I can find that article now though, the most I can find attributed to him is that "this club NEEDS a new stadium." I found this. www.itv.com/news/west/2016-06-13/bristol-rovers-making-excellent-progress-on-new-stadium/The last couple of paras says Wael stated the appeal outcome has no bearing on the UWE. Reading that article, it's amazing how within 2 years someone can go from strutting peacock to ..i dunno....a pigeon!
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Post by aghast on Nov 24, 2018 22:01:42 GMT
I suspect that as well, however Wael was I think quoted as saying that finance was not a problem in getting UWE off the ground. Methinks this was complete BS. Yeah I recall similar- I did some research after the collapse of the UWE deal out of interest to see what he actually said following the takeover, I recall reading him say that the finance for the stadium was not contingent on the sainsbury's case but that they would let the court case appeal reach it's conclusion anyway. I recall that because it struck me as a bold thing for him to say where previously he had been quite careful with wording. Damned if I can find that article now though, the most I can find attributed to him is that "this club NEEDS a new stadium." He said this in the Guardian just over two years ago: Whatever their wealth – last week the Bristol Evening Post estimated the Qadi family are worth closer to £400m – it seems safe to say that Rovers’ monetary problems are a thing of the past and that they will never have a better chance of finally moving to a new home. Rovers have planning permission for a 21,700-seat stadium at the University of the West of England (UWE) and, crucially, with the Qadi family involved, it is no longer dependent on finding a buyer for the current ground, as was the case in the past, when Sainsbury’s controversially pulled out and everything fell through. “A new stadium has to be built. We cannot be sustainable if we stay at the Memorial,” Qadi says. “But we inherited this situation and we did find some issues which we had to address, and it takes time because UWE are a public institution; it’s not a private company where the CEO can say: ‘Let’s get rid of this condition.’ We hired Ernst & Young, they’re doing the feasibility study and they should be done very soon, so it’s a gradual process. But if we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen.” www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/31/his-bodyguard-looked-like-he-wanted-to-kill-me-abramovichs-german-ambush
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Post by Jomo on Nov 24, 2018 22:18:11 GMT
Yeah I recall similar- I did some research after the collapse of the UWE deal out of interest to see what he actually said following the takeover, I recall reading him say that the finance for the stadium was not contingent on the sainsbury's case but that they would let the court case appeal reach it's conclusion anyway. I recall that because it struck me as a bold thing for him to say where previously he had been quite careful with wording. Damned if I can find that article now though, the most I can find attributed to him is that "this club NEEDS a new stadium." He said this in the Guardian just over two years ago: Whatever their wealth – last week the Bristol Evening Post estimated the Qadi family are worth closer to £400m – it seems safe to say that Rovers’ monetary problems are a thing of the past and that they will never have a better chance of finally moving to a new home. Rovers have planning permission for a 21,700-seat stadium at the University of the West of England (UWE) and, crucially, with the Qadi family involved, it is no longer dependent on finding a buyer for the current ground, as was the case in the past, when Sainsbury’s controversially pulled out and everything fell through. “A new stadium has to be built. We cannot be sustainable if we stay at the Memorial,” Qadi says. “But we inherited this situation and we did find some issues which we had to address, and it takes time because UWE are a public institution; it’s not a private company where the CEO can say: ‘Let’s get rid of this condition.’ We hired Ernst & Young, they’re doing the feasibility study and they should be done very soon, so it’s a gradual process. But if we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen.” www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/31/his-bodyguard-looked-like-he-wanted-to-kill-me-abramovichs-german-ambush Nice digging there aghast, I knew I remembered reading this before. So what has happened since then? Family lost interest or they were just stupid not realising how much these projects were going to cost? Neither of these are excusable in my eyes.
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