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Post by completewingback on Dec 14, 2018 7:41:58 GMT
Yeah really hard to get promoted out of the conference with a club our size.... p.s you sensitive people - this was a joke Your "joke" (or should I say mean-spirited, clueless statement turned into a joke to save face after being refuted) was stupid so we're responding to it. Sensitive yourself mate.
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Post by completewingback on Dec 14, 2018 7:43:42 GMT
How it can be balls? Trollope one promotion with Lennie Lawrence, Darrel Clarke two promotions as a rookie manager! Straight forward facts. Trollope one promotion, one JPT Final, one FA Cup Quarter Final. Clarke two promotions and one relegation. Straight forward facts. You know what's even more straightfoward? John Ward set DC up to fall.
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Post by lympstonegas on Dec 14, 2018 7:49:21 GMT
Yeah really hard to get promoted out of the conference with a club our size.... Just f*ck off - obviously somebody who could never give DC credit when it was rightly deserved. Ungrateful prick. Omg Tilly .... and breathe........
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Post by gasforeverman on Dec 14, 2018 8:03:33 GMT
Dc. straight talking honest non bullshitter with integrity and vision. What do the Upper management of brfc have? .................
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2018 8:14:26 GMT
Trollope one promotion, one JPT Final, one FA Cup Quarter Final. Clarke two promotions and one relegation. Straight forward facts. You know what's even more straightfoward? John Ward set DC up to fall. In addition; Trollope: Took what we already had. Rode on the management skills on Lennie Lawrence. As soon as he left, in relegation immediately. DC: Built an entire squad from scratch. Did everything himself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 8:28:10 GMT
You know what's even more straightfoward? John Ward set DC up to fall. In addition; Trollope: Took what we already had. Rode on the management skills on Lennie Lawrence. As soon as he left, in relegation immediately. DC: Built an entire squad from scratch. Did everything himself. Factually incorrect. Took what we had? Phillips, Green, Anthony, Jacobson, Lambert all played a big role in our success under PT and were recruited with him at the helm. PT undoubtedly played a key role in Lambert's development too. He left us in the relegation zone on goal difference with 22 points from 19 games. DC leaves us with 17 points from 21 games. People can harp on about the influence of LL, but our form since the departure of Steve Yates suggests he played a big role in that coaching setup.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2018 9:57:02 GMT
In addition; Trollope: Took what we already had. Rode on the management skills on Lennie Lawrence. As soon as he left, in relegation immediately. DC: Built an entire squad from scratch. Did everything himself. Factually incorrect. Took what we had? Phillips, Green, Anthony, Jacobson, Lambert all played a big role in our success under PT and were recruited with him at the helm. PT undoubtedly played a key role in Lambert's development too. He left us in the relegation zone on goal difference with 22 points from 19 games. DC leaves us with 17 points from 21 games. People can harp on about the influence of LL, but our form since the departure of Steve Yates suggests he played a big role in that coaching setup. My apologies on the players. Although we all know Lambert wasn't signed by Trollope, he was signed by Dunford & the board members. And with that exception of Lambert, where did they all go on to play? If these were his best signings, it was the highest point of their careers. Bodin, Harrison & Taylor make a mockery of players like Ryan Green. DC has managed 2 clubs and been successful with both. PT failed without LL. People harp about LL because LL "appointed first-team coach in a two-tier managerial structure". PT also failed at every single management job he's had since. I see you point on Yates, however clearly the problem isn't the defence as we have one of the best defences in in League & until Doncaster, in the best 3. DC is a much better manager than PT.
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Post by stapletongas on Dec 14, 2018 10:23:28 GMT
I will never forget DC going on 20man the week after relegation from the EFL when everything was incredibly raw and fronted it up with the fans. He then went on with an impassioned speech about all his plans to turn the club around on and off the pitch and how he would create a club the players gave a damn, played football worth watching and gave the fans a club to be proud of. Boy did he deliver. Everything he said that night on the radio went on to happen. After the 2nd promotion, I asked Geoff 20man if he still had that interview in the archives and sadly they didn't, because it would have made interesting listening. The most honest, hard working, dedicated and successful Bristol Rovers manager in my lifetime. I doubt I will every see another like him. In my opinion he was the only man to get us out of this mess, but I hope I'm wrong. DC, words are not enough to express thanks. Imagine the current owners showing the balls and leadership that Darrell showed after relegation. What a legend. Exactly. At that time, all directors and club officials went into hiding. DC went to the people. The bloke should be bronzed!
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Post by baggins on Dec 14, 2018 12:09:25 GMT
Just f*ck off - obviously somebody who could never give DC credit when it was rightly deserved. Ungrateful prick. Blimey. Don't f**k with Tilly on a day like this. Probably a week.
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Post by baggins on Dec 14, 2018 12:17:13 GMT
Imagine the current owners showing the balls and leadership that Darrell showed after relegation. What a legend. Exactly. At that time, all directors and club officials went into hiding. DC went to the people. The bloke should be bronzed! That's gotta hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 12:19:59 GMT
Factually incorrect. Took what we had? Phillips, Green, Anthony, Jacobson, Lambert all played a big role in our success under PT and were recruited with him at the helm. PT undoubtedly played a key role in Lambert's development too. He left us in the relegation zone on goal difference with 22 points from 19 games. DC leaves us with 17 points from 21 games. People can harp on about the influence of LL, but our form since the departure of Steve Yates suggests he played a big role in that coaching setup. My apologies on the players. Although we all know Lambert wasn't signed by Trollope, he was signed by Dunford & the board members. And with that exception of Lambert, where did they all go on to play? If these were his best signings, it was the highest point of their careers. Bodin, Harrison & Taylor make a mockery of players like Ryan Green. DC has managed 2 clubs and been successful with both. PT failed without LL. People harp about LL because LL "appointed first-team coach in a two-tier managerial structure". PT also failed at every single management job he's had since. I see you point on Yates, however clearly the problem isn't the defence as we have one of the best defences in in League & until Doncaster, in the best 3. DC is a much better manager than PT. I'm sure PT played a big part in the Lambert deal and it wasn't against his wishes. Let's not forget DC inherited Harrison. Clearly they did a good job with him but the highest point of his career may well turn out to be with us. Time will tell. Bodin and Taylor clearly worked out but there are plenty of signings over the last few years which haven't. Notably the £500k front duo of Nicholls and Payne. If DC was sacked after the defeat at Altringham, as many called for, he would have gone down as a dreadful appointment. Fortunately he got the time after! PT has managed 12 matches since he left us which clearly didn't go well. I strongly suspect the same thing would have happened if DC had taken the Leeds gig at the time.
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Post by gonzales on Dec 14, 2018 12:21:09 GMT
He’ll always be one of my heroes, not purely based on the success with us but his personality and character. I think I actually feel grief now he’s gone, and I’ll always associate the 13th of December with DC. How lucky we were to have him, I’m very thankful - and looking forward to following his career as consolation.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 14, 2018 12:22:46 GMT
My apologies on the players. Although we all know Lambert wasn't signed by Trollope, he was signed by Dunford & the board members. And with that exception of Lambert, where did they all go on to play? If these were his best signings, it was the highest point of their careers. Bodin, Harrison & Taylor make a mockery of players like Ryan Green. DC has managed 2 clubs and been successful with both. PT failed without LL. People harp about LL because LL "appointed first-team coach in a two-tier managerial structure". PT also failed at every single management job he's had since. I see you point on Yates, however clearly the problem isn't the defence as we have one of the best defences in in League & until Doncaster, in the best 3. DC is a much better manager than PT. I'm sure PT played a big part in the Lambert deal and it wasn't against his wishes. Let's not forget DC inherited Harrison. Clearly they did a good job with him but the highest point of his career may well turn out to be with us. Time will tell. Bodin and Taylor clearly worked out but there are plenty of signings over the last few years which haven't. Notably the £500k front duo of Nicholls and Payne. If DC was sacked after the defeat at Altringham, as many called for, he would have gone down as a dreadful appointment. Fortunately he got the time after! PT has managed 12 matches since he left us which clearly didn't go well. I strongly suspect the same thing would have happened if DC had taken the Leeds gig at the time. Fair enough, difference for me though is that PT never made it at the other clubs. This (for me) shows it was the right thing. Perhaps we should have given him more time, but I don't believe that PT would have taken us back up from L2. I do believe that DC would take us back up from L2 though. I do agree on DC at Leeds though, I reckon he wouldn't have made it there.
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Post by oviedista on Dec 14, 2018 12:27:17 GMT
Let's not make this a DC v Trollope debate. Both deserve credit of what they achieved.
What remains to be seen is whether DC's deep changes to attitude and professionalism outlives him (fitness levels have been a big part of DC teams). The drinking et al going on and the won't try for another manager (Penny) was Troll's legacy (which continued until DC). See also Lambert losing a stone in weight after he joint Saints (how much better might have been for us with a proper fitness regime at the club?).
If this teams puts in a shift for the next manager - we might well still have DC to thank.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 14, 2018 12:55:45 GMT
Yeah really hard to get promoted out of the conference with a club our size.... p.s you sensitive people - this was a joke sh** joke can we ban this basket case?
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Post by kylegas on Dec 14, 2018 13:00:10 GMT
I sir tip my hat off to you,and thank you for everything you have done for this club.Our greatest, and the most honest manager in our history - and I stand up to give you the biggest round of applause ever for this.... 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Amazing the difference in how DC and Trollope are perceived, despite essentially failing at the same hurdle. Really sorry to see him go though. Such a good point!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 14, 2018 13:01:08 GMT
How it can be balls? Trollope one promotion with Lennie Lawrence, Darrel Clarke two promotions as a rookie manager! Straight forward facts. Trollope one promotion, one JPT Final, one FA Cup Quarter Final. Clarke two promotions and one relegation. Straight forward facts. Lol I appreciate Trolls and I'm usually the one sticking up for what he achieved but DC is levels above. You said DC couldn't stick a team together to compete in league one but if it wasn't for Matty being sold we could well have been talking back to back to back promotions.
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 14, 2018 13:10:13 GMT
Trollope one promotion, one JPT Final, one FA Cup Quarter Final. Clarke two promotions and one relegation. Straight forward facts. Lol I appreciate Trolls and I'm usually the one sticking up for what he achieved but DC is levels above. You said DC couldn't stick a team together to compete in league one but if it wasn't for Matty being sold we could well have been talking back to back to back promotions. Agree. It's a shame we haven't got forward thinking owners.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 14:11:04 GMT
Yeah really hard to get promoted out of the conference with a club our size.... p.s you sensitive people - this was a joke sh** joke can we ban this basket case? yes go ahead!
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Post by toobluee on Dec 14, 2018 15:10:21 GMT
Dc. straight talking honest non bullshitter with integrity and vision. What do the Upper management of brfc have? ................. non bullshitter ? He clarified everything we already knew and if half of you actually listened to his interviews (genuinely listened) you'd hear how often he changed what he was saying relative to the budget .. dependant on results etc, but it all falls on deaf ears and you only hear what you want to hear, I implore you to listen back over his interviews in the last 18 months.
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