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Post by axegas on Jan 3, 2019 17:24:33 GMT
The fact that he was so average was the reason we really miss him. He had that consistency that none of our other fullbacks have had, Kelly has been decent but in truth we have struggled to replace him. On of those scenarios where we didn't truly realise how important he was to the team until he was gone. Do you remember that he was getting dropped too ? Check back on his appearances - he lost his place to Bola. Not saying Bola is good cos he isn't but I think it's easy to forget and think oh Browner's now at high-riding Pompey we've balled up there. Many fans around me on East terrace could see he was struggling defensively and supporting attacks ( who knows maybe it was a motivational thing and he needed a new challenge) even when we were doing ok in the league. He only lost his place to Bola because he was having off the field issues in his final season at the club something which could have been affecting his performances too, DC confirmed this in his interview after he had left the club. He was always a good defender and an asset to the team though, I’d have him back in an instant. Fair play for making a move to Pompey, it’s kickstarted a career which was probably stagnanting with us.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 3, 2019 17:31:45 GMT
really ? tell me more. Funny how he's apparently flying at Pompey, isn't it !?
Don't you rate Kelly ? He's pretty young and looks a great prospect. Great left foot, gets up and down the pitch and keeps his composure.
Anyway, losing Brown isn't the reason why we've struggled this season, is it ?
We have a soft under belly down the middle of the team - we desperately need a commanding CH who head balls with intent to push teams back and we need a big, mobile guy up front to help Jakubiak or Reilly feed off of him. With those 2 players we could be a top 6 team next season.
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 3, 2019 18:05:34 GMT
really ? tell me more. Funny how he's apparently flying at Pompey, isn't it !? Don't you rate Kelly ? He's pretty young and looks a great prospect. Great left foot, gets up and down the pitch and keeps his composure. Anyway, losing Brown isn't the reason why we've struggled this season, is it ? We have a soft under belly down the middle of the team - we desperately need a commanding CH who head balls with intent to push teams back and we need a big, mobile guy up front to help Jakubiak or Reilly feed off of him. With those 2 players we could be a top 6 team next season. browns been dropped lately,most the goals they have conceded have been down the left Will struggle in championship
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 3, 2019 18:26:58 GMT
He has featured in 25 of their 26 League matches and both their FA Cup matches.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 3, 2019 18:29:02 GMT
Can't compete now. If we would have bid the £750,000 in the summer though, we might have got him before Championship clubs came knocking. A) He probably wouldn't have come B) The idea that a low/mid table L1 club losing millions each year would pay that kind of money for a single player is quite ridiculous. Never was or is likely to happen. Be realistic people. Why wouldn't be have come?? Not far from Exeter, he would have probably doubled his wages and been playing in a higher league. I agree it's unlikely we will spend that amount, of we did and he did well, we could have made a profit in him anyway though. Plus how much did we waiste on Nichols and Payne?
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Post by Gassy on Jan 3, 2019 18:35:44 GMT
I don't think we've received a fair price for our top players since Lambert. I said it after Lee Brown left for free & got slated for it but I've seen a few posts that started turning since, but for some reason we've been poor at managing the contracts of our players for the last few years. Not sure if it is at board level or management. But some of the players we've let go at a fraction of their cost is a day light robbery. Lee Brown a great servant for Gas but he was Jo average in L1 for previous 2 seasons. Suddenly, Portsmouth are top and loads on here are writing what a brilliant player he is !?? Can’t talk about others’ opinions on Brown, but I always thought he was a good L1 LB. With us, he was nothing more. But oh how we’ve missed average L1 players for most of this season. But also, tbf Brown has been in the team of the season in L1, so it’s only natural people would miss him.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 3, 2019 19:00:31 GMT
Even the lambert fee was awful, he was easily worth double that, at the least. We received 2 million for Gareth Taylor, ten years previous. Barry Hayles, last player to get a decent fee for. Lambert went for about 1.5m in the end I believe? In that market, I think that was a fair price. We could all see he'd be a good Championship goalscorer - just who knew that 3 years later he'd be top English scorer in the Prem & in the World Cup squad in Brazil?! just about fair, yes I’d forgotten about the sale on clause👍🏽
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 3, 2019 19:01:07 GMT
BBC Football report Jaydon Stockley gone to Preston on 3 1/2 year deal, fee of 750k. Exeter are reported to have received in excess of 6m in transfer fees over the last 4 years. How will we ever compete with that ? it is simple, the Grecian's develop youngsters and actually give them a chance in the first team, those boys get better with experience and bigger clubs come a knocking. Rovers simply do not give youngsters a chance in the first team, Rovers could compete, but DC did not have the minerals to give any promising lad say a run of 10 games in the first team. What the **** is going to come out of the U23 set up, certainly no local talent, I would have liked to have seen Lewis Leigh-Gilchrist given a run in the side, Bristol lad, his brother played for Man Utd as a youngster and now plays for Portsmouth. Rueben Reid, Bristol lad, went to WBA as a youngster, the list goes on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 3, 2019 19:30:01 GMT
BBC Football report Jaydon Stockley gone to Preston on 3 1/2 year deal, fee of 750k. Exeter are reported to have received in excess of 6m in transfer fees over the last 4 years. How will we ever compete with that ? it is simple, the Grecian's develop youngsters and actually give them a chance in the first team, those boys get better with experience and bigger clubs come a knocking. Rovers simply do not give youngsters a chance in the first team, Rovers could compete, but DC did not have the minerals to give any promising lad say a run of 10 games in the first team. What the **** is going to come out of the U23 set up, certainly no local talent, I would have liked to have seen Lewis Leigh-Gilchrist given a run in the side, Bristol lad, his brother played for Man Utd as a youngster and now plays for Portsmouth. Rueben Reid, Bristol lad, went to WBA as a youngster, the list goes on. LL-G's just joined the mighty Truro who got thrashed by Torquay on NYD, he hardly seems ready for Div 1 football, the only players really ready are Russe & Rollin but who's going to be brave enough to drop Lines/Upson or Craig/Locks to play one of those for 10 games in a relegation battle?
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Post by rosssgb on Jan 4, 2019 0:59:50 GMT
Dear Exeter Chairman,
Please use some of (if not all) the £750,000 gained from this sale to buy Tom Nichols, bring him home.
We would be eternally greatful.
Yours sincerely,
Bristol Rovers fans around the world
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 1:32:13 GMT
really ? tell me more. Funny how he's apparently flying at Pompey, isn't it !? Don't you rate Kelly ? He's pretty young and looks a great prospect. Great left foot, gets up and down the pitch and keeps his composure. Anyway, losing Brown isn't the reason why we've struggled this season, is it ? We have a soft under belly down the middle of the team - we desperately need a commanding CH who head balls with intent to push teams back and we need a big, mobile guy up front to help Jakubiak or Reilly feed off of him. With those 2 players we could be a top 6 team next season. browns been dropped lately,most the goals they have conceded have been down the left Will struggle in championship He has started 25 of their 26 league games. Not making things up are you?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 4, 2019 9:21:16 GMT
it is simple, the Grecian's develop youngsters and actually give them a chance in the first team, those boys get better with experience and bigger clubs come a knocking. Rovers simply do not give youngsters a chance in the first team, Rovers could compete, but DC did not have the minerals to give any promising lad say a run of 10 games in the first team. What the **** is going to come out of the U23 set up, certainly no local talent, I would have liked to have seen Lewis Leigh-Gilchrist given a run in the side, Bristol lad, his brother played for Man Utd as a youngster and now plays for Portsmouth. Rueben Reid, Bristol lad, went to WBA as a youngster, the list goes on. LL-G's just joined the mighty Truro who got thrashed by Torquay on NYD, he hardly seems ready for Div 1 football, the only players really ready are Russe & Rollin but who's going to be brave enough to drop Lines/Upson or Craig/Locks to play one of those for 10 games in a relegation battle? I am not sure you can blame Lewis for a defeat Truro happened to have against mighty Torquay. Your point does underline another Bristol lad not being given first team football at Rovers. Exeter City put the youngsters in their first team, they do not farm them out to the mighty Yate, mighty Mangotsfield, etc. ... That is why their youngsters with experience get sold on for £millions, and we have no youngsters in recent seasons who have got close to having a 10 game run in the first team. Russe & Rollin are currently and probably never will be close to the Rovers first team. Lines coming to the end of his career, made no impression when he came off the bench against Burton, Upson similar has not pulled up trees this season, Craig at Rovers topping up is pension, could easily be replaced and certainly not missed, ffs Geoff 20Man was a better centre half than Craig, Lockyer is the exception, he is Mr undroppable, whether he plays good or bad will always be picked, although I cannot rememberthe last time Lockyer actually out jumped an attacking centre forward to win a ball in the air. So why not have the bollocks to give youngsters a chance ?? Exeter City have a nice training ground at the Cat & Fiddle, a better ground than ourselves, they are run by a group of supporters and make millions of pounds, we have a bullshitter of a owner, sh** ground, no training facilities of our own and apparently no money, who has the best business model, ???hmm
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 4, 2019 9:23:58 GMT
I don't think we've received a fair price for our top players since Lambert. I said it after Lee Brown left for free & got slated for it but I've seen a few posts that started turning since, but for some reason we've been poor at managing the contracts of our players for the last few years. Not sure if it is at board level or management. But some of the players we've let go at a fraction of their cost is a day light robbery. It's to do with the length of contract that we have been giving our players, under DC we have been offering 2 year contracts out which means that if the player does well in the first year of his contract, we then have to offer them a new contract in the second year of the original contract when their stock is high and that gives the player time to shop around and have the upper hand in negotiations and if these do not work, we are forced sell with 6 months left on their contract which means we get a fraction of their true value. Peterborough and a lot of other clubs give 3 or 4 year contracts to players they believe will command value in the future and also add extension clauses in. This means when they have a good season, the club's are not forced into to selling them which means they can set big valuations on the player and have them for longer. There is benefit to having shorter contracts as it keeps every player on their toes and fighting to earn a new contract, which is probably a good thing for a squad as a whole and it also means that clubs can easily get underperforming players off their wage bill as they won't be tied into 4 years contracts (imagine if Nichols and Payne had 4 year contracts on good money but didn't want to leave) however I've always argued that if you think a player will have value down the line ie they are young and performing to a high standard or they come with an impressive reputation, I would rather the player was given a 3 or 4 year contract so we could properly reap the reward of having good players representing our club later on. Originally the way DC did it was for the best after so many years of signing rubbish journeymen on big long contracts. The likes of Taylor and Bodin would have had their contracts renewed at least once whilst with us but maybe apart from their first seasons with us, we knew they were good/top players for us so they should have been offered much longer contracts. The Harrison situation was a little differnent as he only really had one good season. Remember a lot of people couldn’t believe he was offferd a new deal before his last season with us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 15:36:32 GMT
Dear Exeter Chairman, Please use some of (if not all) the £750,000 gained from this sale to buy Tom Nichols, bring him home. We would be eternally greatful. Yours sincerely, Bristol Rovers fans around the world Another £250k in the bank as Ampadou has triggered this by starting his tenth game for Chelsea today. Perhaps they could use this to buy Nichols.
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Post by pirate on Jan 5, 2019 20:36:19 GMT
LL-G's just joined the mighty Truro who got thrashed by Torquay on NYD, he hardly seems ready for Div 1 football, the only players really ready are Russe & Rollin but who's going to be brave enough to drop Lines/Upson or Craig/Locks to play one of those for 10 games in a relegation battle? I am not sure you can blame Lewis for a defeat Truro happened to have against mighty Torquay. Your point does underline another Bristol lad not being given first team football at Rovers. Exeter City put the youngsters in their first team, they do not farm them out to the mighty Yate, mighty Mangotsfield, etc. ... That is why their youngsters with experience get sold on for £millions, and we have no youngsters in recent seasons who have got close to having a 10 game run in the first team. Russe & Rollin are currently and probably never will be close to the Rovers first team. Lines coming to the end of his career, made no impression when he came off the bench against Burton, Upson similar has not pulled up trees this season, Craig at Rovers topping up is pension, could easily be replaced and certainly not missed, ffs Geoff 20Man was a better centre half than Craig, Lockyer is the exception, he is Mr undroppable, whether he plays good or bad will always be picked, although I cannot rememberthe last time Lockyer actually out jumped an attacking centre forward to win a ball in the air. So why not have the bollocks to give youngsters a chance ?? Exeter City have a nice training ground at the Cat & Fiddle, a better ground than ourselves, they are run by a group of supporters and make millions of pounds, we have a bullshitter of a owner, sh** ground, no training facilities of our own and apparently no money, who has the best business model, ???hmm Exeter loaned Jordan Storey (now at Preston) to Bideford, Tiverton Town and Dorchester Town. Ollie Watkins (now Brentford) spent half a season at Weston-super-Mare and one of their best current prospects, Jack Sparkes, has spent time this season on loan at Chippenham Town. All those moves significantly aided their development I'm sure.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 6, 2019 10:24:14 GMT
I’m glad that Stockley is going to make it at a higher level, or at least have a proper chance to do so. He was the original young white hope at Bournemouth nearly 10 years ago. I remember him being signed on the pitch whilst he was still at school. I saw most if his early matches for Bournemouth, he made his debut on a school day and everyone thought he would be a star. But then Bournemouth started being good and when that happens the bar for young players rises very quickly and at that time he didn’t really fit the Eddie H way of playing. He must have been loaned out to 7/8 clubs including Exeter and Pompey (he scored against us in Sept 15 I think) before being signed by Aberdeen after 6 years at Bournemouth.
It’s a shame he’s not with us but with the state of our recruitment and scouting it isn’t surprising as we always seem to miss the opportunity to sign players when it would be the best time to do so. We probably notice them and perhaps even enquire about them when it’s obvious that they are going to someone much higher. Stockley probably joins a list of Mo Eisa, Watkins at Brentford, Doidge at Bolton and Oztumer at Bolton. The time to take a punt was a club earlier but I guess if there’s no actual scouting system then you don’t notice them! Hey ho!
Stockley has earned his promotion because he’s kept plugging away and went on loan at an early age to get himself playing time. Good luck to him. UTG!
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