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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 21:02:57 GMT
I agree with him that if i had my way id probably get rid of the lot of them and start again. But that doesn't help us now. We need 3 or 4 signings and the only way that will happen is if Wael opens his wallet to donate some funds. If not, we're down. As simple as that. Fortunately a lot are out of contract in the summer, but if they are playing for a contract, here or elsewhere, then they are going the wrong way about it. Some of them are nothing short of a disgrace and literally not fit to wear the shirt. Exactly this. When ward came in he brought in 4 very good capable L2 players. Completely messed it up the next year mind but I remember JJOT and Matt Lund coming in and playing with real purpose.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2019 21:04:31 GMT
Payne is one. That description is probably unfair on the rest, they just aren't good enough. I just don't understand Payne. Why won't he play? Look at his life's record in football. It is very, very average. Not sure why anyone thinks we signed a diamond. All the evidence suggested it was a panic buy of a Lge 2 level player.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2019 21:08:08 GMT
I'm a bit in two minds over these comments. On the one hand I'm glad he's telling it straight and that's what we fans appreciate, call a spade a spade, if it's sh** then it is indeed sh**. However he talks of needing to manage the players carefully, and yet any player with half a brain can see that it's empty words and he's contradicting himself. I'm not sure this is even a bad thing to be honest as players ought to be man enough to face up to when they've let themselves, the club and the fans down. If they're not strong enough though, the sort of "they were sh** and it was their fault, but I'll take the blame" and "they were sh** but they're too weak to take criticism so I'll tell them it was my fault"? Surely those are totally contradictory statements that do indeed call out the players, which it seems he doesn't want to do? I really hope he can turn this around, and perhaps today may end up being a blessing in disguise, as it shows we definitely need new faces, when previously GC and CH seemed to be fairly easy going about either way. I've just read his comments. Bottom line is that if you stick a microphone under the nose of most red blooded men after a bad performance you will get a speech like that. Not sure it always needs a huge analysis. Football is a spectacle and these in the heat of the moment interviews are part of the 'game'.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 19, 2019 21:08:43 GMT
It's going to take months to unpick the mess DC left. The problem is we don't have months. It would be perfect if we could unload Craig, Payne and Nicholls in this window just can't see it happening. Their wages would get some decent loans in.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 19, 2019 21:11:01 GMT
I think Cogs identifies his own problem in his interview and is possibly the polar opposite of what Clarke was, where DC changed too much, Cogs hasn’t changed a thing, except when forced through injury/illness and that can be equally as distructive. Ollie Clarke and Upson weren’t great against Burton, were awful against Accrington and terrible today, as well as all season. By contrast Lines and Sinclair have done well when they came in. So why are they keeping their starting shirts?... I know what you mean. Just for info... Stu has had concussion & had to follow protocol.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 19, 2019 21:14:48 GMT
I think Cogs identifies his own problem in his interview and is possibly the polar opposite of what Clarke was, where DC changed too much, Cogs hasn’t changed a thing, except when forced through injury/illness and that can be equally as distructive. Ollie Clarke and Upson weren’t great against Burton, were awful against Accrington and terrible today, as well as all season. By contrast Lines and Sinclair have done well when they came in. So why are they keeping their starting shirts? Payne has been terrible, worse than Nichols and Reilly all season, and gets the nod to start or is preferred to be a sub. He’s an absolute carthorse, is unfit, overweight and out of his depth with a terrible attitude so why is he near the team? It's a bit harsh saying Clarke and Upson have been poor all season when they played in the wins at Walsall and Oxford, Lines in particular seems to be just going through the motions as we know he's capable of better. Our problem is TW or DC put such an unbalanced midfield together, OC, EU and SS are all similar so we've only the aging Lines as the play maker. Sercs just can't seem to hold down a CM role as he simply can't tackle. 3 or 4 games out of 22 is acceptable is it? The mean average would be 10-12 games and even then you would want improvement. Read what I wrote properly. Cogs said he would pick players who deserved to have won that shirt. Upson was terrible last week and against Burton and to be honest, wasn’t all that great against Oxford and yet he’s kept in the middle. He’s was absolute dog 💩 today and rightly got subbed. Craig, we’ll pass back to your keeper after dithering on the ball when he has 2 strikers rushing in on him and then the overhead kick in our own third which led to an attack and a plethora of shots thereafter. Same old from him and yet keeps the shirt. Clarke. Where is the player from the start of last year. Sincs needs to go in the middle again just to put some fight and energy there. Rodman, well, I’ve seen 2 good things from him all season. Put Leads there, at least he might be able to run past someone and go forwards instead of backwards or sideways. His crossing today, when he got the odd one in was worse than Leads after an 80 yard dash. The most bizarre thing also about today was bringing on Matthews and then playing a left footer, who is so left footed he may as well cut off his right, played on the right hand side, which made it even easier for their full back to get the tackle in. GC has got some serious thinking to do and the board need to get some fighters in ASAP.
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 19, 2019 21:38:50 GMT
GC referred to the Players reverting to type and driving the previous Manager bonkers. This implies trouble makers who do not give a toss about the Club that employs them and only show up when it suits them. Mutiny Mr Christian! Or could it have meant he was driven bonkers by inconsistency, inability to replicate training ground performance on matchday, freezing under pressure or inability to follow instructions? I guess it doesn't matter now as it will become Gaschat fact that the dressing room is full of bad apples. And that's their most endearing traits. if you have the time look back at the full game v Fleetwood near the end when there was a touchline rumpus involving Payne and just focus on Payne's behaviour which was questionable as he appeared to pulled his scarf up over his mouth, possibly to obscure his identity to re enter the fracas. Payne that day was an unused sub. I do not want people like that representing the Club. One bad apple is enough to infect the rest. Of course he could have been cold and justifiably upset.
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Post by bluestone on Jan 19, 2019 21:42:00 GMT
Will be very interesting to see the line up GC selects on Tuesday night.
Nothing to lose by bringing in as many development squad players as possible imo.
Menayese, Russe and Kavanah should definitely be given game time, pity Kilgour's loan has just been extended as I would put him up front as well. He couldn't do any worse than Payne!
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Post by aghast on Jan 19, 2019 22:15:11 GMT
Widdrington said a while ago a lot of the squad are out of contract in the summer, Bye Bye, that was dreadful today. We must be the only club who has a person in charge of player recruitment, yet don't sign any players.... Maybe that's in his job description.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:15:36 GMT
I'm a bit in two minds over these comments. On the one hand I'm glad he's telling it straight and that's what we fans appreciate, call a spade a spade, if it's sh** then it is indeed sh**. However he talks of needing to manage the players carefully, and yet any player with half a brain can see that it's empty words and he's contradicting himself. I'm not sure this is even a bad thing to be honest as players ought to be man enough to face up to when they've let themselves, the club and the fans down. If they're not strong enough though, the sort of "they were sh** and it was their fault, but I'll take the blame" and "they were sh** but they're too weak to take criticism so I'll tell them it was my fault"? Surely those are totally contradictory statements that do indeed call out the players, which it seems he doesn't want to do? I really hope he can turn this around, and perhaps today may end up being a blessing in disguise, as it shows we definitely need new faces, when previously GC and CH seemed to be fairly easy going about either way. It screams "Dave Penney" to me. Wonder who will lead the dressing room revolt this year? Sadly I had similar thoughts when reading his interview, hopefully this is not the case.
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Post by landrover on Jan 19, 2019 22:20:36 GMT
Just words, the problem is with most football managers, if you put a microphone in front of them they will talk until you stop them. For some reason, I presume it's ego, they're intent upon convincing us they're clever, sage like, have great insight and wisdom, when in reality they're like men trying to find a light switch in a darkened hotel bedroom...clueless. you could actually be describing the modern fan. I blame Neville and Carragher personally.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2019 22:40:07 GMT
It's a bit harsh saying Clarke and Upson have been poor all season when they played in the wins at Walsall and Oxford, Lines in particular seems to be just going through the motions as we know he's capable of better. Our problem is TW or DC put such an unbalanced midfield together, OC, EU and SS are all similar so we've only the aging Lines as the play maker. Sercs just can't seem to hold down a CM role as he simply can't tackle. 3 or 4 games out of 22 is acceptable is it? The mean average would be 10-12 games and even then you would want improvement. Read what I wrote properly. Cogs said he would pick players who deserved to have won that shirt. Upson was terrible last week and against Burton and to be honest, wasn’t all that great against Oxford and yet he’s kept in the middle. He’s was absolute dog 💩 today and rightly got subbed. Craig, we’ll pass back to your keeper after dithering on the ball when he has 2 strikers rushing in on him and then the overhead kick in our own third which led to an attack and a plethora of shots thereafter. Same old from him and yet keeps the shirt. Clarke. Where is the player from the start of last year. Sincs needs to go in the middle again just to put some fight and energy there. Rodman, well, I’ve seen 2 good things from him all season. Put Leads there, at least he might be able to run past someone and go forwards instead of backwards or sideways. His crossing today, when he got the odd one in was worse than Leads after an 80 yard dash. The most bizarre thing also about today was bringing on Matthews and then playing a left footer, who is so left footed he may as well cut off his right, played on the right hand side, which made it even easier for their full back to get the tackle in. GC has got some serious thinking to do and the board need to get some fighters in ASAP. Where's your post on the match thread before the game saying drop Upson, mines on there saying we lack creativity with him & OC in the team, as far as playing Sincs pretty sure he's still injured. Not sure you can blame Craig for out present problems as if Locks had marked the goal scorer we'd have most likely kept 4 consecutive clean sheets. Rodman had our only two decent attempts on goal today so not sure why he's being singled out. GC's hand were tied when it came to subs as Sercs was missing and it seems he's trying to force Bennett out.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 19, 2019 22:42:37 GMT
3 or 4 games out of 22 is acceptable is it? The mean average would be 10-12 games and even then you would want improvement. Read what I wrote properly. Cogs said he would pick players who deserved to have won that shirt. Upson was terrible last week and against Burton and to be honest, wasn’t all that great against Oxford and yet he’s kept in the middle. He’s was absolute dog 💩 today and rightly got subbed. Craig, we’ll pass back to your keeper after dithering on the ball when he has 2 strikers rushing in on him and then the overhead kick in our own third which led to an attack and a plethora of shots thereafter. Same old from him and yet keeps the shirt. Clarke. Where is the player from the start of last year. Sincs needs to go in the middle again just to put some fight and energy there. Rodman, well, I’ve seen 2 good things from him all season. Put Leads there, at least he might be able to run past someone and go forwards instead of backwards or sideways. His crossing today, when he got the odd one in was worse than Leads after an 80 yard dash. The most bizarre thing also about today was bringing on Matthews and then playing a left footer, who is so left footed he may as well cut off his right, played on the right hand side, which made it even easier for their full back to get the tackle in. GC has got some serious thinking to do and the board need to get some fighters in ASAP. Where's your post on the match thread before the game saying drop Upson, mines on there saying we lack creativity with him & OC in the team, as far as playing Sincs pretty sure he's still injured. Not sure you can blame Craig for out present problems as if Locks had marked the goal scorer we'd have most likely kept 4 consecutive clean sheets. Rodman had our only two decent attempts on goal today so not sure why he's being singled out. GC's hand were tied when it came to subs as Sercs was missing and it seems he's trying to force Bennett out. A some on here may know I have never rated Bennett since he came to the club a year ago, but even now I am thinking we should play him more. That is how desperate the situation it is getting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:48:38 GMT
Where's your post on the match thread before the game saying drop Upson, mines on there saying we lack creativity with him & OC in the team, as far as playing Sincs pretty sure he's still injured. Not sure you can blame Craig for out present problems as if Locks had marked the goal scorer we'd have most likely kept 4 consecutive clean sheets. Rodman had our only two decent attempts on goal today so not sure why he's being singled out. GC's hand were tied when it came to subs as Sercs was missing and it seems he's trying to force Bennett out. A some on here may know I have never rated Bennett since he came to the club a year ago, but even now I am thinking we should play him more. That is how desperate the situation it is getting. If Bennett is the answer I would rather leave the question hanging
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 19, 2019 22:52:49 GMT
A some on here may know I have never rated Bennett since he came to the club a year ago, but even now I am thinking we should play him more. That is how desperate the situation it is getting. If Bennett is the answer I would rather leave the question hanging Occasionally he can beat his man though which is something different. Tough times.
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Post by Fat Albert on Jan 19, 2019 22:59:32 GMT
It’s always the same crap on this forum, plenty of people wise after the event and others itching to say I told you so. We are a poor club, in a poor stadium. We have a potentially big fan base but we lack the one single thing we need to push on. Money.
Every single argument on every single thread, one way or another boils down to money. There are no crazy gangs or Roy of the Rovers anymore. Money talks and bullsh#t walks. End of. Every now and again you might have a freak season where you unearth a rough diamond, but overall to have sustainable success you need cold hard cash.
It would appear we don’t have much of it. UTG
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 20, 2019 1:04:38 GMT
That miserable ass 1 tone interviewer sounded more confident than G.c.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 2:52:46 GMT
Where's your post on the match thread before the game saying drop Upson, mines on there saying we lack creativity with him & OC in the team, as far as playing Sincs pretty sure he's still injured. Not sure you can blame Craig for out present problems as if Locks had marked the goal scorer we'd have most likely kept 4 consecutive clean sheets. Rodman had our only two decent attempts on goal today so not sure why he's being singled out. GC's hand were tied when it came to subs as Sercs was missing and it seems he's trying to force Bennett out. A some on here may know I have never rated Bennett since he came to the club a year ago, but even now I am thinking we should play him more. That is how desperate the situation it is getting. I thought that,bennett's weakness is his final ball but at least he dosnt kick it anywhere with his first touch and is pretty easy to find with a pass.
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Post by pirate on Jan 20, 2019 3:04:52 GMT
If Bennett is the answer I would rather leave the question hanging Occasionally he can beat his man though which is something different. Tough times. What about Nathan Oduwa, reckon he could do a job for us until the end of the season? Available on a free.
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Post by blueridge on Jan 20, 2019 5:52:24 GMT
He clearly wants 3/4 players out of the club, but he's been left a whole pile of players just not good enough for this league and unfortunately I can see only one outcome. Anyway realistically, IMO the four out the for me now, are Bennett, Nicholls, Lines & Smith. If Sercombe is on his way, as seems likely, so be it. Seasons end will be a different story Partington, Craig, Mensah, Leadbitter, O Clarke and Sinclair - frightening really but It'll need to be done. Unfortunately there are others which he will probably be unable to get shot of - in effect a complete rebuild.
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