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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2019 8:49:42 GMT
That's your major take away from that game? Yes Lockyer should have done better for the goal but him and Craig won 90% of everything in the air yesterday. Kelly, the midfield 4 and Payne were much worse at doing their jobs. What are Lockyer and Craig meant to do when there's no movement in front of them and the ball keeps getting played back to them? I guess it's our center halves responsibility creating and scoring chances. My take is on the basis of commentary and the respected views of others, so I have to make it clear as I wasn't at the game. Of course I understand it is difficult to play good passes if no one is looking for the ball but it is, and has been, clear that Tom L needs a leader and organising player alongside him. Craig provides some of that organisation I think, but neither have the size or presence needed in this tough division. Your comment that they won 90% of aerial balls doesn't seem to fit with the impression via commentary or others views on here, but if you were there then I accept your point. I'm disappointed that Broadbent wasn't given more of a chance as I think he and Tom L, with Craig sweeping should have been an option - in away games at least. I'm sad to say that we do look doomed unless we get two or three key players in during the next 10 days. UTG Watching Match of the Day last night there's loads of defenders making mistake and costing teams goals, our problem is if we concede just one goal it's effectively game over. We probably need to replace Craig in the summer, unless Locks leaves but that's not a priority now.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 20, 2019 8:50:43 GMT
Locks cost us the goal? Regardless is a defenders job just to defend, or also play a part in starting off attacks? If somebody delivers a wicked in swinging corner to the far post there is every chance a goal will be scored. Dont matter if its lockyer or van dijk defending it. Sorry but I thought the goal was avoidable, if we’d at least been touch tight, we weren’t they scored. Sort of things you coach kids at an early age
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Post by simon1883 on Jan 20, 2019 9:10:51 GMT
So it looks like I missed a terrible match. I do worry for us going forward as a club.
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 20, 2019 10:15:58 GMT
So it looks like I missed a terrible match. The 2nd 45 minutes was terrible. The first 45 was worse. I still can`t believe either team managed to score a goal.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Jan 20, 2019 10:18:36 GMT
The only consolation yesterday is that Wimbledon and Bradford lost 1-4 and 0-4. Wycombe's style of play and a poor ref made it difficult for us, but we never looked like conceding many. If we can stay in touch with the teams above us and bring in some sort of goal threat, hopefully we can sneak enough results to keep us up. Peterborough up next who lost 4-0 today. Perhaps they will be more open and we can get at them. Let's not turn on GC after 1 bad performance. UTG
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Jan 20, 2019 10:20:56 GMT
That's your major take away from that game? Yes Lockyer should have done better for the goal but him and Craig won 90% of everything in the air yesterday. Kelly, the midfield 4 and Payne were much worse at doing their jobs. What are Lockyer and Craig meant to do when there's no movement in front of them and the ball keeps getting played back to them? I guess it's our center halves responsibility creating and scoring chances. My take is on the basis of commentary and the respected views of others, so I have to make it clear as I wasn't at the game. Of course I understand it is difficult to play good passes if no one is looking for the ball but it is, and has been, clear that Tom L needs a leader and organising player alongside him. Craig provides some of that organisation I think, but neither have the size or presence needed in this tough division. Your comment that they won 90% of aerial balls doesn't seem to fit with the impression via commentary or others views on here, but if you were there then I accept your point. I'm disappointed that Broadbent wasn't given more of a chance as I think he and Tom L, with Craig sweeping should have been an option - in away games at least. I'm sad to say that we do look doomed unless we get two or three key players in during the next 10 days. UTG They don't call me Opta for nothing.
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Post by gashead14140 on Jan 20, 2019 10:39:03 GMT
It’s there to be seen. League 2 was a struggle for Tom. Let’s play school ground games. Your opinion is evidently wrong. My dad is harder than your dad. Rubbish reply pal. Just like this 1. We just have a different opinion,i think lockyer is a tidy defender and you dont rate him. I dont think him and craig are exceptional i just believe they are decent and not the area of the pitch we need to strengthen right now. Your right my original reply was flippant,sorry about that. Did you even go to the game? Lockyer and Craig were awful, neither good enough for League One, why Broadbent was sold on is beyond me.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 20, 2019 11:14:51 GMT
Steve, agree with you about the game, and your view of James Clarke. Just wondering what you make of THD. I thought he looked good in the first few appearances but looked poor today. However he clearly isn't capable of playing 90 minutes which means he always needs to be subbed around 60-65 mins in. This leaves the manager with only 2 subs to effectively change a game. Is he good enough to always leave us short in that respect. Also I realised we haven't scored in the league this year. How do we change that without spending the non-existent cash we actually need? I think THD is a great player who yesterday had a poor game like a fair few others and suffered from a very poor service . The big problem is that we are playing the game like we have a tall natural targetman that we don't have. I can understand GC saying that it isn't going to be pretty but it still doesn't mean you have to play rubbish football without the players to play it. I think THD will be excellent at left back,his natural position and IMO a choice between him and Kelly has to be made and now is the time. This means that we have to get a new left sidsed player or play Bennett. What is very clear is that DC signed too many plain average players who are not really good enough for League 1 football.
As regards the lack of goalscoring (which has happened all season the problem is that we are not creating great chances and is just as much the problem of too much passing back and then hoofing. A lot criticise Upson but he is capable and always trys to pass forward and looks for the ball. The truth is that we were in a better place to get a forward in the summer than we are now. Who really wants to sign for a club third from the bottom. We should have gone all out to get Tom eaves or Delante Cole . It is hard to see where the goalscorer or creative player will come from in our position.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 20, 2019 11:20:04 GMT
Steve, agree with you about the game, and your view of James Clarke. Just wondering what you make of THD. I thought he looked good in the first few appearances but looked poor today. However he clearly isn't capable of playing 90 minutes which means he always needs to be subbed around 60-65 mins in. This leaves the manager with only 2 subs to effectively change a game. Is he good enough to always leave us short in that respect. Also I realised we haven't scored in the league this year. How do we change that without spending the non-existent cash we actually need? I think THD is a great player who yesterday had a poor game like a fair few others and suffered from a very poor service . The big problem is that we are playing the game like we have a tall natural targetman that we don't have. I can understand GC saying that it isn't going to be pretty but it still doesn't mean you have to play rubbish football without the players to play it. I think THD will be excellent at left back,his natural position and IMO a choice between him and Kelly has to be made and now is the time. This means that we have to get a new left sidsed player or play Bennett. What is very clear is that DC signed too many plain average players who are not really good enough for League 1 football. As regards the lack of goalscoring (which has happened all season the problem is that we are not creating great chances and is just as much the problem of too much passing back and then hoofing. A lot criticise Upson but he is capable and always trys to pass forward and looks for the ball. The truth is that we were in a better place to get a forward in the summer than we are now. Who really wants to sign for a club third from the bottom. We should have gone all out to get Tom eaves or Delante Cole . It is hard to see where the goalscorer or creative player will come from in our position. I would argue that point, think he's goes sideways and backwards a lot of the time. Him and Clarke in the middle together is too defensive at home. The truth is Upson, Rodman and Payne were 3 key signings that would determine our season. All 3 have been poor value and disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 11:33:38 GMT
If somebody delivers a wicked in swinging corner to the far post there is every chance a goal will be scored. Dont matter if its lockyer or van dijk defending it. Sorry but I thought the goal was avoidable, if we’d at least been touch tight, we weren’t they scored. Sort of things you coach kids at an early age Every time you concede from a set piece from a defensive point of view someone is at fault in theory but every week at every level teams concede if the ball is put into the right area. The big problem for our defence this season is that if they concede a goal we will probably lose. I played and if my marker scored at a corner it was my fault so you are correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 11:36:18 GMT
We just have a different opinion,i think lockyer is a tidy defender and you dont rate him. I dont think him and craig are exceptional i just believe they are decent and not the area of the pitch we need to strengthen right now. Your right my original reply was flippant,sorry about that. Did you even go to the game? Lockyer and Craig were awful, neither good enough for League One, why Broadbent was sold on is beyond me. Yes mr broadbent i was at the game. I hope your boy does well at swindon.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Jan 20, 2019 11:57:15 GMT
Well that was miserable but I think we had it coming saw it at the previous game as well , perhaps this will jolt them into action again and start fighting for not only their position in the team but our position in this league, Come on GC rally the troops and lets get stuck in
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 20, 2019 12:09:00 GMT
I thought both centre halves did their primary job well and should have got marked 6. Our best wide player going forward was james clarke!! Locks cost us the goal? Regardless is a defenders job just to defend, or also play a part in starting off attacks? Lockyer to blame for the goal not switched on, although the keeper should have tracked the flight of the ball, instead he remained rooted to the ground and allowed the ball to trace past him, and Lockenbauer bereft of height showed his frailty. Thought Lockenbeuer slow negative distribution just highlighted how poor is all round game actually is, and Craig's distribution, accuracy of pass is just ****ing awful, his answer was to hoof everything 60 yards in an aimless direction.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jan 20, 2019 12:30:19 GMT
Matthews 7 First time I have had the chance to see him other than in a bit part role and was quite impressed first half but either tired or just faded out of the game near the end. Final ball was not always matching to his hard work but was involved a lot and my first overall impression is that he is a good addition to the squad.
Matthews 6 Another who looks good but unfortunately for him plays in an area (midfield) where we are strong. If only our defence and attack were as strong we would be Champions elect!
Matthews 8 This was a much bigger test for him than the cup game against Crawley and he came through it with flying colours, I like his varied set pieces and his close control and willingness to run at players. He looks like he is capable of adding goals to his game and it will be interesting to see him develop in the area of the team where he will do well to hold on to his place with the players we have fighting for places.
Matthews 8 Looks a good signing but is not really a winger and like on the opposite flank we lack the ability to go on the outside of a defender and so we tend to be a bit predictable. Had a couple of useful shots and generally good in possession but like a few of our players I would question his overall fitness levels as he visibly tired and was rightly substituted.
Matthews 6 Not on long enough to really mark but did nothing wrong and showed good close control in possession.
Matthews 6.5 Came on too late but played well in that time with good direct running, close control dribbling skills and so unlucky not to have scored what probably would have been the winning goal for us with a free kick from the corner of the penalty area that hit the inside of the post. The trouble is that if he does start next game will he have the same effect?
Matthews 5.5 Tried hard and has more ability on the ball than Sinclair and Ollie Clarke but does give possession away too easily and too often. That said he did liven the team up and our best period of the game was when he was on the pitch and he does look like he might score a goal..
Matthews 7 The introduction of him and Bennett helped turn the game in our favour. I like a lot o what I see from him as he is a strong runner and has the skill to beat players however at the moment he can be very frustrating with his final ball and lacks the defending part of his game. that said it was a good performance and he actually looks like he has a goal in him and I am sure it will not be long before he finds the target.
Funny ol game
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Post by tommym9 on Jan 20, 2019 16:23:15 GMT
Thanks for the write up Steve.
Let's hope that GC is able to make some signings. Not holding out much help as we need to move players on first.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 20, 2019 18:07:36 GMT
Locks cost us the goal? Regardless is a defenders job just to defend, or also play a part in starting off attacks? If somebody delivers a wicked in swinging corner to the far post there is every chance a goal will be scored. Dont matter if its lockyer or van dijk defending it. I agreed with this until I watched the goal on TV and albeit the boy was climbing on Locks ,for me he ducked ! rank bad defending by him on that occasion IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:25:26 GMT
So Tom Lockyer is an awful player not capable of playing in League One? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think I would probably side with Ryan Giggs, an international manager who played 20+ years in the worlds best league and won more trophies than any player in history rather than the armchair experts on here looking for their current scapegoat. For the record I think Steve's report was very harsh on Craig and Lockyer who both had decent games. Yesterday's result was more to do with a negative manager and lack of quality in attacking areas from our midfield and strikers. Agree about the ref he was appalling. Basically let Wycome stop the game whenever they felt like it - all they had to do was decide to sit on the floor for a couple of minutes and the referee pandered to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 19:20:24 GMT
If somebody delivers a wicked in swinging corner to the far post there is every chance a goal will be scored. Dont matter if its lockyer or van dijk defending it. I agreed with this until I watched the goal on TV and albeit the boy was climbing on Locks ,for me he ducked ! rank bad defending by him on that occasion IMO Maybe but with the ball so close to the goal line how come bonham didnt punch it clear?
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Post by walcotgas on Jan 20, 2019 20:35:48 GMT
Some people on here seem to be blaming Craig and Lockyer for yesterdays defeat and granted it was a bad goal to concede but really it shouldn't have been a problem against a side as poor as Wycombe as at home we should have been able to score against them. The truth of the matter is our defence is okay. On goals conceded we have the 6th best back 4 in the division whereas the second worst attack. I don't get why Coughlan thinks that midfield will breakdown opposing teams at home. THD is good player but he's a full back not a winger Clarke and Upson are midfield battlers and not particularly creative which leaves Rodman as the only overtly offensive player. Coughlan admitted himself he thought this result was coming but he persists with the same midfield 4. When you're at home you have to take the game to the opposition and that means including some creativity and guile in the mf. I know he wasn't fit yesterday but Sercombe is the club's best player and should be a fixture in the team especially for home games. Lines should have started yesterday imo and I know he's not flavour of the month with some on here but I'd have had Bennett on the left as he does offer us something different. If we're to stay up we're going to need the few creative players we've got at least being involved in home games.
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Post by noblegas on Jan 20, 2019 23:41:01 GMT
We just have a different opinion,i think lockyer is a tidy defender and you dont rate him. I dont think him and craig are exceptional i just believe they are decent and not the area of the pitch we need to strengthen right now. Your right my original reply was flippant,sorry about that. Did you even go to the game? Lockyer and Craig were awful, neither good enough for League One, why Broadbent was sold on is beyond me. I was at the game as I am at every home game and I'm afraid you are dead wrong. Lockyer and, especially, Craig are excellent defenders. The fact that there's no creativity or goals further up the field is not their fault. Seriously, how can you say they were awful? What's our goals conceded compared to other teams?
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