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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:22:26 GMT
He's done well so far, but 14 games is hardly enough to make the judgement as to whether he's the right man. He's made what looks to be a very good signing in JCH, one 'jury out' signing in Ogogo, and let go a winger without replacing him. Mixed bag. If we go down, he will have failed in the task for which he was appointed. He will have had no trackrecord as a manager and therefore the only reason for keeping him will be the fact that he has a contract. That being the case though, you're probably right that he will be here even if we go down. Whether he should be is a different question. However, I believe he will keep us up. The players are good enough to keep us in this league and he has shown so far that he is getting a tune from them. That being the case, I'd like to see us develop a more expansive passing style next season, although fully accept that now isn't the time for that as it's just a case of needs must right now. that's very harsh. How many games does anyone need to tell if a manager can cut it/ make an impact ? I'd say he has transformed a team who were destined for 24th to a team who not only are in with a shout in every game, but a team that gets on top of the opposition for goodparts of every game. Going back to my stats - 19 goals in 14 games and a mere 12 against. think it says it all. winning mentality Home and Away. Not sure 2 wins at home represents a winning mentality. And were we really destined for 24th? We were in a relegation scrap and we still are. We look more like winning it than we did previously, but the end of the season will be the time to judge whether he has the credentials. I'm not anti GC in any way, but am reluctant to make the declaration that he is the man to take us forward before he has achieved anything of real note. I hope and believe he will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:26:14 GMT
Well, we gave him a two and a half year contract so he will be here next season. He’s done very well so far and he needs to be given the opportunity to get some of his choices in. Istr saying he prefers 442 in one of his interviews so I would expect him to get some width in and will off load a good few who are at the end of their contracts. I hope he keeps the core of this team because they are playing well in his system. I guess the questions over Stuart S, Lines, Leads are harder because they’ve been a big part of our success. Others, the keepers, Stefan P and Mensah are easier to decide on. UTG! I'd keep Sincs for sure. Lines only if GC has any faith in him, which seems questionable. Leads, Parts, Smith and hopefully Payne can go. I wouldn't rule out Mensah just yet as he may make an understudy to JCH. Slocombe, as the better of the two keepers in my opinion, is trickier as, if as expected, Bonham goes back, we have only Andre.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 10, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Well, we gave him a two and a half year contract so he will be here next season. He’s done very well so far and he needs to be given the opportunity to get some of his choices in. Istr saying he prefers 442 in one of his interviews so I would expect him to get some width in and will off load a good few who are at the end of their contracts. I hope he keeps the core of this team because they are playing well in his system. I guess the questions over Stuart S, Lines, Leads are harder because they’ve been a big part of our success. Others, the keepers, Stefan P and Mensah are easier to decide on. UTG! I'd keep Sincs for sure. Lines only if GC has any faith in him, which seems questionable. Leads, Parts, Smith and hopefully Payne can go. I wouldn't rule out Mensah just yet as he may make an understudy to JCH. Slocombe, as the better of the two keepers in my opinion, is trickier as, if as expected, Bonham goes back, we have only Andre. I’d prefer SLocombe to Smith as well but looking at the bench not sure that GC does. Mensah is a strange one because in many ways he hasn’t had a chance and I thought he’d be given his chance this season but when he went on loan I presumed that DC had decided to cut his losses. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 17:50:38 GMT
I'd keep Sincs for sure. Lines only if GC has any faith in him, which seems questionable. Leads, Parts, Smith and hopefully Payne can go. I wouldn't rule out Mensah just yet as he may make an understudy to JCH. Slocombe, as the better of the two keepers in my opinion, is trickier as, if as expected, Bonham goes back, we have only Andre. I’d prefer SLocombe to Smith as well but looking at the bench not sure that GC does. Mensah is a strange one because in many ways he hasn’t had a chance and I thought he’d be given his chance this season but when he went on loan I presumed that DC had decided to cut his losses. UTG! I think you're right on both the keeper situation and Mensah. It's a shame re the latter as there seemed to be something there. I'm sure he'd have been of more nuisance value than Payne was this season.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 10, 2019 21:10:51 GMT
I think the following will go. Lines: Payne (to Shrews on a free no doubt): Sinclair: Slocombe (he wants to go North): Smith: Mensah: Leadbitter: Craig (he may retire): Partingdon. Also either of the two Clarkes might go. So a big recruitment drive needed . I would like Bonham to stay. GC certainly seems to have more contacts at this level.
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Post by socrates on Mar 10, 2019 21:30:22 GMT
I think the following will go. Lines: Payne (to Shrews on a free no doubt): Sinclair: Slocombe (he wants to go North): Smith: Mensah: Leadbitter: Craig (he may retire): Partingdon. Also either of the two Clarkes might go. So a big recruitment drive needed . I would like Bonham to stay. GC certainly seems to have more contacts at this level. I’d be gutted if olly and James Clarke left , James Clarke has been one of our best players this season and olly although he blows hot and cold and is only an average league 1 player is Gas through and through and an important player in my view as well. Sinclair is keep too but the rest you mention I wouldn’t mind too much if they leave.
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Post by socrates on Mar 10, 2019 21:38:17 GMT
There’s been lots of talk on here in the last few days about the players we’ve got not good enough to take us to the next level but the next level up from what we’ve got are players that the big clubs in league 1 bring in on big money. Shipping out the likes of James Clarke , olly , Nichols , Craig probably won’t see us bring in anything better and we run the risk of getting it wrong and the players not gelling. I think we need to downsize our squad by releasing perhaps 5 players and bringing in two quality players for this level. For example releasing 5 players on two grand a week would give us scope to bring in 2 top players on 5 grand a week each if we can convince players of that quality to sign which would downsize our squad and also give us more quality. Cogs said when he signed that the squads too big so I reckon he’s thinking along the same lines.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 11, 2019 7:29:50 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been:
LWWWDDLDWDDLWW
I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good.
The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 11, 2019 8:09:36 GMT
I think the following will go. Lines: Payne (to Shrews on a free no doubt): Sinclair: Slocombe (he wants to go North): Smith: Mensah: Leadbitter: Craig (he may retire): Partingdon. Also either of the two Clarkes might go. So a big recruitment drive needed . I would like Bonham to stay. GC certainly seems to have more contacts at this level. Care to remind us all who our current joint top scorer is ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 11, 2019 8:20:51 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been: LWWWDDLDWDDLWW I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good. The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well Not sure anybody would seriously consider sacking GC if we remained in Div 1?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 11, 2019 8:39:03 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been: LWWWDDLDWDDLWW I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good. The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well Not sure anybody would seriously consider sacking GC if we remained in Div 1? Agreed, but I said before "either way" meaning whether we're relegated or not. Unless something drastically goes wrong (EG not winning a single game until the end of the season etc), I'd keep GC in L2
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Post by lpgas on Mar 11, 2019 21:54:30 GMT
I think the following will go. Lines: Payne (to Shrews on a free no doubt): Sinclair: Slocombe (he wants to go North): Smith: Mensah: Leadbitter: Craig (he may retire): Partingdon. Also either of the two Clarkes might go. So a big recruitment drive needed . I would like Bonham to stay. GC certainly seems to have more contacts at this level. Care to remind us all who our current joint top scorer is ? He wont be after Tuesday!
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Post by lpgas on Mar 11, 2019 22:04:49 GMT
To be fair what I like about GC is that where possible he keeps his best team playing. Also in interviews he says who is injured and who is not. None of that "Secret Squirrel" stuff and best of all we play matches, rather than embark on projects
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 11, 2019 23:10:50 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been: LWWWDDLDWDDLWW I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good. The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well Blimey Gassy you’re hard to please! Don’t know about patchy but repeat that next season and we’ll have a fight for promotion on our hands! 😀 UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 11, 2019 23:20:02 GMT
To be fair what I like about GC is that where possible he keeps his best team playing. Also in interviews he says who is injured and who is not. None of that "Secret Squirrel" stuff and best of all we play matches, rather than embark on projects What you're saying basically is what you like most about GC, is he is not DC.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 11, 2019 23:53:39 GMT
I just want our DC back!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 23:56:07 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been: LWWWDDLDWDDLWW I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good. The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well Not sure anybody would seriously consider sacking GC if we remained in Div 1? Is there any evidence he will get us playing good football if he has the chance to build his own team? If long ball wins games then so be it but it's a rather one dimensional game plan in the event teams nullify us. Of course the immediate issue is staying up and the football to do that is whatever works but my concern long term is that his managerial in-experience will mean that he is only capable of a ham-fisted tactical approach that lacks a bit of nous. If pumping the ball to the big man was a promotion winning tactic then everyone would be doing it, right? Has football at this level moved on from those days?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 12, 2019 7:23:47 GMT
GC has had some weird patches of form tbf. I only count the league but its been: LWWWDDLDWDDLWW I'm still not sold on GC, I will be once we're officially safe. Either way, I'd keep him on next season (unless of course we suddenly drop in form horrifically) as he's shown that his L1 contacts/understanding of L1 standard players is quite good. The last few times we gave young, hungry upcoming managers from within the club a chance we've always done pretty well Blimey Gassy you’re hard to please! Don’t know about patchy but repeat that next season and we’ll have a fight for promotion on our hands! 😀 UTG! Haha true - but tbh, it's mostly because I am/was a huge fan of DC so the only reason I'll be content with his leaving is if we stay up. But as you say, GC has put us into a good turn of form, hopefully it will be enough to keep us up as this is the most in form relegation battle that ever took place!
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Post by Jomo on Mar 12, 2019 7:30:00 GMT
There’s been lots of talk on here in the last few days about the players we’ve got not good enough to take us to the next level but the next level up from what we’ve got are players that the big clubs in league 1 bring in on big money. Shipping out the likes of James Clarke , olly , Nichols , Craig probably won’t see us bring in anything better and we run the risk of getting it wrong and the players not gelling. I think we need to downsize our squad by releasing perhaps 5 players and bringing in two quality players for this level. For example releasing 5 players on two grand a week would give us scope to bring in 2 top players on 5 grand a week each if we can convince players of that quality to sign which would downsize our squad and also give us more quality. Cogs said when he signed that the squads too big so I reckon he’s thinking along the same lines. Cracking post, I completely agree with this. Remember when Trolls released several long term and popular players who were "not good enough" and their replacements were supposed to be better but didn't have the same passion for the club nor the desired improvements in quality. Result? Relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 8:52:27 GMT
Not sure anybody would seriously consider sacking GC if we remained in Div 1? Is there any evidence he will get us playing good football if he has the chance to build his own team? If long ball wins games then so be it but it's a rather one dimensional game plan in the event teams nullify us. Of course the immediate issue is staying up and the football to do that is whatever works but my concern long term is that his managerial in-experience will mean that he is only capable of a ham-fisted tactical approach that lacks a bit of nous. If pumping the ball to the big man was a promotion winning tactic then everyone would be doing it, right? Has football at this level moved on from those days? My thoughts exactly. And yes, football has moved on. Gerry's team wouldn't be as effective now as they were then. For lots of reasons probably my favourite Rovers side ever, but in all honesty we didn't play a lot of football in those days. Teams that challenge do have that mental toughness and are able to mix it when they need to, but by and large they are the best footballing sides too. This season is a needs must approach but to progress towards being even a comfortable mid table side, the football will need to be less one dimensional next season. I genuinely hope he gets the chance to show us what he can do in this regard as he has shown other attributes already. As someone else has pointed out, giving young and upcoming managers theur chance has been largely successful at Rovers and GC may be the next in that line. But he has to keep us up first.
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