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Post by poorblue on Mar 10, 2019 12:01:26 GMT
Be careful what you wish for? Was UWE right or wrong for Rovers? Would you like to be a Blackpool or Coventry fan right now? Orient, Wrexham, Hartlepool, Dagenham, Chesterfield, Barnet, Aldershot all lost to the League and into the National, even lower the likes of Torquay, Halifax, Chester, etc, etc Quote from 4-4-2 magazine In April 2017 the Ricoh Arena was listed by FourFourTwo magazine as the worst stadium of all 92 in the Premier League and English Football League, citing “a depressing experience” in an “often soulless atmosphere in a virtually empty stadium” WHAT A NEW ALL SEATER STADIUM WITH NO TENTS WORST THAN THE MEM??? No PASTIES ON SELL EITHER WHEN I WAS THERE
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricoh_ArenaRead above link of all the delays and pitfalls of developing and constructing a new stadium just like Blackpool, but the story doesn't end there does it! |
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Post by stapletongas on Mar 10, 2019 12:20:31 GMT
If the stumbling block was UWE not wanting to sell freehold, then our board walking away was the responsible action to take.
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Post by bluestone on Mar 10, 2019 12:36:47 GMT
After UWE falling through I now believe a redeveloped Mem is in fact the best and most deliverable option for us.
- Has low planning risk as evidenced by the fact that we have previously achieved planning consent.
- Can be done in phases avoiding the need for us to find a temporary home and allows us to expand in stages as the club and it's support grows.
- A community stadium would be something the community would support and if done in the right way could provide reasonable non match day revenue to the club.
- The location is good (not perfect) but at least it's in the city and surrounded by other facilities and most importantly dense residential properties which can provide the potential for expanding the fan base.
Just wish we would stop faffing around and get on with it tbh. City eventually learnt the hard way and whatever we think of them I think we would all jump at the chance to have a stadium of that size, quality and facilities at the Mem.
For me the Mem feels like our home so let's just accept that and turn it into something we can be proud of!
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Post by axegas on Mar 10, 2019 12:48:18 GMT
There are all seater stadiums up and down the country with great atmospheres. It’s the supporters in them that generate most of the noise, if anything it’s harder to do this at the mem as the fans are scattered between a multitude of stands and it’s so open.
With regards to Coventry potentially getting kicked out of the Ricoh, it’s partly their fault for not having freehold or a long leasehold of their own stadium. I’d like to think that if we ever found a suitable site for a new stadium, we would have freehold or at least a 125 year lease of the site and therefore not get in the trouble that Coventry have found themselves in.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 12:54:28 GMT
If the stumbling block was UWE not wanting to sell freehold, then our board walking away was the responsible action to take. That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 12:59:48 GMT
If the stumbling block was UWE not wanting to sell freehold, then our board walking away was the responsible action to take. That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. If the finance was the stumbling block, why buy us? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:32:55 GMT
If the stumbling block was UWE not wanting to sell freehold, then our board walking away was the responsible action to take. That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. How do you know this? Not saying you're wrong but interested where this comes from. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 10, 2019 13:41:40 GMT
If the stumbling block was UWE not wanting to sell freehold, then our board walking away was the responsible action to take. That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. Where's your proof that's the case given that nobody else on the forum seems to have a clue why talks finally failed? Do you have any evidence that the UWE didn't keep moving the goalposts to make the deal unattractive? |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 13:54:16 GMT
That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. Where's your proof that's the case given that nobody else on the forum seems to have a clue why talks finally failed? Do you have any evidence that the UWE didn't keep moving the goalposts to make the deal unattractive? I'm inclined to believe the latter. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 14:16:39 GMT
Where's your proof that's the case given that nobody else on the forum seems to have a clue why talks finally failed? Do you have any evidence that the UWE didn't keep moving the goalposts to make the deal unattractive? I'm inclined to believe the latter. It's far more likely the inverse, Higgs and the UWE seemed to have reached an agreement and there was no changing of goalposts there. Then the Al Qadi's get involved and then it all goes tits up. Siwss Gas alluded to them wanting to build hotels and such which obviously wasn't in the original spec. Either way, there was a deal in place when they turned up and now there isn't so the onus is on them in the first instance to explain what happened-- not that they ever will because confidetiality. |
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Post by socrates on Mar 10, 2019 14:25:07 GMT
That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. Where's your proof that's the case given that nobody else on the forum seems to have a clue why talks finally failed? Do you have any evidence that the UWE didn't keep moving the goalposts to make the deal unattractive? I’ve got no proof but a fellow fan that I know and respect told me last season that he’d had a chat with Wael and he’d said that UWE did indeed move the goalposts once Higgs had sold to him and the deal became more expensive and wasn’t cost effective. Obviously you’ll all see that as a rumour but I honestly believe that they had that conversation the fan I’m talking about isn’t a bullshitter. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 14:28:42 GMT
That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. How do you know this? Not saying you're wrong but interested where this comes from. Hani has no desire to sink money on a large scale into Rovers. Him and his father are the money men. The lack of progress on the colony and absolute no stadium plans for the Mem or other project. Wael has the desire, but he doesn’t have the finance. UWE, since the collapse, have come back to the table twice more, with negotiated terms on land purchase price, freehold options and build options. When it comes to the crunch, the ALQs don’t have money to sign off on any deal. A very interesting conversation with a UWE board member told me that. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 14:28:53 GMT
I'm inclined to believe the latter. It's far more likely the inverse, Higgs and the UWE seemed to have reached an agreement and there was no changing of goalposts there. Then the Al Qadi's get involved and then it all goes tits up. Siwss Gas alluded to them wanting to build hotels and such which obviously wasn't in the original spec. Either way, there was a deal in place when they turned up and now there isn't so the onus is on them in the first instance to explain what happened-- not that they ever will because confidetiality. Is this the same Higgs whos legal team couldn't put a contract together with Sainsburys? And I dread to think about the deal Higgs did with UWE. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 14:30:03 GMT
How do you know this? Not saying you're wrong but interested where this comes from. Hani has no desire to sink money on a large scale into Rovers. Him and his father are the money men. The lack of progress on the colony and absolute no stadium plans for the Mem or other pr Wael has the desire, but he doesn’t have the finance. UWE, since the collapse, have come back to the table twice more, with negotiated terms on land purchase price, freehold options and build options. When it comes to the crunch, the ALQs don’t have money to sign off on any deal. Negotiated terms. There's your clue right there. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 14:39:55 GMT
That was not the stumbling block. The ALQs not having the resources or desire on certain sides of our board were the real stumbling blocks. The freehold of the land was not an issue. We were given 150 year lease with an option to extend to 250 years after 5 years. If the finance was the stumbling block, why buy us? We know their banking share price has dropped and so has their personal wealth. I also believe they were completely naive when it came to the cost of running the club and that their due diligence on funds required failed. As a club or “business” as WAQ keeps referring to it as, we are losing more money now than we ever have, we have more top level high paid executives on higher wages doing nothing than we ever have, less of a vision than we ever have and half of a boardroom giving less of a 💩 than we ever have when it comes to our future. As a “business” it’s an an example of an absolute 💩show. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 10, 2019 14:41:10 GMT
Hani has no desire to sink money on a large scale into Rovers. Him and his father are the money men. The lack of progress on the colony and absolute no stadium plans for the Mem or other pr Wael has the desire, but he doesn’t have the finance. UWE, since the collapse, have come back to the table twice more, with negotiated terms on land purchase price, freehold options and build options. When it comes to the crunch, the ALQs don’t have money to sign off on any deal. Negotiated terms. There's your clue right there. To match the ALQs expectations and desires should I hasten to add. A poster above was correct. They wanted to add hotels and other revenue streams to the site and even had plans drawn for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 14:45:13 GMT
Where's your proof that's the case given that nobody else on the forum seems to have a clue why talks finally failed? Do you have any evidence that the UWE didn't keep moving the goalposts to make the deal unattractive? I’ve got no proof but a fellow fan that I know and respect told me last season that he’d had a chat with Wael and he’d said that UWE did indeed move the goalposts once Higgs had sold to him and the deal became more expensive and wasn’t cost effective. Obviously you’ll all see that as a rumour but I honestly believe that they had that conversation the fan I’m talking about isn’t a bullshitter. Not that I disbelieve your source...but the only question I would ask is, is Wael going to tell someone connected with the club anything other than 'it's the UWE's fault'? Somehow I couldn't see him saying "it was because Hani hasn't got the money" or anything else that would put the reason for the collapse at his family's door. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 14:49:30 GMT
If the finance was the stumbling block, why buy us? We know their banking share price has dropped and so has their personal wealth. I also believe they were completely naive when it came to the cost of running the club and that their due diligence on funds required failed. As a club or “business” as WAQ keeps referring to it as, we are losing more money now than we ever have, we have more top level high paid executives on higher wages doing nothing than we ever have, less of a vision than we ever have and half of a boardroom giving less of a 💩 than we ever have when it comes to our future. As a “business” it’s an an example of an absolute 💩show. And you know their personal wealth how? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 14:50:43 GMT
It's far more likely the inverse, Higgs and the UWE seemed to have reached an agreement and there was no changing of goalposts there. Then the Al Qadi's get involved and then it all goes tits up. Siwss Gas alluded to them wanting to build hotels and such which obviously wasn't in the original spec. Either way, there was a deal in place when they turned up and now there isn't so the onus is on them in the first instance to explain what happened-- not that they ever will because confidetiality. Is this the same Higgs whos legal team couldn't put a contract together with Sainsburys? And I dread to think about the deal Higgs did with UWE. I doubt there are many legal teams who could put a favourable contract together with Sainsburys. Others have tried and failed too, such as Southend IIRC. |
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Post by baggins on Mar 10, 2019 14:52:38 GMT
Negotiated terms. There's your clue right there. To match the ALQs expectations and desires should I hasten to add. A poster above was correct. They wanted to add hotels and other revenue streams to the site and even had plans drawn for it. But none of that has any bearing on whether they have the cash to do it. |
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