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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 17:04:07 GMT
I dont agree at all,in our first season back in league one we were close to the play-offs and had tremendous momentum and a winning mentality throughout the club and the fan base. For whatever reason that momentum was not built on by the owners and we have been going backwards ever since that initial league one season. Let's talk specifics. What should the owners have done exactly? The owners are the same as all our owners in our history. So we get a good team which does well gets promoted then loses its best players,struggles and gets relegated. Over and over throughout our history. Wael gave the impression imo that this time it would all be different but its the same as always. The short answer is that the owners have got no money so they couldn't do a damn thing.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 17, 2019 17:10:05 GMT
Let's talk specifics. What should the owners have done exactly? The owners are the same as all our owners in our history. So we get a good team which does well gets promoted then loses its best players,struggles and gets relegated. Over and over throughout our history. Wael gave the impression imo that this time it would all be different but its the same as always. The short answer is that the owners have got no money so they couldn't do a damn thing. In fairness this happens with most clubs that don’t get bought out by a genuine sugar daddy or manages to achieve stadium redevelopment. It’s odd to be stable in the same league for 20 years like Bury(?) were
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Post by bluegas on May 17, 2019 17:12:03 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. I rather agree with you Mark. He'll probably end up with a L1 club & 5 years from now probably won't have gone very far. Shame. I'm all for players bettering themselves but so often it doesn't happen. (I see Santos has been released by Yeovile.)
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Post by Jomo on May 17, 2019 17:34:48 GMT
Just listened to it, I have absolutely no problem with what any of them said. Sincs an absolute legend of the club, Lockyer and Lines will always be remembered too. May they all go onto great success at their next clubs (apart from against us of course!)
Was a privilege to have them all at the Gas and to listen to the replays of promotion was great. I just hope we can adequately replace them with hard workers who play for the shirt just as they did. It was also fascinating what they all had to say about DC. Clearly he was just as much a likeable bloke behind the scenes just as he came across to us fans in his interviews etc. It makes me miss him even more, just such a legend and Walsall are very lucky to have him. Still I accept it ended sadly but necessarily and GC whilst I don't feel quite the same about him I back him to keep us up again next season.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 17, 2019 18:00:02 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. Pompey have two good 6'+ CB's so why on earth would they want Locks, when Matt Clarke is streets ahead of Locks as a footballer.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 18:24:01 GMT
Let's talk specifics. What should the owners have done exactly? The owners are the same as all our owners in our history. So we get a good team which does well gets promoted then loses its best players,struggles and gets relegated. Over and over throughout our history. Wael gave the impression imo that this time it would all be different but its the same as always. The short answer is that the owners have got no money so they couldn't do a damn thing. I asked what specifically they should have done at that point? Was 300k on a striker not enough?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 17, 2019 18:34:26 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. Pompey have two good 6'+ CB's so why on earth would they want Locks, when Matt Clarke is streets ahead of Locks as a footballer. Good chance Pompey might sell Matt Clarke this summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 20:27:45 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. I rather agree with you Mark. He'll probably end up with a L1 club & 5 years from now probably won't have gone very far. Shame. I'm all for players bettering themselves but so often it doesn't happen. (I see Santos has been released by Yeovile.) I think the opposite and expect him to be playing in the championship come August. A club will be recruiting Tom Lockyer the defender not looking for some Glenn Hoddle style playmaker. His distribution may have been a weak point with us but with better players giving him more options for a simple pass he'll look a lot better. Too many times with us he looks up to see his midfield and strikers miles away because the defence plays so deep (mainly due to our other defenders lack of pace) and players lacking in confidence hiding away - its no surprise he struggled to complete forward passes here.
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Post by markczgas on May 17, 2019 21:30:22 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. Pompey have two good 6'+ CB's so why on earth would they want Locks, when Matt Clarke is streets ahead of Locks as a footballer. cos Matt Clarke is likely move on - he 's hot property. Btw I said "like" pompey and coventry - so not necessarily if you know your English Topper
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 17, 2019 22:08:02 GMT
To Captain a team at a young age at a club expectant in th lower divisions like ours, 200 odd appearances, a relegation an 2 promotions an all that brings, while also gaining international caps..... Thomas Lockyer i take my hat off to you. I think he's been a massive/if not the biggest asset this club has had thru last 5 years. I thank you, an wish you all th very best wherever you end up. I will miss you, an will follow your career with great interest. A Truly decent chap, disciplined, a 100%er an a real professional on an off th pitch - in fact a managers fucckin dream. Good luck lad, you've earnt it. Jock - is that your English accent?
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Post by mehewmagic on May 17, 2019 22:10:35 GMT
- 200+ appearances for us - Under John Ward, was thrown into the deep end as LB and CM and even managed to score a couple of goals despite being 100% a CB - Stuck with the team in the Conference while other youth players (see Alefe Santos for instance) were happy to leave - Played for most of the Conference season as a RB - Won two promotions with us - Captain at a young age - Whether he was our best defender or not, no one can say he was lazy or didn't put in the effort for us. Miss Kenneth, Branston, etc? - Played for us 24 hours after representing Wales Then: - Endured Nick Higgs' tenure until WAQ and Co. came around promising the world - Saw his best mates and the main assets of the club be sold by peanuts and not be properly replaced - Budget constraints - Training ground didn't happen - UWE didn't happen - Board has no plan - Team starts losing - Fans pick him amongst a few as scapegoat - Darrell Clarke, the man who gave him so much, is ultimately put under fire by a desperate board and is made into a scapegoat - New gaffer comes in and starts picking fights with established club members - Club isn't going anywhere I certainly don't blame him for wanting to leave, especially after Ryan Giggs, of all people, tells you to. He must love Rovers but he loves his country more I assume, and staying with us wouldn't help grow his career at all tbh. You all can certainly be angry at him leaving for $0 and have your opinions over his passing and distribution etc but most of the rest sounds a bit overreactive IMO. Not to mention basing said opinions on quotes taken out of the context of the interview. Love him or hate him, Lockyer gave us more than most players these last 5 years and he certainly deserves better for his career. And life goes on for us too, so I hope I won't be reading "HAHA LOOK LOCKYER SLIPPED ON A BANANA AND FELL !!!" threads 6 months for now while we're battling in League One. Agree with nearly all of that. And quite a bit of that is why DC left. Pedants corner - I've seen Guy Branson named twice recently alongside genuine wasteful signings like Garry Kenneth. Extremely unfair. He was on a 1 month loan & did all he could and should of done in that month. Played 4 games to help us out, and even scored against his old team with his first touch. Limbs everywhere, many of them his.
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Post by mehewmagic on May 17, 2019 22:16:52 GMT
Does anyone think Lockyer improved as the season went on ? And also that this might have been because he played alongside the very consistent Tony Craig in all those games ? I'm not certain a Champ club will take him and more likely it'll be a promotion aspiring league 1 club like Coventry or Pompey. I'd be seriously disappointed if he went to a rival Lge 1 club, just because they are so called bigger. Shades of Lee Brown, and an arrogant club like Pompey. Of course it's hard for players to REALLY know who is more likely to get promoted from lge 1 but the assumption that clubs like Pompey, Rotherham, Coventry and Sunderland will get promo is so lazy.
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Post by socrates on May 17, 2019 23:27:09 GMT
1. He was prepared to move. He said to in his interview. 2. I don't think any of the money would go to him at all, it just makes him more attractive to other clubs. Their saving is our loss. Not really true. Most players, at all levels, will get a signing on fee, be it £50 or £2m. If a club hasn't paid a transfer fee or compo then agents and players will expect a slice of the savings pie. 🥧🥧🥧 Yep , and that is the reason why players run down their contracts. It’s not exclusive to Bristol Rovers , it’s been happening since the Bosman law came in to practice. The only way around it is by offering players 3+ year deals and hoping they come good and big offers are made in the first 18 months. If they only develop well and attract attention after that point then the chances are they will run down their contract for the big signing on fee. of course handing out long contracts comes at a risk. These decisions are as big as the ones regarding who to sign in the first place , it’s a mine field for clubs with poor scouting and poor financial awareness and that’s why we’ve scewed things up massively over the last few years. Every club loses their best players to other clubs who offer more that’s the way of the world : football , it’s all about being ahead of the game and playing the agents at their own game. Crap really , footballs losing its soul. Probably wouldn’t feel so bad if our previous or current board knew what they were doing but Higgs didn’t seem to and god knows what the current lot know i have absolutely no idea wael just talks in riddles and nothing he says ever comes to anything.
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Post by socrates on May 17, 2019 23:28:30 GMT
Let's talk specifics. What should the owners have done exactly? The owners are the same as all our owners in our history. So we get a good team which does well gets promoted then loses its best players,struggles and gets relegated. Over and over throughout our history. Wael gave the impression imo that this time it would all be different but its the same as always. The short answer is that the owners have got no money so they couldn't do a damn thing. They’ve got loads of money no doubt about that. They just won’t give it to wael to play football games with.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2019 23:45:36 GMT
I rather agree with you Mark. He'll probably end up with a L1 club & 5 years from now probably won't have gone very far. Shame. I'm all for players bettering themselves but so often it doesn't happen. (I see Santos has been released by Yeovile.) I think the opposite and expect him to be playing in the championship come August. A club will be recruiting Tom Lockyer the defender not looking for some Glenn Hoddle style playmaker. His distribution may have been a weak point with us but with better players giving him more options for a simple pass he'll look a lot better. Too many times with us he looks up to see his midfield and strikers miles away because the defence plays so deep (mainly due to our other defenders lack of pace) and players lacking in confidence hiding away - its no surprise he struggled to complete forward passes here. imo his passing was woeful in the Conference and League two, and he had a decent midfield and confident players looking to receive the ball then. It isnt just this season his distribution has been inadequate
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 1:32:53 GMT
The owners are the same as all our owners in our history. So we get a good team which does well gets promoted then loses its best players,struggles and gets relegated. Over and over throughout our history. Wael gave the impression imo that this time it would all be different but its the same as always. The short answer is that the owners have got no money so they couldn't do a damn thing. I asked what specifically they should have done at that point? Was 300k on a striker not enough? Of course not ,bodin and taylor could not be replaced with that money and with proper ambition brown and harrison would have stayed. You might be happy with the dreadful squad we have but im not. We spent good money on mickey evans i think but that hardly made up for cureton and roberts leaving did it?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 7:38:21 GMT
I asked what specifically they should have done at that point? Was 300k on a striker not enough? Of course not ,bodin and taylor could not be replaced with that money and with proper ambition brown and harrison would have stayed. You might be happy with the dreadful squad we have but im not. We spent good money on mickey evans i think but that hardly made up for cureton and roberts leaving did it? Mate this isn't a computer game. We're a lower league football club. We don't have endless resources. We're losing millions each year. Directly replacing the quality of Taylor and especially Bodin would have likely cost a considerable seven figure amount. It was never going to happen, nor is it realistic to think so. Brown and Harrison aren't IMO real upgrades on what we have now. Certainly the latter who was never ready for Championship football which has been evidenced.
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Post by stevek192 on May 18, 2019 8:07:03 GMT
The problem is not losing Tom Lockyer.The problem is that if we go out and try to sign another Tom Lockyer we will have the same problem and that is another season without a tall commanding centre half. The main reason our defence was so good was down to the fact that our midfield was set up to defend as well with little or no "get out of jail card" other than JCH. I feel that most of the players we have left can do a reasonable job...just not together!! The most important thing is to get a balanced squad between attacking and defending-it is not about replacing one individual.
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Post by socrates on May 18, 2019 9:54:21 GMT
The problem is not losing Tom Lockyer.The problem is that if we go out and try to sign another Tom Lockyer we will have the same problem and that is another season without a tall commanding centre half. The main reason our defence was so good was down to the fact that our midfield was set up to defend as well with little or no "get out of jail card" other than JCH. I feel that most of the players we have left can do a reasonable job...just not together!! The most important thing is to get a balanced squad between attacking and defending-it is not about replacing one individual. Yes and currently we miss Pace, width and creativity. Lots to do in the summer to rectify that.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 18, 2019 10:11:59 GMT
The problem is not losing Tom Lockyer.The problem is that if we go out and try to sign another Tom Lockyer we will have the same problem and that is another season without a tall commanding centre half. The main reason our defence was so good was down to the fact that our midfield was set up to defend as well with little or no "get out of jail card" other than JCH. I feel that most of the players we have left can do a reasonable job...just not together!! The most important thing is to get a balanced squad between attacking and defending-it is not about replacing one individual. If GC, who was a decent CB himself, doesn't know what we need as Locks replacement we may as well just give up!
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