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Post by Thatslife on May 23, 2019 12:23:15 GMT
Strange that disabled people get cheaper tickets to the match, the car parking I can understand but unless you're blind I can't see why you would need a cheaper match ticket??? Surely a cheaper rate for the unemployed would make more sense, as they are at a disadvantage when it comes to money. Guess you dont live on a pension then? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 23, 2019 12:29:27 GMT
With you 100% Sir, if we did not have a blue badge we could not attend rovers games, Simple The constant increase of the cost to park near the ground effectively doubles the cost to watch rovers for a disabled person My dad has a blue badge, cant walk to far,but we park on the street as close as possible. I appreciate the cost has increased for a car parking space, but he cant get one if he wanted one because they are taken up. Another reason why we are so desperate for a new stadium I consider myself lucky to have one but we did get it many years ago |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 13:01:06 GMT
I won't have much sympathy for the type of blue badge holders I see jumping out of their cars right outside the supermarket and then bomb around doing their shopping. Those genuinely severely disabled have my sympathy if their costs have risen. Comments like this just astounds me. Sorry eric, I like and agree to most, if not all, your comments/opinions but this occasion I cannot disagree more. You do know that there are more invisible disabilities than visible ones right? Quite a few invisible disabilities are very severe too. Just because you can not physically see a disability through their clothes doesn't mean they are not genuinely disabled. There are people who unfortunately abuse the system, which then gives a bad impression of the disabled, especially those with invisible disabilities. And instead of receiving help and sympathy, they receive suspicion and ignorance.
I am sorry if this comes across as aggressive, its not my intention. Its just a close subject to home for me. My wife is disabled. She has a visible disability (only visible if seen naked) so she would fall into your category of 'no sympathy' just because you wouldn't be able to see her disability. She also has many invisible disabilities. She has so many bad days but on the odd rare occasion that she has a good day, a supermarket is somewhere we would go because its easier than online shopping for us.
So the awful crap she goes through 24/7 for weeks on end, to finally manage to actually have a good day where she can actually get out the house for once, to attempt to do something normal, like do a bit of food shopping, you would see her use her blue badge and then you would judge her and jump to the conclusion that she is not "genuinely" disabled and have no sympathy for her situation. Not sure what gives you, or anyone else, the right to judge if someone is genuinely disabled or not, without having a single clue about a persons situation.
Again I am sorry eric if this comes across as an attack on you. I am not trying to do that. I just get watered off when I see things like this, which I hope you would understand as its very close to home for me.
Invisible disabilities are close to home here too. I have a radar key because of crohns (for over 20 years) but try to never use it because there is potential for someone to have a pop because I appear able bodied and don't need a wheelchair or anything like that. Similar to disabled parking badges in some respects. If the authorities and weak GP's didn't dish out blue badges willy nilly then there would be far less suspicion as everyone would have confidence that anyone granted one was genuinely disabled. How many people have a blue badge so they can ferry a disabled family member around and then use the same badge when out alone for their own convenience? How many people have a disabled bay marked outside their home from a previous occupier or since deceased family member but quite happy to continue occupying it? For what it's worth I think those in society with very severe disabilities should get far more out of the system than those at the less disabled end of the spectrum. Far too many with little need draining a system at the expense of those with greater needs. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 23, 2019 13:25:38 GMT
Comments like this just astounds me. Sorry eric, I like and agree to most, if not all, your comments/opinions but this occasion I cannot disagree more. You do know that there are more invisible disabilities than visible ones right? Quite a few invisible disabilities are very severe too. Just because you can not physically see a disability through their clothes doesn't mean they are not genuinely disabled. There are people who unfortunately abuse the system, which then gives a bad impression of the disabled, especially those with invisible disabilities. And instead of receiving help and sympathy, they receive suspicion and ignorance.
I am sorry if this comes across as aggressive, its not my intention. Its just a close subject to home for me. My wife is disabled. She has a visible disability (only visible if seen naked) so she would fall into your category of 'no sympathy' just because you wouldn't be able to see her disability. She also has many invisible disabilities. She has so many bad days but on the odd rare occasion that she has a good day, a supermarket is somewhere we would go because its easier than online shopping for us.
So the awful crap she goes through 24/7 for weeks on end, to finally manage to actually have a good day where she can actually get out the house for once, to attempt to do something normal, like do a bit of food shopping, you would see her use her blue badge and then you would judge her and jump to the conclusion that she is not "genuinely" disabled and have no sympathy for her situation. Not sure what gives you, or anyone else, the right to judge if someone is genuinely disabled or not, without having a single clue about a persons situation.
Again I am sorry eric if this comes across as an attack on you. I am not trying to do that. I just get watered off when I see things like this, which I hope you would understand as its very close to home for me.
Invisible disabilities are close to home here too. I have a radar key because of crohns (for over 20 years) but try to never use it because there is potential for someone to have a pop because I appear able bodied and don't need a wheelchair or anything like that. Similar to disabled parking badges in some respects. If the authorities and weak GP's didn't dish out blue badges willy nilly then there would be far less suspicion as everyone would have confidence that anyone granted one was genuinely disabled. How many people have a blue badge so they can ferry a disabled family member around and then use the same badge when out alone for their own convenience? How many people have a disabled bay marked outside their home from a previous occupier or since deceased family member but quite happy to continue occupying it? For what it's worth I think those in society with very severe disabilities should get far more out of the system than those at the less disabled end of the spectrum. Far too many with little need draining a system at the expense of those with greater needs. I saw this post yesterday and wasn't going to reply as we have had to deal with unintentional ignorance for years.We nearly lost our son to a massive brain tumour when he was 2 removal and many subsequent operations have left him brain injured and this effects many aspects of his physical and mental capabilities,although if you saw him and spike to him other than slow speech you could be forgiven for thiking he was "normal". He has a blue badge and whilst we don't use it all the time there are times when he is with us it is a godsend however,you wouldn't believe the abuse we get from folk who look at him and because he isn't in a wheelchair or lost a limb he is some form of cheat. All I say to them is you have him for a day and see how you get on.Her is 18 now and we have a lifetime of care plus the massive worry of what will happen when we're not longer here. All I would say to anyone is rushing to judgement without knowledge is very dangerous and the impact on families from such abuse is incalculable,who needs constant reminders of what have been traumatic experiences,I know we don't! ! |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 13:43:25 GMT
Strange that disabled people get cheaper tickets to the match, the car parking I can understand but unless you're blind I can't see why you would need a cheaper match ticket??? Surely a cheaper rate for the unemployed would make more sense, as they are at a disadvantage when it comes to money. A lot of disabled people have to survive on a reduced income, or benefits, due to their health issues. Yes, there are always those who find a way to abuse the system, but the vast majority are honest folk, who try and make the best of the hand they've been dealt. |
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Post by axegas on May 23, 2019 14:17:20 GMT
Talking about the price not being right, anyone seen the price for the pre season games? £15 for adults and £7 for under 18’s to watch a dull game of football against a weak Swansea side. Can see there being a really low turn out which is a shame considering it’s a decent opportunity to watch the squad in action for the first time in the sun. What about making it affordable so that families can have the chance to see us in the summer holidays and perhaps attend a league game or two after that?
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Post by geddongas on May 23, 2019 14:20:48 GMT
It's a sad situation, and we can blame the people in charge right now for making the changes. But no football club in its right mind makes these changes without the consideration of whether it is strictly necessary.
For years the club has been fairly competitive with other clubs whilst having vastly reduced income streams, and a lack of usable space for non-matchday income. It simply cannot keep doing that. The price rises are what happens when a club fails to invest in decent infrastructure for 20-30 odd years.
Rock and a hard place situation: Need money in order to build new sources of income, but have few sources of income and so only really have the option to increase prices, or increase gate receipts by 30% (which would mean selling out the mem every game.)
It's horrible what's happening, and disabled fans should be 100% allowed to park in the ground car park for free or very little money, they've got that wrong. But equally, they have very little choice unless we start hitting a gold mine selling off academy lads for £500k+ a pop every other season and getting very lucrative cup draws like Exeter do.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 23, 2019 14:36:31 GMT
Talking about the price not being right, anyone seen the price for the pre season games? £15 for adults and £7 for under 18’s to watch a dull game of football against a weak Swansea side. Can see there being a really low turn out which is a shame considering it’s a decent opportunity to watch the squad in action for the first time in the sun. What about making it affordable so that families can have the chance to see us in the summer holidays and perhaps attend a league game or two after that? Think the last one i went to was £5 to stand in the East Terrace |
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Post by hungdrawnandquarters on May 23, 2019 14:36:38 GMT
Strange that disabled people get cheaper tickets to the match, the car parking I can understand but unless you're blind I can't see why you would need a cheaper match ticket??? Surely a cheaper rate for the unemployed would make more sense, as they are at a disadvantage when it comes to money. Guess you dont live on a pension then? Ok sure pensioners too deserve some discount. I have to pay full whack unfortunately. Mind you I guess unless you had some system where you had to bring proof of your earnings and then the corresponding ticket price was allocated it's never going to be 100% fair and I can't imagine it's practical to do that. |
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Post by hungdrawnandquarters on May 23, 2019 14:39:24 GMT
Strange that disabled people get cheaper tickets to the match, the car parking I can understand but unless you're blind I can't see why you would need a cheaper match ticket??? Surely a cheaper rate for the unemployed would make more sense, as they are at a disadvantage when it comes to money. A lot of disabled people have to survive on a reduced income, or benefits, due to their health issues. Yes, there are always those who find a way to abuse the system, but the vast majority are honest folk, who try and make the best of the hand they've been dealt. Yeah I guess, conversely my aunty who gets full whack PIP and mobility also has an income of £4000 a month from property but is entitled to all the discounts too, kinda grates a bit. But I guess it's hard to sort out those who need it from those who don't at a turnstile etc |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 14:40:16 GMT
Invisible disabilities are close to home here too. I have a radar key because of crohns (for over 20 years) but try to never use it because there is potential for someone to have a pop because I appear able bodied and don't need a wheelchair or anything like that. Similar to disabled parking badges in some respects. If the authorities and weak GP's didn't dish out blue badges willy nilly then there would be far less suspicion as everyone would have confidence that anyone granted one was genuinely disabled. How many people have a blue badge so they can ferry a disabled family member around and then use the same badge when out alone for their own convenience? How many people have a disabled bay marked outside their home from a previous occupier or since deceased family member but quite happy to continue occupying it? For what it's worth I think those in society with very severe disabilities should get far more out of the system than those at the less disabled end of the spectrum. Far too many with little need draining a system at the expense of those with greater needs. I saw this post yesterday and wasn't going to reply as we have had to deal with unintentional ignorance for years.We nearly lost our son to a massive brain tumour when he was 2 removal and many subsequent operations have left him brain injured and this effects many aspects of his physical and mental capabilities,although if you saw him and spike to him other than slow speech you could be forgiven for thiking he was "normal". He has a blue badge and whilst we don't use it all the time there are times when he is with us it is a godsend however,you wouldn't believe the abuse we get from folk who look at him and because he isn't in a wheelchair or lost a limb he is some form of cheat. All I say to them is you have him for a day and see how you get on.Her is 18 now and we have a lifetime of care plus the massive worry of what will happen when we're not longer here. All I would say to anyone is rushing to judgement without knowledge is very dangerous and the impact on families from such abuse is incalculable,who needs constant reminders of what have been traumatic experiences,I know we don't! ! Do you get problems finding parking bays given such a high percentage of the population have qualified for badges over the years?Sounds like yours is very much required and it must be hugely frustrating to know either non badge holders or someone abusing the system is using spaces. I know we can't determine with our eyes the level of disability and we may occasionally have suspicions due to the way the system has clearly been abused over the years but should never verbally abuse someone as you never know the circumstances. It's a shame that so many people abuse various benefit systems in this country which has a knock on affect to those really in need - anyway that's a debate for the General discussion page. |
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Post by trevorgas on May 23, 2019 17:41:04 GMT
I saw this post yesterday and wasn't going to reply as we have had to deal with unintentional ignorance for years.We nearly lost our son to a massive brain tumour when he was 2 removal and many subsequent operations have left him brain injured and this effects many aspects of his physical and mental capabilities,although if you saw him and spike to him other than slow speech you could be forgiven for thiking he was "normal". He has a blue badge and whilst we don't use it all the time there are times when he is with us it is a godsend however,you wouldn't believe the abuse we get from folk who look at him and because he isn't in a wheelchair or lost a limb he is some form of cheat. All I say to them is you have him for a day and see how you get on.Her is 18 now and we have a lifetime of care plus the massive worry of what will happen when we're not longer here. All I would say to anyone is rushing to judgement without knowledge is very dangerous and the impact on families from such abuse is incalculable,who needs constant reminders of what have been traumatic experiences,I know we don't! ! Do you get problems finding parking bays given such a high percentage of the population have qualified for badges over the years?Sounds like yours is very much required and it must be hugely frustrating to know either non badge holders or someone abusing the system is using spaces. I know we can't determine with our eyes the level of disability and we may occasionally have suspicions due to the way the system has clearly been abused over the years but should never verbally abuse someone as you never know the circumstances. It's a shame that so many people abuse various benefit systems in this country which has a knock on affect to those really in need - anyway that's a debate for the General discussion page. TBH if there's an ordinary space and a disabled space available we will go in the former and leave the latter for wheelchair users etc. The real benefit is to be able to park on yellow lines close to a venue etc. I agree that it's abused and as such that causes problems for genuine users. |
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Post by gasforeverman on May 23, 2019 19:43:04 GMT
Able bodied fans generally have the choice to park away from the grd and walk. Alot of disabled people do not!! My brothers classed as disabled but visabley people wldnt be aware of this. I DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE I DO NOT KNOW!!
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Post by nsgas on May 23, 2019 20:14:17 GMT
Tom Gorringe's job is to maximise revenue. If enough people continue to pay the increased prices for food/tickets then they will rise again next year.
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Post by gasforeverman on May 24, 2019 16:14:53 GMT
I no longer eat anything at the ground as i dnt think its value you for money. £4 a pint for most pints is actually less than the vast majority of pubs of gloucs though. Sooner the whetherspoons is open the better!
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Post by aghast on May 24, 2019 17:16:39 GMT
I no longer eat anything at the ground as i dnt think its value you for money. £4 a pint for most pints is actually less than the vast majority of pubs of gloucs though. Sooner the whetherspoons is open the better! The rest of the Gloucester Road pubs are going to have to really up their game in sticky carpets and microwaved curries once Spoons opens. |
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Post by mftc on May 24, 2019 17:38:27 GMT
Perhaps someone with a car park pass could lift share? They could offset some of the increase/petrol costs with someone. As they hold the keys they could get a deal which is right for them. I am sure there must be a fan or two who live on your route who would welcome a lift. I think it is a fiver for the bus for non drivers with a rubbish service and depending where you live, almost non existent for bank holidays.  |
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Post by Thatslife on May 24, 2019 19:00:56 GMT
Guess you dont live on a pension then? Ok sure pensioners too deserve some discount. I have to pay full whack unfortunately. Mind you I guess unless you had some system where you had to bring proof of your earnings and then the corresponding ticket price was allocated it's never going to be 100% fair and I can't imagine it's practical to do that. Thing about being a pensioner, in my case, is that I have been putting money into BRFCfor 60 years so think I am entitled to some sort of discount. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 19:17:47 GMT
Ok sure pensioners too deserve some discount. I have to pay full whack unfortunately. Mind you I guess unless you had some system where you had to bring proof of your earnings and then the corresponding ticket price was allocated it's never going to be 100% fair and I can't imagine it's practical to do that. Thing about being a pensioner, in my case, is that I have been putting money into BRFCfor 60 years so think I am entitled to some sort of discount. Unfortunately whilst I agree that fans of your ilk should be rewarded, football has gone all commercially b0ll0x. You may have shopped in Marks and Sparks for 60 years, do you reckon they will give you a discount? I personally think the car park should be reserved for people of a certain age. |
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Post by stigofthegas on May 25, 2019 16:31:39 GMT
I always find it bizarre that every time the club does something to increase much-needed revenue it gets criticised. Why is Tom G being criticised for making a good job of what he is paid to do ? The car park is always rammed. Stick the price up and it will still be rammed. More revenue. What’s to criticise? and if they did the same with match day prices would you be happy to say pay £25-£30 per game ? No, because basic the economics of supply and demand means people would stay away if the price got too high. The car park will not be empty as a result of this. You have a clear choice. Pay to park in the ground. Or park for free and walk. Or of course you can choose to just moan and criticise regardless. |
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