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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:37:16 GMT
And the buck stops - as SL would say - at the top - and if he accepts that at BCFC - then surely the same applies at BRFC? Easy to say that when you are a billionaire and if it all goes wrong you just find another few million you haven't bothered to pay in UK taxes to sort the issue out. I don't get how you've turned on Wael, a few months ago he was the best thing since sliced bread, now everything will be fine when he's gone. In truth unless Hani decides to right off most of the debt then thr future looks dim if they move on rather than exciting, unless you get your excitement out of watching Rovers struggling for survival again. Yeah it is incredible the complete turnaround in opinion, it’s like he caught Wael in bed with his wife
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Post by Gassy on May 31, 2019 17:38:57 GMT
Yeah while we’re all allowed to change our opinion, Knowall isn’t
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Post by Big Jock on May 31, 2019 17:42:40 GMT
Easy to say that when you are a billionaire and if it all goes wrong you just find another few million you haven't bothered to pay in UK taxes to sort the issue out. I don't get how you've turned on Wael, a few months ago he was the best thing since sliced bread, now everything will be fine when he's gone. In truth unless Hani decides to right off most of the debt then thr future looks dim if they move on rather than exciting, unless you get your excitement out of watching Rovers struggling for survival again. Yeah it is incredible the complete turnaround in opinion, it’s like he caught Wael in bed with his wife I was shaggin this burd a few years ago when we heard th front door open.
'Its my husband, Quick try th back door' she said
Lookin back i really should have ran, but yous dont get offers like that every day.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:44:00 GMT
Yeah while we’re all allowed to change our opinion, Knowall isn’t 🤨 Nothing wrong with changing an opinion but in Knowall’s case considering how vocal and argumentative he was shouting down those who expressed their doubts he could at least hold his hands up that he called it wrong, but he seems to have slipped round to bat for the other side as smoothly as **** off a shovel
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 31, 2019 17:46:32 GMT
It seems to me "Winter is Coming", I thought the Eastville days were behind us, not so, we are now at the mercy of WAQ, not only has he walked away from building a new stadium at the UWE, shelved developing a training ground at Almondsbury, not prepared to invest enough money in the playing squad, refuses to communicate regularly with the Supporters, he has now ensured that the clubs asset (the ground) will easily be dwarfed in time by its liabilities, with the club totally beholding to his families business. If this is what he meant by "evolution, not revolution" ? ffs.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:46:38 GMT
Yeah it is incredible the complete turnaround in opinion, it’s like he caught Wael in bed with his wife I was shaggin this burd a few years ago when we heard th front door open.
'Its my husband, Quick try th back door' she said
Lookin back i really should have ran, but yous dont get offers like that every day.
Love it, keep up the good work Jock
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 31, 2019 17:50:12 GMT
It seems to me "Winter is Coming", I thought the Eastville days were behind us, not so, we are now at the mercy of WAQ, not only has he walked away from building a new stadium at the UWE, shelved developing a training ground at Almondsbury, not prepared to invest enough money in the playing squad, refuses to communicate regularly with the Supporters, he has now ensured that the clubs asset (the ground) will easily be dwarfed in time by its liabilities, with the club totally beholding to his families business. If this is what he meant by "evolution, not revolution" ? ffs. Classic. I know we've had a lot of people complaining about Dwane spending too much, who also complain about Dwane not spending enough. But you've managed it in the same post.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 17:51:57 GMT
We have gone from losing circa 500k per season in the not too distant past to now losing in excess of 3m,i don't care or know who is to blame for this overspend but it is completely irresponsible and has only one outcome. If you look back about 10 years this is how Bolton started their financial problems and look how that has ended,or maybe not yet,.Savings have to be made do we need a 250k per year office in London?Do we need a chairman,president and chief executive? debate I agree, I was commenting to Kyle that pointing fingers at DC is a joke. The blame lies with the people who run the club, no one else. re read what I said I said dc also had some blame in this and listed reasons why poor control over the wages bringing in staff that he didn’t need ect the board can’t just say no to a manager as that would totally undermine the manager and his position. 200k for Jonny burn btw a player we released after a year .
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Post by Topper Gas on May 31, 2019 17:58:08 GMT
I agree, I was commenting to Kyle that pointing fingers at DC is a joke. The blame lies with the people who run the club, no one else. re read what I said I said dc also had some blame in this and listed reasons why poor control over the wages bringing in staff that he didn’t need ect the bird can’t just say no to a manager as that would totally undermine the manager and his position. 200k for Jonny burn btw a player we released after a year . Sorry your talking nonsense, the owners must have some control over the playing budget or we'd end up like Rednapp at Pompey spending well beyond our means, although DC should have had some appreciation of what was a sensible Div 1 budget. I'd like to see your evidence that we paid £200K for Burn as it was suggested when we signed him that the fee was around £40K, given he left us eventually for York that sounds about right.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 18:01:20 GMT
re read what I said I said dc also had some blame in this and listed reasons why poor control over the wages bringing in staff that he didn’t need ect the bird can’t just say no to a manager as that would totally undermine the manager and his position. 200k for Jonny burn btw a player we released after a year . Sorry your talking nonsense, the owners must have some control over the playing budget or we'd end up like Rednapp at Pompey spending well beyond our means, although DC should have had some appreciation of what was a sensible Div 1 budget. I'd like to see your evidence that we paid £200K for Burn as it was suggested when we signed him that the fee was around £40K, given he left us eventually for York that sounds about right. i also mentioned poor control of the wage budget 4K a week to a player who spent half the season out on loan at Swindon is ludicrous. The aq’s are to blame but dc isn’t faultless like your making him out to be
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Post by neilv93 on May 31, 2019 18:03:52 GMT
It's 2019, just.. get Twitter lol. No seriously though, you should still be able to view it without being logged on/signed up. Gist is we're losing approx. £65k per day and are only still alive thanks to owner input. BLUF, when the owners stop putting money in, we're the next Hereford/Darlington/etc. Think you'll find it's £65k per WEEK. Still not good, but not quite so alarming as that. Good spot, my mistake. Edited the original.
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 31, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
Think you'll find it's £65k per WEEK. Still not good, but not quite so alarming as that. Good spot, my mistake. Edited the original.
Don't edit it yet, the accounts only go up to June 2018
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Post by andygas on May 31, 2019 18:13:15 GMT
And the buck stops - as SL would say - at the top - and if he accepts that at BCFC - then surely the same applies at BRFC? Easy to say that when you are a billionaire and if it all goes wrong you just find another few million you haven't bothered to pay in UK taxes to sort the issue out. I don't get how you've turned on Wael, a few months ago he was the best thing since sliced bread, now everything will be fine when he's gone. In truth unless Hani decides to right off most of the debt then thr future looks dim if they move on rather than exciting, unless you get your excitement out of watching Rovers struggling for survival again. I've seen comments relating to SL avoiding taxes with the other lot previously and always thought people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones..
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Post by Marshy on May 31, 2019 18:18:17 GMT
Yeah it is incredible the complete turnaround in opinion, it’s like he caught Wael in bed with his wife I was shaggin this burd a few years ago when we heard th front door open.
'Its my husband, Quick try th back door' she said
Lookin back i really should have ran, but yous dont get offers like that every day.
Ha ha Dam brilliant!
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Post by glengas on May 31, 2019 18:18:33 GMT
I agree, I was commenting to Kyle that pointing fingers at DC is a joke. The blame lies with the people who run the club, no one else. re read what I said I said dc also had some blame in this and listed reasons why poor control over the wages bringing in staff that he didn’t need ect the board can’t just say no to a manager as that would totally undermine the manager and his position. 200k for Jonny burn btw a player we released after a year . How do you know it was too many staff? We ended up getting promotion to league 1. As for transfer frees and wages that is all set by the owners and I clearly remember Mr Hamer saying he was off to London to get the budget from them so DC operated within those constraints and to FFP. You mention burn at 200k but how much did Bodin, alone raise? The buck stops at the top where the club is run and the budget is set.
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Post by hometobarnsley on May 31, 2019 18:19:06 GMT
Think you'll find it's £65k per WEEK. Still not good, but not quite so alarming as that. Good spot, my mistake. Edited the original. No probs. Got any odd jobs you want doing? A couple of hours work at your rates would buy me and the wife a lovely cruise!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 18:28:52 GMT
re read what I said I said dc also had some blame in this and listed reasons why poor control over the wages bringing in staff that he didn’t need ect the board can’t just say no to a manager as that would totally undermine the manager and his position. 200k for Jonny burn btw a player we released after a year . How do you know it was too many staff? We ended up getting promotion to league 1. As for transfer frees and wages that is all set by the owners and I clearly remember Mr Hamer saying he was off to London to get the budget from them so DC operated within those constraints and to FFP. You mention burn at 200k but how much did Bodin, alone raise? The buck stops at the top where the club is run and the budget is set. the accounts arnt for the promotion season they are for this past season mate we added to our staffing list further after promotion so your point is invalid there
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 31, 2019 19:08:57 GMT
With all this financial doom and gloom i cant help but think back to what should have been our darkest hours ,the Twerton years, but turned out to be anything but that. ON gates half of what we get now we managed to pay over 400,000 for Tilson ,as well as twixt 200 and 300 thou for the likes of Roberts,Lambo,Cureton,Ellington,Foster,on return to Bristol, had great success, in fact, prob one of our best ever seasons when at Twerton. How did we do it? Well we sold the likes of Stewart,Taylor(Gareth!)Martyn,Ellington,Bazza,Roberts,for fees twixt 1.8 and 3 million!as well as the likes of Browning,Yates,Penrice,for well over 1/2 million! Move on to present days and we have to give away the club captain, sell a top scorer for peanuts,and allow others to leave for a steal,seem to have lost the ability to 'discover' talent in lower leagues(OLLY BRILLIANT AT THAT!)and as for paying 400 thou plus for some one ,no way !so the answer? back to Trumpton , sell the Mem, and resurrect rag bag Rovers!!and we ALL pull together!!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 19:16:38 GMT
Any excuse to have a go at DC again...
If you felt his tactical acumen was poor or that results weren't good enough, etc, then fair enough...blame the manager.
But to blame a football manager for the fact that we are this much in debt is ridiculous. The budget is determined by the owners. How it is spent is down to the manager and to an extent dictates how he is viewed as it has an impact on results. Eventually, DC couldn't keep replacing strikers with the required level of quality..that's why he was sacked. But the point is that he can only spend the finite amount that the owners gave him. The owners are 100% accountable for any allocation of budget. It's not like they gave DC 500k and he spent 600k. The manager, any manager, can only spend what the budget allows him to. If it's not enough he either wheel and deals (as he did for years) or walks.
That said, Chewbacca is also right in that the root cause here is the failure of every single board since we returned to Bristol in 1996 to actually invest in this tip of a ground.
However, what matters now is the situation we are in. It would seem that we are too much in debt to attract investment (£17.5m for a middling 3rd tier club), yet stuck with owners who have shown no sign of being able to do a Lansdown (not that they necessarily should have to, but then don't put us in this mess in the first place).
Forget any dreams of play offs and Championship football. I'm grateful I still have a club to watch, but genuinely fear how long that may be for.
And I was most definitely what some call a rose tinter.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 19:42:44 GMT
In fact, looking at these accounts year by year, I'd say we cannot sustain 3rd tier football.
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