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Post by Thatslife on Jun 7, 2019 7:25:05 GMT
Dont agree there is zero development land in Bristol / South Glos. There is a 1000+ acres available in severnside alone then there is part of Filtot Airfield that is in Bristol. Bristol City Council have never turned down a planning application from BRFC. The one annd only reason we haven't got land for a new stadium is purely financial. We've already had pp turned down for Severnside there's no real proof we'd get it now plus i doubt many Gasheads favour a ground miles from our heartland. The land at Filton Airport would probably cost more now to purchase than the Mem land, we've missed the boat with that land, having the Areana and a stadium there would have seemed ideal as a combined leisure/sports complex. With respect, I think your confusing Severnside with Avonmouth, not the same place, however the PP that was turned down was due to tbe danger from the chemical factories which are no longer there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2019 7:42:50 GMT
We've already had pp turned down for Severnside there's no real proof we'd get it now plus i doubt many Gasheads favour a ground miles from our heartland. The land at Filton Airport would probably cost more now to purchase than the Mem land, we've missed the boat with that land, having the Areana and a stadium there would have seemed ideal as a combined leisure/sports complex. With respect, I think your confusing Severnside with Avonmouth, not the same place, however the PP that was turned down was due to tbe danger from the chemical factories which are no longer there. I did say no real proof we would get pp, I accept equally there's also no evidence we wouldn't! Although there's been no rumours we're even looked and if we ever did then somebody would still have to find £30m+ to build the stadium. Filton Airport seems a damn sight better location, as did the UWE site.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 7, 2019 8:08:44 GMT
Indeed it might. But not with the current owners. They say they are working incredibly hard behind the scenes though. Sadly no evidence of this incredibly hard work is available. But if you still have blind faith after 21 months of total inactivity since the UWE collapse, and it is a comfort to you, then fine. UWE collapsed 5 months ago, not 21 months. Certainly not the case that there has been no activity. I beg to differ. The current owners have had no direct contact with UWE for 21 months. What you are referring to is a third party that tried to resurrect the UWE deal around 9 months ago. That failed. If you can share some actual evidence that the owners have been actively searching for a new site, I would love to see it. Smoke and mirrors and quite frankly b*llsh*t for 21 months. But that's good enough for some.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 7, 2019 8:09:44 GMT
With respect, I think your confusing Severnside with Avonmouth, not the same place, however the PP that was turned down was due to tbe danger from the chemical factories which are no longer there. I did say no real proof we would get pp, I accept equally there's also no evidence we wouldn't! Although there's been no rumours we're even looked and if we ever did then somebody would still have to find £30m+ to build the stadium. Filton Airport seems a damn sight better location, as did the UWE site. A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that
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Post by singupgas on Jun 7, 2019 9:27:05 GMT
I did say no real proof we would get pp, I accept equally there's also no evidence we wouldn't! Although there's been no rumours we're even looked and if we ever did then somebody would still have to find £30m+ to build the stadium. Filton Airport seems a damn sight better location, as did the UWE site. A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that Such a cocktease arent ya!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2019 9:39:44 GMT
I did say no real proof we would get pp, I accept equally there's also no evidence we wouldn't! Although there's been no rumours we're even looked and if we ever did then somebody would still have to find £30m+ to build the stadium. Filton Airport seems a damn sight better location, as did the UWE site. A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that All well and good but have the owners any real interest in finding a site? If they did then I doubt it will have taken them nearly 2 years to find one. You do wonder what their long term aim is as surely they can't just accept £3m debts year on year but they seem to have little interest in building a new stadium. Whilst Daniel will no doubt disagree we seem to have the worst of both worlds now, owners happy to incur massive losses/build massive debts but seemingly no interest in building a new ground. How long will take for us to become the next Bolton or Bury?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jun 7, 2019 9:55:09 GMT
UWE collapsed 5 months ago, not 21 months. Certainly not the case that there has been no activity. I beg to differ. The current owners have had no direct contact with UWE for 21 months. What you are referring to is a third party that tried to resurrect the UWE deal around 9 months ago. That failed. If you can share some actual evidence that the owners have been actively searching for a new site, I would love to see it. Smoke and mirrors and quite frankly b*llsh*t for 21 months. But that's good enough for some. Its very rare on projects as big as a stadium that business owners would actively search themselves without the use of a third party. We only did previously because of our boards experience in the building industry, but also our third party commercially was also the UWE. So the third party, was acting on behalf of or in accordance with BRFC, so effectively, the club was actively trying to ressurect the UWE. Frankly, its a moot point of which you are just trying to split hairs over.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 7, 2019 10:20:13 GMT
Didn’t Wael say in the last interview we have identified a few sites & also have interest in the Mem but the issue is do you get the land or the planning permission first?
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Post by tomylil on Jun 7, 2019 10:31:33 GMT
I did say no real proof we would get pp, I accept equally there's also no evidence we wouldn't! Although there's been no rumours we're even looked and if we ever did then somebody would still have to find £30m+ to build the stadium. Filton Airport seems a damn sight better location, as did the UWE site. A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that An enabling partner needs money to build their part of the bargain. The partner also needs to contribute towards the land purchase, infrastructure costs and planning gain automatically sought by local authorities. AQ's don't have that money and they are already "owed" c £20m which they would want to claw back before anything else happens. We are therefore talking about someone with the ability to raise perhaps £60m to pay off the Jordanians, share the cost of making a site fit for development, and then paying for the construction of the stadium itself. All for a League 1 club which hasn't averaged 5 figure crowds for around 40 years ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2019 10:35:06 GMT
A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that An enabling partner needs money to build their part of the bargain. The partner also needs to contribute towards the land purchase, infrastructure costs and planning gain automatically sought by local authorities. AQ's don't have that money and they are already "owed" c £20m which they would want to claw back before anything else happens. We are therefore talking about someone with the ability to raise perhaps £60m to pay off the Jordanians, share the cost of making a site fit for development, and then paying for the construction of the stadium itself. All for a League 1 club which hasn't averaged 5 figure crowds for around 40 years ? You maybe right but we don't know for certain the ALQ's can't finance a stadium build. Clearly they hoped to somehow fiance the UWE, if they've been in discussions on two separate occasions with them.
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Post by singupgas on Jun 7, 2019 10:40:31 GMT
A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that An enabling partner needs money to build their part of the bargain. The partner also needs to contribute towards the land purchase, infrastructure costs and planning gain automatically sought by local authorities. AQ's don't have that money and they are already "owed" c £20m which they would want to claw back before anything else happens. We are therefore talking about someone with the ability to raise perhaps £60m to pay off the Jordanians, share the cost of making a site fit for development, and then paying for the construction of the stadium itself. All for a League 1 club which hasn't averaged 5 figure crowds for around 40 years ?Sh!t ground so not surprised, nobody really wants to stands in the wind and rain throughout winter. Plus the capacity is barely over 5 figures anyway. If the ALQs want out, then i believe they are going to have to sell up at a loss. They are kidding themselves if they think anyone going to pay 20m. Put into perspective Sunderland were sold for 40million, and they are a far more established and club than us.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 7, 2019 10:54:49 GMT
A Small plot of land became available on the Filton site, on a bit owned by AIRBUS/BAe near the old fire station next to the A38, not sure if its still available. BCC sent out invitations to local business about the various plots of land near the new Motorway junction, upto 50 acres in size, i'm pretty sure BRFC had one BCC are looking for an enabling partner for the site so i would guess a stadium complex/Hotel etc would be ideal for that An enabling partner needs money to build their part of the bargain. The partner also needs to contribute towards the land purchase, infrastructure costs and planning gain automatically sought by local authorities. AQ's don't have that money and they are already "owed" c £20m which they would want to claw back before anything else happens. We are therefore talking about someone with the ability to raise perhaps £60m to pay off the Jordanians, share the cost of making a site fit for development, and then paying for the construction of the stadium itself. All for a League 1 club which hasn't averaged 5 figure crowds for around 40 years ? Would it not be cheaper for them to liquidate the club and move on ?
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Post by Fetch on Jun 7, 2019 11:08:06 GMT
An enabling partner needs money to build their part of the bargain. The partner also needs to contribute towards the land purchase, infrastructure costs and planning gain automatically sought by local authorities. AQ's don't have that money and they are already "owed" c £20m which they would want to claw back before anything else happens. We are therefore talking about someone with the ability to raise perhaps £60m to pay off the Jordanians, share the cost of making a site fit for development, and then paying for the construction of the stadium itself. All for a League 1 club which hasn't averaged 5 figure crowds for around 40 years ? You maybe right but we don't know for certain the ALQ's can't finance a stadium build. Clearly they hoped to somehow fiance the UWE, if they've been in discussions on two separate occasions with them. This is it for me, they've said from Day 1 that money won't be an issue, and I really don't think it will be. They just want to build a stadium that is self-sustaining, generates revenue, and is future-proof, so that they don't have to plug £20m a year into the coffers to keep us afloat after building it. Hence the long negotiations with UWE over income streams, and hence the lack of significant/permanent structures being added to the Mem (dead rubber for revenue). It's not that they don't have money, it's that they don't want to waste money. People want an overnight fix when in reality it's going to take a bit of time to find the right site.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:11:58 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire?
Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton?
Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams.
You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name.
Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:20:28 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire? Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton? Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams. You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name. Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us. why do the owners of the club and the club deserve not to be bashed? We are in a state financially and it needs improving! We seemingly have no plans to address this or our future and are just spiralling more and more in debt towards doom! Granted we need to do something as a fan base rather than just moan. Let’s start a thread and see what happens!
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Post by swissgas on Jun 7, 2019 11:31:58 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire? Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton? Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams. You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name. Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us. I’ve just emptied my machines and got a bag full of quarters which I might be tempted to put into Rovers if Dwane Sports would take their charge off the Mem and convert their loan to shares.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:36:19 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire? Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton? Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams. You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name. Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us. I'd reply to this with a long answer.......but I've got three tumble dryers to empty, and those little boxes of washing powder in the dispenser don't get in there on their own.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 11:37:55 GMT
Quartered, not aimed at you but get a committee together, get a plan, plenty of fan ownerships like Exeter and Wimbledon, get the multi millionaire banker on here involved, arrange a protest with creditable points, let us know your names when you are doing this, put some facts behind your points, go to Radio Bristol and GT and ask for airtime..........this lot on here in their pants hiding behind a screen are embarrassing compared to Blackpool, Bolton, Bury and Charlton fans groups.
I work in the printing industry and digital media market, the millionaire banker on here could easily fund some promotional material for you to set up the campaign, do we need to go public on who he is? We also know who is reading this and you keep feeding your assailants information.
This is an embarrassing thread with blokes willing to do nothing about it, that’s the truth.
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Post by legas on Jun 7, 2019 11:38:31 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire? Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton? Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams. You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name. Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us. I'd reply to this with a long answer.......but I've got three tumble dryers to empty, and those little boxes of washing powder in the dispenser don't get in there on their own. I bet you cafe and launderette owners do good cappu chinos.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 7, 2019 11:39:48 GMT
7 pages of club bashing, speculating, loads of millionaires on here in their own fields of business not willing to put a penny in. I hear we’ve even got an ex banker on this thread who is a multi millionaire? Imagine if this forum was about when we sold Eastville to the Greyhound Company? Imagine if it was around when we went to Twerton? Why can’t fans just enjoy it for what we are, a Div1 club what we always have been for the majority of our history and rag bag. Yes we all want better but I wish these millionaires on here would do something about it, I mean they never even invested when anyone could join the board with investment like Turl, Spencer and Williams. You entrepreneurs on here have got to stop talking and speculating and do something about it. If we hit administration we lose 12 points and probably face Div2 and we’ve already tasted the conference now. Oxford and Coventry in Div1 paying rent, I’m all for giving Wael Al Qadi the benefit of the doubt but then I’m not a millionaire hiding behind a user name. Keep bashing away lads, I hope the cafe’s and launderette’s you are running are in much better state than us. I guess you are jesting dear sir ?
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