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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 6, 2019 17:42:07 GMT
Well they still are at the moment. So you would assume they have a long term plan. I agree they won't want to keep paying our losses long-term. Which is why I think they are working on something. I think they probably would sell up, if they got an offer, as it's a lot harder than they thought. We wouldn't be any better off though, unless the person had mega money to waste. If they had, had enough already. The budget would have went down last year, not up. So I take that as meaning, they don't want out yet.
Selling up would get a lot harder the longer they leave it, unless they are willing to write off a lot of debt so potential buyers will be interested.
I hope they are working on something behind the scenes, but when you considering the colony ground is still to be built on, it doesn't give much confidence for bigger projects.
I agree, but I can see why the training ground has been put on hold. Would you spend out more, before having a ground sorted???
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 6, 2019 17:45:15 GMT
Nothing to do with the old board. I dinnae know why folk cant fucckin spit it out. For clarity are you saying th drip feeding of bullsh1t is coming from Steve Hamer? Think that's why Starnes was brought in and why Hamer has been given less responsibility. Don't think he's trusted anymore.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 6, 2019 17:49:14 GMT
I dinnae know why folk cant fucckin spit it out. For clarity are you saying th drip feeding of bullsh1t is coming from Steve Hamer? Think that's why Starnes was brought in and why Hamer has been given less responsibility. Don't think he's trusted anymore. Ok cheers pal thanx for th reply (and yous Gashead81).
Therefore i would suggest anything coming out of th gobs of Hamer or Masters has agenda written all over it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 6, 2019 17:58:02 GMT
My opinion, fwiw, is that the owners genuinely had plans to take us to the next level when they took over. The UWE deal was not going to be good enough to meet their ambitions, so they pulled out, thinking that there were plenty of other options out there. I don't believe they were lying when they said finance wasn't as issue. I think they believed it wouldn't be, although the necessary investors had not been found. Then the ambitious plans were nipped in the bud,for reasons which have never been clear to me. The training ground was mothballed, and Wael, as he publicly confirmed, went back to UWE (cap in hand?) to try and resurrect it, since it was by now the only deal in town. By then we had left it too late, and UWE told us they were no longer interested. So, in hindsight, pulling out of the original deal was a terrible mistake. Our best chance ever to progress was abandoned, albeit for honourable reasons. That's how I see it. Problem with that theory is that surely the ALQ's advisers would have told them there's zero development land in N. Bristol/South Glos? Plus if a aite was found it could take up to 5 years just to get full pp. I'm not sure it was a case of leaving it too late as it seems talks were resurrected late last year, if so, I sense the UWE just got tired of the ALQ's being unable to agree a deal which they found acceptable. The question must be is the UWE completely dead or just dead as far as the ALQ's are concerned, as I'm pretty certain the UWE haven't produced any other plans for the land earmarked for the stadium. Apparently the Civil Service land has been sold for £25m so that gives us a rough idea of the Mem site value.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 6, 2019 18:05:29 GMT
Meanwhile, a funny thing happened at th London Stock Exchange today . . .
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Post by Jomo on Jun 6, 2019 18:17:38 GMT
My opinion, fwiw, is that the owners genuinely had plans to take us to the next level when they took over. The UWE deal was not going to be good enough to meet their ambitions, so they pulled out, thinking that there were plenty of other options out there. I don't believe they were lying when they said finance wasn't as issue. I think they believed it wouldn't be, although the necessary investors had not been found. Then the ambitious plans were nipped in the bud,for reasons which have never been clear to me. The training ground was mothballed, and Wael, as he publicly confirmed, went back to UWE (cap in hand?) to try and resurrect it, since it was by now the only deal in town. By then we had left it too late, and UWE told us they were no longer interested. So, in hindsight, pulling out of the original deal was a terrible mistake. Our best chance ever to progress was abandoned, albeit for honourable reasons. That's how I see it. You may be right, but we just don't know. Personally I have assumed along the same lines as yourself. However, how honourable can you call gross incompetence if what you say is correct. In fact it would be gross negligence on behalf of the club and its place in history.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 19:41:27 GMT
Meanwhile, a funny thing happened at th London Stock Exchange today . . .
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still get a kick out of working for a competitor! Makes it all the sweeter!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 20:25:32 GMT
Yes I smiled when I read that .... probably won’t worry Mr Lansdown too much though. He has diluted his holdings wisely over the last few years.
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Post by Thatslife on Jun 6, 2019 20:30:42 GMT
My opinion, fwiw, is that the owners genuinely had plans to take us to the next level when they took over. The UWE deal was not going to be good enough to meet their ambitions, so they pulled out, thinking that there were plenty of other options out there. I don't believe they were lying when they said finance wasn't as issue. I think they believed it wouldn't be, although the necessary investors had not been found. Then the ambitious plans were nipped in the bud,for reasons which have never been clear to me. The training ground was mothballed, and Wael, as he publicly confirmed, went back to UWE (cap in hand?) to try and resurrect it, since it was by now the only deal in town. By then we had left it too late, and UWE told us they were no longer interested. So, in hindsight, pulling out of the original deal was a terrible mistake. Our best chance ever to progress was abandoned, albeit for honourable reasons. That's how I see it. Problem with that theory is that surely the ALQ's advisers would have told them there's zero development land in N. Bristol/South Glos? Plus if a aite was found it could take up to 5 years just to get full pp. I'm not sure it was a case of leaving it too late as it seems talks were resurrected late last year, if so, I sense the UWE just got tired of the ALQ's being unable to agree a deal which they found acceptable. The question must be is the UWE completely dead or just dead as far as the ALQ's are concerned, as I'm pretty certain the UWE haven't produced any other plans for the land earmarked for the stadium. Apparently the Civil Service land has been sold for £25m so that gives us a rough idea of the Mem site value. Dont agree there is zero development land in Bristol / South Glos. There is a 1000+ acres available in severnside alone then there is part of Filtot Airfield that is in Bristol. Bristol City Council have never turned down a planning application from BRFC. The one annd only reason we haven't got land for a new stadium is purely financial.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 6, 2019 21:06:08 GMT
Problem with that theory is that surely the ALQ's advisers would have told them there's zero development land in N. Bristol/South Glos? Plus if a aite was found it could take up to 5 years just to get full pp. I'm not sure it was a case of leaving it too late as it seems talks were resurrected late last year, if so, I sense the UWE just got tired of the ALQ's being unable to agree a deal which they found acceptable. The question must be is the UWE completely dead or just dead as far as the ALQ's are concerned, as I'm pretty certain the UWE haven't produced any other plans for the land earmarked for the stadium. Apparently the Civil Service land has been sold for £25m so that gives us a rough idea of the Mem site value. Dont agree there is zero development land in Bristol / South Glos. There is a 1000+ acres available in severnside alone then there is part of Filtot Airfield that is in Bristol. Bristol City Council have never turned down a planning application from BRFC. The one annd only reason we haven't got land for a new stadium is purely financial. We've already had pp turned down for Severnside there's no real proof we'd get it now plus i doubt many Gasheads favour a ground miles from our heartland. The land at Filton Airport would probably cost more now to purchase than the Mem land, we've missed the boat with that land, having the Areana and a stadium there would have seemed ideal as a combined leisure/sports complex.
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Post by hometobarnsley on Jun 6, 2019 21:45:51 GMT
Dont agree there is zero development land in Bristol / South Glos. There is a 1000+ acres available in severnside alone then there is part of Filtot Airfield that is in Bristol. Bristol City Council have never turned down a planning application from BRFC. The one annd only reason we haven't got land for a new stadium is purely financial. We've already had pp turned down for Severnside there's no real proof we'd get it now plus i doubt many Gasheads favour a ground miles from our heartland. The land at Filton Airport would probably cost more now to purchase than the Mem land, we've missed the boat with that land, having the Areana and a stadium there would have seemed ideal as a combined leisure/sports complex. We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 6, 2019 22:00:34 GMT
We've already had pp turned down for Severnside there's no real proof we'd get it now plus i doubt many Gasheads favour a ground miles from our heartland. The land at Filton Airport would probably cost more now to purchase than the Mem land, we've missed the boat with that land, having the Areana and a stadium there would have seemed ideal as a combined leisure/sports complex. We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade.
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Post by hometobarnsley on Jun 6, 2019 22:16:24 GMT
We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. There were lots of pretty pictures and plans made, but no planning application was submitted.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 6, 2019 22:30:58 GMT
We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. I agree I'd be surprised if we see a new stadium in the next decade. And if we don't, who knows what sort of club we'll be supporting by then, as the Mem I'm sure won't sustain L1 football in 10 years time, the way football is going. It barely sustains it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 22:48:24 GMT
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 7, 2019 5:33:18 GMT
We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. The only new ground we will get in the near future is if we have to ground share with our friends south of the river....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 5:45:50 GMT
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. The only new ground we will get in the near future is if we have to ground share with our friends south of the river.... Sort yourself out man! You've gone to the dogs.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 7, 2019 6:40:03 GMT
Got to laugh, or I will cry! I know we need a stadium, we need other revenue streams. Just trying to help people see, it might still happen one day. Indeed it might. But not with the current owners. They say they are working incredibly hard behind the scenes though. Sadly no evidence of this incredibly hard work is available. But if you still have blind faith after 21 months of total inactivity since the UWE collapse, and it is a comfort to you, then fine. UWE collapsed 5 months ago, not 21 months. Certainly not the case that there has been no activity.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jun 7, 2019 7:00:11 GMT
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. There were lots of pretty pictures and plans made, but no planning application was submitted. From my recollection, the major stumbling block was that ICI wanted to build (and pay for) a junction on the fledgling M49 directly onto their site. The then City Council wanted it further back towards Avonmouth, that scuppered the land owners aspirations to develop the site further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 7:17:16 GMT
We never put a planning application in for Severnside. We talked to the council about developing a large area, to include a stadium and finance the said stadium by selling off the rest of the developments units. After many months of discussions and 'Artists impressions' being published, the then leader of the council got cold feet saying that there was no guarantee that a stadium would ever be built and the rest is history.
So somebody just made all this up about plans being submitted then? gasheads.org/thread/192/archivesGasheads just dream about plots of land being available for a stadium but in 50(?) years we've never managed to find one other than the one at the UWE, and our friends south of the the river haven't had any more joy. Unless we somehow find a way to get the UWE back on board I don't expect to see Rovers in a new stadium within the next decade. As I have said before on here the Rhodia chemical site and the British Gas LNG site are long since closed and in the case of Rhodia, I believe warehousing is now built on the site. The M49 junction is well under way and opens before the end of this year. "Build it and they will come" someone once said, location would not be an issue for Gasheads, after all we played in Bath for several years unless my memory fails me.
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