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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jun 28, 2019 9:56:44 GMT
So, have we missed out on our targeted signings? Or are they still in the works?
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Post by Marshy on Jun 28, 2019 9:58:43 GMT
So, have we missed out on our targeted signings? Or are they still in the works? Yes.
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Post by Jomo on Jun 28, 2019 10:01:03 GMT
The thing is you're right we do often miss a lot of gems that go onto big success with other clubs, but on the flip side for every success story there's bound to be at least as many flops from players plucked from obscurity in Non League. And for all the ones we missed, we did at least go for Taylor, Bodin etc, and we also gambled on the likes of Mensah and Menayese, although their potential success at league level is on a knife edge and they may or may not end up being good signings. I wish we were bold enough like Posh to snap up more of the non league potential gems, but a club like ours has to find some way of competing with clubs like Posh who no doubt pay much better wages than us and can sell the dream of being sold on for millions, as has happened with countless numbers of their former players over the years. We aren't able to gamble as much as we have to nail it with our limited budget. I still hope we continue to scour the lower levels of non league though, and obviously the likes of pirate have great knowledge to tap into. While I totally agree on the points of BRFC changing their recruitment policy to target non league players with potential, as we used to do to unearth some gems, I’m not sure the Peterborough model is something I would like our club to follow. Peterborough seem to have an extremely high turnover of players which more often than not leads to a very unsettled squad due to trying to bed high numbers of players into a team every season. For all the success they have had making profits on players they still remain a league one club who fail under the high expectations every season Oh I agree completely and don't get me wrong I would not want to see us replicate Posh, but more to adopt a slightly more gutsy approach to recruitment. They obviously have a very high turnover of players as their policy is to get young players in with a lot of potential, and then either release them, cut their losses (Nichols/Angol), or make a huge profit (Marriott, Assombalonga, Boyd, McLean, Mackail-Smith, Gayle, etc). No doubt they are able to bring in players like Mo Eisa and Matt Godden purely because of their existing transfer policy which funds it and also attracts these players to them as a stepping stone to greater things. I wouldn't really want to see ourselves portrayed in that light (as a stepping stone) but honestly if we were each to logically look at the Gas as a club, I think we would all have to admit that that is exactly where we're at as a club. Someone like JCH would be a fool not to want to challenge himself at a higher level if offers came in that would make a better future for himself and his family. As disappointing as it was to lose our best players window after window, it's simply inevitable as we're not a big draw for players (as much as we fans who love this club would like to think). It's just Posh know their place in the pecking order, and they use it to their advantage. Would I want Rovers to replicate it? No, but I do think we could learn a thing or two from how they do things. Henbury to answer your question about whether a club came in for JCH, would I be happy about it? No I wouldn't, but would it surprise me? No it wouldn't. That is how football works, we're no different to any other club and in fact we are less able than many to resist offers for talented players on our books, because we do not have much by way of fundraising capability other than flogging our best players. To expect anything else is a bit naive wouldn't you say? We are not a big fish, and little fish cannot compete in this day and age. Even the likes of Barnsley and Pompey, big clubs at this level, can't keep hold of their best players. Doncaster who have a fairly new stadium, they can't keep hold of their best players. Why should we think ourselves to be any different?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 10:06:20 GMT
So, have we missed out on our targeted signings? Or are they still in the works? Yes. Couldn’t say for definite but I sense we are looking at seriously decent players who will be coveted by many clubs. GC will be working overtime I’m sure but let’s face it we are not an attractive proposition for many players ...relocation also very costly. Budget tight due to money spunked unwisely by the last regime. July will be a long month for sure...
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Post by wilkimania on Jun 28, 2019 10:12:22 GMT
With Tranmere fans seeming to think that Payne could be signing for them in the next few days and the Swindon manager saying that he hopes the Bennett deal is sorted in the next couple of weeks, I can't help but wonder who the players are that we're struggle to move on? I mean it could be that Tranmere fans are misinformed and that the gap between the deal we want and swindon want is big but if they're right then who else are we trying to move on? Mensah is the first one to spring to mind, but other than that I'm struggling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 10:25:00 GMT
With Tranmere fans seeming to think that Payne could be signing for them in the next few days and the Swindon manager saying that he hopes the Bennett deal is sorted in the next couple of weeks, I can't help but wonder who the players are that we're struggle to move on? I mean it could be that Tranmere fans are misinformed and that the gap between the deal we want and swindon want is big but if they're right then who else are we trying to move on? Mensah is the first one to spring to mind, but other than that I'm struggling. To be honest I will drive both of them to their chosen clubs right now. Maybe it’s timing ... “You can’t add until you ship out...” and we can’t tie up the deals... God knows !
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Post by tylerdunnell03 on Jun 28, 2019 10:31:17 GMT
Lion heart, the creator of this thread, claims to have been told there could be a few in the pipeline 24th onwards so hopefully what he was told was correct and we get one in from today and onwards, early next week! Yes ... I spoke again last night and was told One deal done ... One fallen out of bed but not our fault ... Guy was offered more Money elsewhere. We can not unload a few we want to...lots of conversations and deals trying to be struck. Goalkeeping position not really advancing much for a permanent signing as we have missed out on two but GC has lots of options. Lots of conversations happening, agents pushing players but the better ones are waiting to see what they can get offered. I’m still very optimistic for sure and we have to Hold our nerve. Hopefully the done deal can be fully completed and announced today then
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Post by Jomo on Jun 28, 2019 10:35:56 GMT
Yes ... I spoke again last night and was told One deal done ... One fallen out of bed but not our fault ... Guy was offered more Money elsewhere. We can not unload a few we want to...lots of conversations and deals trying to be struck. Goalkeeping position not really advancing much for a permanent signing as we have missed out on two but GC has lots of options. Lots of conversations happening, agents pushing players but the better ones are waiting to see what they can get offered. I’m still very optimistic for sure and we have to Hold our nerve. Hopefully the done deal can be fully completed and announced today then In a rush? What's the difference between today and Monday in the grand scheme of things?
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 28, 2019 10:39:08 GMT
Hopefully the done deal can be fully completed and announced today then In a rush? What's the difference between today and Monday in the grand scheme of things? Saturday and Sunday usually.....🤪
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Post by Jomo on Jun 28, 2019 10:45:33 GMT
In a rush? What's the difference between today and Monday in the grand scheme of things? Saturday and Sunday usually.....🤪 Haha true!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 28, 2019 10:45:34 GMT
With Tranmere fans seeming to think that Payne could be signing for them in the next few days and the Swindon manager saying that he hopes the Bennett deal is sorted in the next couple of weeks, I can't help but wonder who the players are that we're struggle to move on? I mean it could be that Tranmere fans are misinformed and that the gap between the deal we want and swindon want is big but if they're right then who else are we trying to move on? Mensah is the first one to spring to mind, but other than that I'm struggling. To be honest I will drive both of them to their chosen clubs right now. Maybe it’s timing ... “You can’t add until you ship out...” and we can’t tie up the deals... God knows ! We not Man C etc we clearly need to offload the high earners before we can bring in their replacements, until the deals are signed there's always a chance they'll collapse. I'm not sure why certain posters are desperate for us to announce signings this week. or next week, when we're still over a month away from the start of the season. Deals will probably all start to be completed soon as players won't want to miss out on a decent pre-season with their new clubs.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 28, 2019 10:58:51 GMT
So, have we missed out on our targeted signings? Or are they still in the works? Well i did notice that the snake is still in his vivarium Scheißhaus
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 28, 2019 11:02:59 GMT
Couldn’t say for definite but I sense we are looking at seriously decent players who will be coveted by many clubs. GC will be working overtime I’m sure but let’s face it we are not an attractive proposition for many players ...relocation also very costly. Budget tight due to money spunked unwisely by the last regime. July will be a long month for sure... I am no fan of Nick Higgs. But are you seriously suggesting that we have a tight budget now due to the money wasted by the last regime... they left the building 3 1/2 years ago FFS! Budget cuts (if true) are down to Dwane Sports (mis)management. On average gates of 8,300 (ish) we should not be posting huge annual losses. Period.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 28, 2019 11:07:23 GMT
Couldn’t say for definite but I sense we are looking at seriously decent players who will be coveted by many clubs. GC will be working overtime I’m sure but let’s face it we are not an attractive proposition for many players ...relocation also very costly. Budget tight due to money spunked unwisely by the last regime. July will be a long month for sure... I am no fan of Nick Higgs. But are you seriously suggesting that we have a tight budget now due to the money wasted by the last regime... they left the building 3 1/2 years ago FFS! Budget cuts (if true) are down to Dwane Sports (mis)management. On average gates of 8,300 (ish) we should not be posting huge annual losses. Period. Lionheart is referring to DC spunking money on crap signings.
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Post by Fetch on Jun 28, 2019 11:08:05 GMT
Couldn’t say for definite but I sense we are looking at seriously decent players who will be coveted by many clubs. GC will be working overtime I’m sure but let’s face it we are not an attractive proposition for many players ...relocation also very costly. Budget tight due to money spunked unwisely by the last regime. July will be a long month for sure... I am no fan of Nick Higgs. But are you seriously suggesting that we have a tight budget now due to the money wasted by the last regime... they left the building 3 1/2 years ago FFS! Budget cuts (if true) are down to Dwane Sports (mis)management. On average gates of 8,300 (ish) we should not be posting huge annual losses. Period. Unless you want a squad of players on £400pw then you have to expect these losses when our stadium generates next to no revenue comparatively.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 28, 2019 11:09:07 GMT
While I totally agree on the points of BRFC changing their recruitment policy to target non league players with potential, as we used to do to unearth some gems, I’m not sure the Peterborough model is something I would like our club to follow. Peterborough seem to have an extremely high turnover of players which more often than not leads to a very unsettled squad due to trying to bed high numbers of players into a team every season. For all the success they have had making profits on players they still remain a league one club who fail under the high expectations every season Oh I agree completely and don't get me wrong I would not want to see us replicate Posh, but more to adopt a slightly more gutsy approach to recruitment. They obviously have a very high turnover of players as their policy is to get young players in with a lot of potential, and then either release them, cut their losses (Nichols/Angol), or make a huge profit (Marriott, Assombalonga, Boyd, McLean, Mackail-Smith, Gayle, etc). No doubt they are able to bring in players like Mo Eisa and Matt Godden purely because of their existing transfer policy which funds it and also attracts these players to them as a stepping stone to greater things. I wouldn't really want to see ourselves portrayed in that light (as a stepping stone) but honestly if we were each to logically look at the Gas as a club, I think we would all have to admit that that is exactly where we're at as a club. Someone like JCH would be a fool not to want to challenge himself at a higher level if offers came in that would make a better future for himself and his family. As disappointing as it was to lose our best players window after window, it's simply inevitable as we're not a big draw for players (as much as we fans who love this club would like to think). It's just Posh know their place in the pecking order, and they use it to their advantage. Would I want Rovers to replicate it? No, but I do think we could learn a thing or two from how they do things. Henbury to answer your question about whether a club came in for JCH, would I be happy about it? No I wouldn't, but would it surprise me? No it wouldn't. That is how football works, we're no different to any other club and in fact we are less able than many to resist offers for talented players on our books, because we do not have much by way of fundraising capability other than flogging our best players. To expect anything else is a bit naive wouldn't you say? We are not a big fish, and little fish cannot compete in this day and age. Even the likes of Barnsley and Pompey, big clubs at this level, can't keep hold of their best players. Doncaster who have a fairly new stadium, they can't keep hold of their best players. Why should we think ourselves to be any different? Great response and I have to say I completely agree with that. I think the thing we could do differently and what I would like to see personally is a transfer policy aimed at looking 2-3 years in advance. I know it’s hard and difficult for clubs like us to achieve this but a vision based on finding players for our development squad also so that when we have sold our gem onto the next club, we have a player ready and waiting to take over as the next player with the potential to fill that void. Big transfer fees and in demand players are extremely difficult to sign for a club like ours, so instead of replacing players with the goddens and eisas as Peterborough do we have players who have already spent time at the club developing and already understand what it takes to play for BRFC This way we can avoid the high turnover of players and the unsettlement that this brings
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 28, 2019 11:12:31 GMT
I am no fan of Nick Higgs. But are you seriously suggesting that we have a tight budget now due to the money wasted by the last regime... they left the building 3 1/2 years ago FFS! Budget cuts (if true) are down to Dwane Sports (mis)management. On average gates of 8,300 (ish) we should not be posting huge annual losses. Period. Unless you want a squad of players on £400pw then you have to expect these losses when our stadium generates next to no revenue comparatively.I Think TG is trying very hard to address this, this week alone, the NHS have been using the mem for training purposes
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Post by Fetch on Jun 28, 2019 11:17:22 GMT
Unless you want a squad of players on £400pw then you have to expect these losses when our stadium generates next to no revenue comparatively.I Think TG is trying very hard to address this, this week alone, the NHS have been using the mem for training purposes I appreciate that, but to be honest it's polishing a turd for want of a better phrase, TG's job at this stage is minimising losses rather than maximising profit (although same thing really). His real work begins if/when we move to a new ground that is profitable - his job will be to make it as self-sustainable as possible, I would imagine.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 28, 2019 11:32:17 GMT
I Think TG is trying very hard to address this, this week alone, the NHS have been using the mem for training purposes I appreciate that, but to be honest it's polishing a turd for want of a better phrase, TG's job at this stage is minimising losses rather than maximising profit (although same thing really). His real work begins if/when we move to a new ground that is profitable - his job will be to make it as self-sustainable as possible, I would imagine. Do you think that Tom will live until he is 150 years old?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 28, 2019 11:32:29 GMT
With Tranmere fans seeming to think that Payne could be signing for them in the next few days and the Swindon manager saying that he hopes the Bennett deal is sorted in the next couple of weeks, I can't help but wonder who the players are that we're struggle to move on? I mean it could be that Tranmere fans are misinformed and that the gap between the deal we want and swindon want is big but if they're right then who else are we trying to move on? Mensah is the first one to spring to mind, but other than that I'm struggling. Maybe it's to do with money. If they don't match the wages we are currently paying, they might not want to move. Unless we pay the difference. So it could still take up some of the budget, even if we move player's on. A lot of fans have said Bennett is one of our top earners, don't know if that's true. If it is, can a league 2 club afford to pay that?? Expect Payne would have signed a decent contact for this level. We were desperate for a striker at the time and he did ok the season before.
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