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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 28, 2019 11:44:34 GMT
We always seem to miss the best ones right under our noses
The thing is you're right we do often miss a lot of gems that go onto big success with other clubs, but on the flip side for every success story there's bound to be at least as many flops from players plucked from obscurity in Non League. And for all the ones we missed, we did at least go for Taylor, Bodin etc, and we also gambled on the likes of Mensah and Menayese, although their potential success at league level is on a knife edge and they may or may not end up being good signings. I wish we were bold enough like Posh to snap up more of the non league potential gems, but a club like ours has to find some way of competing with clubs like Posh who no doubt pay much better wages than us and can sell the dream of being sold on for millions, as has happened with countless numbers of their former players over the years. We aren't able to gamble as much as we have to nail it with our limited budget. I still hope we continue to scour the lower levels of non league though, and obviously the likes of pirate have great knowledge to tap into.
But I do wonder why we don't pluck players like these from obscurity anymore. Maybe its easier to do it when you are in the conference whereas L1 is a big step from that standard and its a bigger risk? (Although injury cases from higher league clubs who are already on big wages would be as big a risk if not more)
I guess it boils down to the network of scouts you have and the ability to judge if they have the potential to have an impact at your level. There are obviously more factors involved but as Del-Boy says "He who dares wins"
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 28, 2019 11:59:02 GMT
The thing is you're right we do often miss a lot of gems that go onto big success with other clubs, but on the flip side for every success story there's bound to be at least as many flops from players plucked from obscurity in Non League. And for all the ones we missed, we did at least go for Taylor, Bodin etc, and we also gambled on the likes of Mensah and Menayese, although their potential success at league level is on a knife edge and they may or may not end up being good signings. I wish we were bold enough like Posh to snap up more of the non league potential gems, but a club like ours has to find some way of competing with clubs like Posh who no doubt pay much better wages than us and can sell the dream of being sold on for millions, as has happened with countless numbers of their former players over the years. We aren't able to gamble as much as we have to nail it with our limited budget. I still hope we continue to scour the lower levels of non league though, and obviously the likes of pirate have great knowledge to tap into. While I totally agree on the points of BRFC changing their recruitment policy to target non league players with potential, as we used to do to unearth some gems, I’m not sure the Peterborough model is something I would like our club to follow. Peterborough seem to have an extremely high turnover of players which more often than not leads to a very unsettled squad due to trying to bed high numbers of players into a team every season. For all the success they have had making profits on players they still remain a league one club who fail under the high expectations every season
But......with lower crowds than us they haven't been lower than league 1 for over 10 years and have been in the championship for 3 of them.
We may be in the same league now but im pretty sure they will get promoted before we do.
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Post by pirate on Jun 28, 2019 12:01:33 GMT
While I totally agree on the points of BRFC changing their recruitment policy to target non league players with potential, as we used to do to unearth some gems, I’m not sure the Peterborough model is something I would like our club to follow. Peterborough seem to have an extremely high turnover of players which more often than not leads to a very unsettled squad due to trying to bed high numbers of players into a team every season. For all the success they have had making profits on players they still remain a league one club who fail under the high expectations every season
But......with lower crowds than us they haven't been lower than league 1 for over 10 years and have been in the championship for 2 of them.
We may be in the same league now but im pretty sure they will get promoted before we do.
And managed to build a new stand and improve their ground.
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Post by nsgas on Jun 28, 2019 12:12:30 GMT
But......with lower crowds than us they haven't been lower than league 1 for over 10 years and have been in the championship for 2 of them.
We may be in the same league now but im pretty sure they will get promoted before we do.
And managed to build a new stand and improve their ground. And get to round 3 or 4 of the FA Cup regularly.
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Post by burnthewitch on Jun 28, 2019 12:18:51 GMT
I am no fan of Nick Higgs. But are you seriously suggesting that we have a tight budget now due to the money wasted by the last regime... they left the building 3 1/2 years ago FFS! Budget cuts (if true) are down to Dwane Sports (mis)management. On average gates of 8,300 (ish) we should not be posting huge annual losses. Period. Lionheart is referring to DC spunking money on crap signings. Apologies. My mis-interpretation of 'previous regime'.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 28, 2019 12:23:33 GMT
While I totally agree on the points of BRFC changing their recruitment policy to target non league players with potential, as we used to do to unearth some gems, I’m not sure the Peterborough model is something I would like our club to follow. Peterborough seem to have an extremely high turnover of players which more often than not leads to a very unsettled squad due to trying to bed high numbers of players into a team every season. For all the success they have had making profits on players they still remain a league one club who fail under the high expectations every season
But......with lower crowds than us they haven't been lower than league 1 for over 10 years and have been in the championship for 3 of them.
We may be in the same league now but im pretty sure they will get promoted before we do.
This is the good thing about opinions in football, makes for good debate, you could also look at it over the last 25 year period where barring there brief stints in the champ and ours in the conference, both not the norm for the two clubs, we have completed at the same level. IMO we are just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 28, 2019 12:28:12 GMT
With Tranmere fans seeming to think that Payne could be signing for them in the next few days and the Swindon manager saying that he hopes the Bennett deal is sorted in the next couple of weeks, I can't help but wonder who the players are that we're struggle to move on? I mean it could be that Tranmere fans are misinformed and that the gap between the deal we want and swindon want is big but if they're right then who else are we trying to move on? Mensah is the first one to spring to mind, but other than that I'm struggling. Maybe it's to do with money. If they don't match the wages we are currently paying, they might not want to move. Unless we pay the difference. So it could still take up some of the budget, even if we move player's on. A lot of fans have said Bennett is one of our top earners, don't know if that's true. If it is, can a league 2 club afford to pay that?? Expect Payne would have signed a decent contact for this level. We were desperate for a striker at the time and he did ok the season before. If Bennett really is on the rumoured £4K a week I can't see Swindon paying him more than £2k a week, even on a good day!, so that's at least £2K a week/£100K a year we'll have to contribute ti his wages, plus I doubt Payne was on a lot less given his transfer fee, so that's probably another £1K a week/£50K a year contribution, like wise with Mensah if he's heading back to the NL, we could well be having to contribute £4K/£5K a week/ £200k/£250K a year just to free up a similar amount of playing budget. Fans saying sign more NL players seem to have overlooked Mensah & Partington have hardly been successes and Matthews was a decent NL player the previous season plus we've signed Hare anyway, so it's not like we're ignoring NL players.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 28, 2019 12:34:06 GMT
But......with lower crowds than us they haven't been lower than league 1 for over 10 years and have been in the championship for 3 of them.
We may be in the same league now but im pretty sure they will get promoted before we do.
This is the good thing about opinions in football, makes for good debate, you could also look at it over the last 25 year period where barring there brief stints in the champ and ours in the conference, both not the norm for the two clubs, we have completed at the same level. IMO we are just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season.
In fairness both clubs are fairly irrelevant in the football world but I do envy how they sell players on for the amounts they do, plus big sell-on fees, and they usually look a lot better than us when we play them. Also as pirate rightly said they have managed to significantly improve their ground which Darragh McAnthony confirmed has been down to the transfer fees generated.
Only a matter of time before they go up imo, but we will see.
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Post by pirate on Jun 28, 2019 12:35:05 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season"
Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons.
Apart from that, you're right!
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Post by eastgas on Jun 28, 2019 12:41:43 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season" Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons. Apart from that, you're right! The same goals and assists of players they had last season you mean? 😉 added to that mo Eisa who has never scored above league two level? Like I said it’s a game of opinions which everyone looks and thinks about things differently, that’s what makes things fun to watch I suppose the hope that this year will be your year
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Post by pirate on Jun 28, 2019 12:46:20 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season" Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons. Apart from that, you're right! The same goals and assists of players they had last season you mean? 😉 added to that mo Eisa who has never scored above league two level? Like I said it’s a game of opinions which everyone looks and thinks about things differently, that’s what makes things fun to watch I suppose the hope that this year will be your year The same goals and assists, but with a far better keeper and a strengthened defence behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:48:02 GMT
MAYOR SPOTTED AT THE MEM..... This is where Big jock inserts a photoshopped pic of Marvin Rees at the ground for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 12:49:39 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season" Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons. Apart from that, you're right! What you fail to mention Pirate is that Chapman kept 18 clean sheets for Accrington the season before last and then Peterborough signed him last Summer. Now they want rid and I reserve judgement on whether there new signing will fare any better.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 28, 2019 12:55:01 GMT
MAYOR SPOTTED AT THE MEM..... This is where Big jock inserts a photoshopped pic of Marvin Rees at the ground for me. It’s there a new tent that we don’t know about and Marvin is ribbon cutting? :excited:
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Post by markczgas on Jun 28, 2019 12:55:05 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season" Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons. Apart from that, you're right! What you fail to mention Pirate is that Chapman kept 18 clean sheets for Accrington the season before last and then Peterborough signed him last Summer. Now they want rid and I reserve judgement on whether there new signing will fare any better. Beware of getting in a stat spat with our Wes ! He lives and dreams them I think.
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Post by pirate on Jun 28, 2019 12:56:57 GMT
"Just as likely promotion candidates as Peterborough this season" Yeah, apart from the fact they have players in their squad that cost £600k+ and £1mil and the goals and assists from the likes of Ivan Toney, Mohamed Eisa, Matt Godden, Siriki Dembele and Marcus Maddison. Plus now have a goalkeeper that has kept over 30 clean sheets in the last two seasons. Apart from that, you're right! What you fail to mention Pirate is that Chapman kept 18 clean sheets for Accrington the season before last and then Peterborough paid good money to sign him last Summer. Now they want rid and I reserve judgement on whether there new signing will fare any better. Pym is a far better keeper ths Chapman, who had a one off good season in front of a very well organised defence. Before that he had a relatively average season and in the previous few seasons barely played a game and warmed the bench at Chesterfield.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 13:00:45 GMT
What you fail to mention Pirate is that Chapman kept 18 clean sheets for Accrington the season before last and then Peterborough paid good money to sign him last Summer. Now they want rid and I reserve judgement on whether there new signing will fare any better. Pym is a far better keeper ths Chapman, who had a one off good season in front of a very well organised defence. Before that he had a relatively average season and in the previous few seasons barely played a game and warmed the bench at Chesterfield. Beg to differ, Pym never impressed me at Exeter. Very light weight , good shot stopper but woeful in the air. Let's wait and see if he improves Peterborough.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jun 28, 2019 13:02:56 GMT
Payne has left the building ! official
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Post by eastgas on Jun 28, 2019 13:09:09 GMT
Pym is a far better keeper ths Chapman, who had a one off good season in front of a very well organised defence. Before that he had a relatively average season and in the previous few seasons barely played a game and warmed the bench at Chesterfield. Beg to differ, Pym never impressed me at Exeter. Very light weight , good shot stopper but woeful in the air. Let's wait and see if he improves Peterborough. See opinions give us all something to debate 😬
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Post by pirate on Jun 28, 2019 13:10:46 GMT
Pym is a far better keeper ths Chapman, who had a one off good season in front of a very well organised defence. Before that he had a relatively average season and in the previous few seasons barely played a game and warmed the bench at Chesterfield. Beg to differ, Pym never impressed me at Exeter. Very light weight , good shot stopper but woeful in the air. Let's wait and see if he improves Peterborough. Pym has kept more clean sheets over the past 2 or 3 seasons than Chapman has done over his whole career.
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