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Post by Raj Gas on Jul 10, 2019 8:16:53 GMT
I reckon GC and Tony Craig will get the best out of him.
I actually think that TC will become the leader at the back now and with all his experience that has to be a good thing.It will allow Ollie to concentrate on leading from midfield and this has to be good for us and the team.
I think that GC has seen an opportunity with the squad he now has to mix it up with full backs or wing-backs and TC has the exoerience to get the best out of the central defenders be it or one or two alongside him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 8:17:29 GMT
Strange given they are the ones who have watched him week in week out, certainly more so than anyone on here. There's clearly major question marks about several aspects of this signing and he's got a fair bit to prove by the sounds of it. Yeah, and Rickie Lambert was a fat midfielder and Jason Roberts will never make it. The obvious difference being that this lad has over 200 appearances under his belt in England and Scotland and is in the middle period of his career. One of the first things I'll do when we sign a player is look at the reaction of supporters from the previous club and the vast majority of time their opinions tend to correlate strongly with the performances for us.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 10, 2019 8:22:28 GMT
We may well do and will make our own judgments. It would be arrogant of us though to completely to dismiss the views of fans who have been watching him for 2 seasons solid. GGMI, would you ask your Girlfriends previous boyfriend if she was a nice girl.... ? Same applies Not at all. That is one person's bias opinion. When a whole fanbase is saying they don't rate him then that is a different story. Learned my lesson on that one with Paul Buckle.
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Post by amgas on Jul 10, 2019 8:22:29 GMT
He was a legend in the bar when he was with us. Should have kept John Still who is actually a legend in lower league management. Graydon was not interested and not able to do the job by the time he arrived at Rovers. Best signing he made for us was Uncle Albert the Kit man and that was only because he was related.
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Post by Fetch on Jul 10, 2019 8:26:38 GMT
We nearly got relegated because we created so few chances per game last season. A lot of that was because we had Kelly and JC at fullback - how many crosses into the box per game do you reckon they got compared to Brown/Leadbitter in previous years? Your defence can be the best in the league (ours was away from home) but if you don’t have attacking intent you will draw/lose games. Just the way the modern game is. Sorry if this is an old fashioned concept; Goalkeeper - stop the ball from going in the net Defenders - defend and cut out scoring opportunities Midfield - CREATE!! Strikers - score goals
That's the bottom line. Anything else is a bonus.
We have very few midfielders who can create, and in the modern game fullbacks operate much higher up the pitch. It’s imperative that we have fullbacks who can cross. I go back to Lee Brown - not the quickest but got a lot of assists in his time with us because he was supporting his winger and would cross in a lot of Montano/Monkhouse’s lay-offs to him. Kelly and JC had very poor crossing last season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2019 8:28:23 GMT
GGMI, would you ask your Girlfriends previous boyfriend if she was a nice girl.... ? Same applies Not at all. That is one person's bias opinion. When a whole fanbase is saying they don't rate him then that is a different story. Learned my lesson on that one with Paul Buckle. Coventry fans all lambasted JCH, perhaps you need to alter your views now GC's in charge.
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Post by pirate on Jul 10, 2019 8:29:05 GMT
Yeah, and Rickie Lambert was a fat midfielder and Jason Roberts will never make it. The obvious difference being that this lad has over 200 appearances under his belt in England and Scotland and is in the middle period of his career. One of the first things I'll do when we sign a player is look at the reaction of supporters from the previous club and the vast majority of time their opinions tend to correlate strongly with the performances for us. www.thefootballab.co.uk/2018/walsall-season-preview-dobsons-development/
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Post by stroudgas93 on Jul 10, 2019 8:29:16 GMT
Yeah, and Rickie Lambert was a fat midfielder and Jason Roberts will never make it. The obvious difference being that this lad has over 200 appearances under his belt in England and Scotland and is in the middle period of his career. One of the first things I'll do when we sign a player is look at the reaction of supporters from the previous club and the vast majority of time their opinions tend to correlate strongly with the performances for us. But then the opposite can happen as well, the amount of games I saw Ed upson play numerous times against us and he was always the standout player but I’ve never seen him reproduce it for us, could put plenty of players in that bracket!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 10, 2019 8:37:01 GMT
Sorry if this is an old fashioned concept; Goalkeeper - stop the ball from going in the net Defenders - defend and cut out scoring opportunities Midfield - CREATE!! Strikers - score goals
That's the bottom line. Anything else is a bonus.
We have very few midfielders who can create, a nd in the modern game fullbacks operate much higher up the pitch. It’s imperative that we have fullbacks who can cross.I go back to Lee Brown - not the quickest but got a lot of assists in his time with us because he was supporting his winger and would cross in a lot of Montano/Monkhouse’s lay-offs to him. Kelly and JC had very poor crossing last season. In the style of Liverpool Fc i hope !
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Post by Fetch on Jul 10, 2019 8:38:47 GMT
We have very few midfielders who can create, a nd in the modern game fullbacks operate much higher up the pitch. It’s imperative that we have fullbacks who can cross.I go back to Lee Brown - not the quickest but got a lot of assists in his time with us because he was supporting his winger and would cross in a lot of Montano/Monkhouse’s lay-offs to him. Kelly and JC had very poor crossing last season. In the style of Liverpool Fc i hope ! Well exactly, allows Rodman-JCH-New Winger to play more narrow and provide a goalscoring threat. Better that than a winger cross to JCH being man-marked by two blokes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 8:39:55 GMT
The obvious difference being that this lad has over 200 appearances under his belt in England and Scotland and is in the middle period of his career. One of the first things I'll do when we sign a player is look at the reaction of supporters from the previous club and the vast majority of time their opinions tend to correlate strongly with the performances for us. www.thefootballab.co.uk/2018/walsall-season-preview-dobsons-development/Time will tell ultimately. Judging from the comments let's hope he plays in an advanced role.
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Post by simonj on Jul 10, 2019 8:46:26 GMT
I couldn't care less what Walsall fans think. Strange given they are the ones who have watched him week in week out, certainly more so than anyone on here. There's clearly major question marks about several aspects of this signing and he's got a fair bit to prove by the sounds of it. He has nothing to prove to me, apart from is he any good, fit for selection and will he be an asset to the team. Like every single player running out for the first game of the season. The question has to be what player runs out and how is his form - what Sercs is going to show in Aug for instance. But I have to agree I couldn't care what Walsall fans say on their forum about him. I want to see him and how he plays and cheer him on with the rest of the team, when he plays.
We are all giving views and analysis, surely we need to be positive about the guy. Changing clubs has a multitude of influences on a player, his attitude and how he fits. Wont give any examples they are everywhere.
One crunching legal tackle and an early whipped in cross for Nicholls to head home, who gives a flying for Walsalls forum?
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Post by pirate on Jul 10, 2019 9:02:57 GMT
Time will tell ultimately. Judging from the comments let's hope he plays in an advanced role. Yes, time will tell.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 10, 2019 9:09:16 GMT
The obvious difference being that this lad has over 200 appearances under his belt in England and Scotland and is in the middle period of his career. One of the first things I'll do when we sign a player is look at the reaction of supporters from the previous club and the vast majority of time their opinions tend to correlate strongly with the performances for us. www.thefootballab.co.uk/2018/walsall-season-preview-dobsons-development/but he is sh** because some fans of another club don't like him. FACT
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Post by Jomo on Jul 10, 2019 9:21:04 GMT
Almost all signings we make will have an element of risk attached, because that's where we're at as a club. We can't afford to spend money of players that have proven quality at this level who have no fitness doubts or no baggage of some sort with them.
On this basis I think Leahy seems like a good signing on paper. As with any signing I will judge them only when they played several games for us. Hopefully GC can get the best out of the players he's brought in. If he can then we should have a decent squad capable to challenging in the top half.
One thing I'm thinking about this signing is where does it leave Kelly? He's a good backup LB and if THD comes back fit soon as we all hope, Kelly will be 3rd in the pecking order which would be a bit unfair on him? Perhaps Leahy and THD would work as a left side pairing if they're both fit? I'd like us to have the options of using the fullbacks for width ala many PL teams these days, so perhaps having the option of going 3-5-2 as well as 4-4-2 is what GC is hoping for?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 9:25:31 GMT
He’s been part of the two worst Walsall defences in my lifetime. He’s good going forward - but is absolutely atrocious defending wise. To be fair though SC you were crap through the whole team from November onwards. I watched you lot 4 times last year, and in the 3 games I remembered, you got a lucky goal against us against the mem and offered nothing going forward and most of the time through the second half we produced the most chances. One of the main providers for the goal was Leahy. And you kept a clean sheet. The spanking we gave you at the Bescot you had nothing in the middle and we ran through you most of the game. It was one of those games where we were just unplayable. Doesn’t happen often with us. The home win win you had against Coventry Leahy scored a last min penalty and a winner and provided most crosses and completed passes for that game. In in the FA cup second round fixture against Sunderland (which was the best I saw you play as a team) where Leahy played as an LWB he had a great game keeping a clean sheet as well as an outlet often getting the better of Maguire and McGeoch which is no mean achievement. If anything it was Leahy who was surrounded by 9 other let downs. That’s just from 4 games I’ve seen. He couldn't handle Rodders at their place, but you watched a different game to me, they were the better side first half and their big centre foward caused us problems, they were vunerable down their left but dominated midfield. Second half we were better and they seemed to run out of ideas.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 10, 2019 9:37:14 GMT
What a strange comment. You come on here recommending players after watching them a few times or from a YouTube video and you completely dismiss opinions of fans who have been watching a player every week. I take comments like "the crosses stat is misleading though - most go out of play or aren't anywhere near the forwards" with a pinch of salt. They were so bad that he got 17 assists in 2 seasons. Stats That Danny Leadbitter could only dream of. Any ideas how many Lee Brown got over the same period?
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Post by axegas on Jul 10, 2019 9:43:39 GMT
We missed fullbacks that could make an impact going forward for most of last season so Leahy should fix that, hopefully it doesn’t come at the expense of defensive solidity though.
As others have suggest, a 532 system with Leahy/THD and Hare/Little playing wingbacks either side could suit us, especially if we sign Scales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 9:46:24 GMT
I hope Luke has brought the Force with him.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 10, 2019 10:04:15 GMT
Walsall fan in peace. Like someone commented above you probably don't give a stuff on my opinion...but I'll give it anyway. Luke Leahy is possibly the worst left back I have ever seen at Walsall in 30+ years that has played so many games. His positional sense is atrocious - he just doesn't understand where he should be on the pitch when facing an opponent or if they have possession. I can understand why he may impress from certain stats and in a trial, as technically he can strike a ball well. The crosses stat is misleading though - most go out of play or aren't anywhere near the forwards. I've never seen a player put so many free kicks straight into touch. Thats how poor our manager was that didn't recognise this and take him off duty. He did it 2 or 3 times at your place last year. Yes he was part of a poor team, that was very badly organised defensively so any organisation will help, but he was still personally and directly responsible for so many goals from unforced errors and that will still happen in a decent defence. Worse still he would then visibly blame and berate others for his mistakes and caused terrible disharmony in the squad. A egotistical bad apple based on nothing but his own opinion of himself. Having said all that, he is clearly suited to one position - wing back. If you play that and he can be taught how to cross then you may get lucky. Otherwise, good luck! I'm just glad he's gone, whatever level we are playing at. PS. He scored one penalty against his old club, but missed others by hitting them ALL weakly to the keeper's right. Look out for that if he takes one for you. If you allow defenders to take pens then they will miss more than the strikers. That’s just fact. Very few defenders make good penalty takers. Pens should be the job of the strikers trained to finish or a confident CAM that can strike the ball well.
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