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Post by burnthewitch on Aug 1, 2019 7:56:39 GMT
I don't understand why, if Hamer is as toxic as people say, he is still at the club. It seems that a lot of his role is now carried out by the guy who came in from Plymouth, so why not dispense with his services? The club will never "pull together" while they have a Trojan horse at the top table. A question I have also asked and no-one seems able to answer. Unless he isn't that toxic. Just creates a smokescreen to divert attention away from the real issue - which is how BRFC are losing £3mil a year on gates of around 8 to 8.5k.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 1, 2019 8:07:29 GMT
So let's see what happens when the credit facility is spent and Wael, Senior AQ, Sami and Hani have to put their own money in. Whose money is it at the moment, do you think?
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Post by Gassy on Aug 1, 2019 8:16:26 GMT
I don't understand why, if Hamer is as toxic as people say, he is still at the club. It seems that a lot of his role is now carried out by the guy who came in from Plymouth, so why not dispense with his services? The club will never "pull together" while they have a Trojan horse at the top table. A question I have also asked and no-one seems able to answer.Unless he isn't that toxic. Just creates a smokescreen to divert attention away from the real issue - which is how BRFC are losing £3mil a year on gates of around 8 to 8.5k. Well he's been stripped of all his power, firstly. But if you remember he was brought in to be the communication between the club & the family, to represent the family. I believe that whilst Wael doesn't want him there, the person who controls the purse strings still wants him there. God knows why though.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 1, 2019 8:19:58 GMT
I don't understand why, if Hamer is as toxic as people say, he is still at the club. It seems that a lot of his role is now carried out by the guy who came in from Plymouth, so why not dispense with his services? The club will never "pull together" while they have a Trojan horse at the top table. I will surmise like just about everyone else - if Hamer and KM are as toxic as alleged and seemingly acting with impunity whilst remaining Board members suggests to me there is a bigger picture being driven by the 'main man' - Hani. Hamer if I recall brokered the deal which enabled the ALQ's to take over the Club - ISTM he could now be in role reversal situation and much more important to Hani at the moment than his kid brother President. IMO it seems clear that the ALQ's want out ASAP and Hamer is the conduit to try and make this happen.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 1, 2019 8:32:01 GMT
Ok 1981, It’s up to GI to defend himself, I don’t know the man or his agenda, but to me some responses just seem very personal. Sounds to me the boardroom is toxic, and it’s up to those who run it to sort it out, as it’s only the Club who will suffer in the end. I respect your response. Cheers UTG Sorry Tone, I do not respect his response one bit! It is so hypocritical. I was full of drink Vyv, probably you are right. I just don’t see what good any of this does - we all support the same club.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 1, 2019 8:38:11 GMT
Thing is posters like gasincider,knowall and swissgas are against the owners and club establishment but the likes of gashead 1981 and roady are cheerleaders and defenders of the owners and the CEO. Which side is right and which is wrong? Personally i have no idea at all where we are going or not going under the current regime and however many posts these posters put on here stating their case/argument i am still completely in the dark about our future under the current owners. Im not against them or for them i just dont know. I am in no way a cheerleader. Like roady, there are lots about the Al'Qadi regime I disagree with, I don't like and I don't understand and I have printed enough on here to evidence that. You could find it if you wanted to. Parts of it have been hugely disappointing. But I also said I would draw a line in the sand on that as banging the same drum is not helping and I can't do anything about it either. I really do believe that the end of the DC era, together with Martyn Starnes coming in to run the football side of things will be a turn of a corner for us. It had all gone a bit stale with some really poor decision making been made around the club and most of that was being influenced by a chairman who did not have our best interests at heart. I never had an agenda to keep kicking the AlQ's, I just wanted answers to some things that didn't make sense. And whilst I haven't gotten all of those answers from the club, I have understood some of the things that are happening by observing the conduct of others, talking to people connected to them and being told of their disappointment in the people involved and also from what I have been told by employees of the club including playing staff and coaches. When you have upwards of 15 people saying exactly the same thing, those 15 people or so cannot be lying. When you look back on threads here by certain posters, you will see that they are all connected to one another, have the same connections and the same source. Its a small poisonous circle designed to constantly spread negativity, attempt to divide the fanbase or direct some kind of negativity towards the owners. I don't mind if it actually has foundation. But to come on here, whinging about an award rather than speaking to KM himself, who then could release a statement, work to a solution, arrange a different event or whatever he decides is blatant mud slinging. It also happens to come from the same person, who at the AGM, just wouldn't shut up, loved the sound of his own voice and opinion, was disrespectful to everyone in the room that night who were representing the club, and made lots of unfounded accusations with no evidence. For example, the reason why the accounts were late were because Hani refused to sign them off. When the chair of the meeting gave explicit reasons why. So whilst some may feel I'm singling GI out, I'm not. Im calling him out. And any of his mates connected to him that spout the same rubbish, but funnily enough, they have all been rather quiet as well....
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 1, 2019 8:47:13 GMT
It all seems such a waste to me when if Rovers fans were united and someone could get to Hani Al-Qadi we might be able to reach a solution which gives Rovers at least a chance of a brighter future. Swiss This latter comment caught my eye. There are many of us, you and I included, who would like to sit down with Hani and find out exactly what is going on. That is never going to happen. I firmly believe from what I have read on here about the AGM and the aggressive attitude and underhand tactics being undertaken by some fans that there is now a siege mentality with the Board and management. It is fairly obvious now that there are some who will never want the current Board to succeed because of the privilege they enjoyed with the previous Board and still enjoy in their relationship with certain elements of the leadership team. I don't disagree with much of what you say in that if this was a traditional business in manufacturing, retail or technology as a banker I would certainly want an urgent meeting with the directors to know what the hell is going on; how losses were going to be staunched; require projections for the business; a full business plan and demand to know whether the shareholders intended to introduce further equity, as the current debt is certainly at mezzanine level with no repayment likely in the short or medium term from trading. And as you know bankers would expect to see at least a 10% to 15% return on mezz debt. My frustration comes from the fact that on the one hand there is so much going on at present to undermine the current structure at the club by those who claim to be ITK and the deafening silence from the Board. Like you I worry about the finances but struggle to take a stance on it as there is such little information available on which to build an opinion other than the accounts. I simply don't know if the Board will put in equity, mezz debt, long or short term debt. I don't know if they are looking for a site, have other investors available or whether they have a long term sustainable business plan or model. On that basis I would definitely take issue with the Board (if the directors of Accrington can do it why can't our Board?) but I will also take issue with those who are abusive to the directors and seek to deliberately undermine the club for their own or their Master's (and I use that tongue in cheek as well) purposes. While people defend the Board without question and those who spread rumour and conjecture for political purposes continue to abuse each other the club fan morale will continue to decline. That being said if we go on a run and get promotion a lot of this will fall away. I am not holding my breath though. Best regards
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 9:18:39 GMT
I don't understand why, if Hamer is as toxic as people say, he is still at the club. It seems that a lot of his role is now carried out by the guy who came in from Plymouth, so why not dispense with his services? The club will never "pull together" while they have a Trojan horse at the top table. I will surmise like just about everyone else - if Hamer and KM are as toxic as alleged and seemingly acting with impunity whilst remaining Board members suggests to me there is a bigger picture being driven by the 'main man' - Hani. Hamer if I recall brokered the deal which enabled the ALQ's to take over the Club - ISTM he could now be in role reversal situation and much more important to Hani at the moment than his kid brother President. IMO it seems clear that the ALQ's want out ASAP and Hamer is the conduit to try and make this happen. Instead of "surmise" insert "guess". Pure guesswork just like every post on the owners.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 1, 2019 9:23:52 GMT
I don't understand why, if Hamer is as toxic as people say, he is still at the club. It seems that a lot of his role is now carried out by the guy who came in from Plymouth, so why not dispense with his services? The club will never "pull together" while they have a Trojan horse at the top table. I will surmise like just about everyone else - if Hamer and KM are as toxic as alleged and seemingly acting with impunity whilst remaining Board members suggests to me there is a bigger picture being driven by the 'main man' - Hani. Hamer if I recall brokered the deal which enabled the ALQ's to take over the Club - ISTM he could now be in role reversal situation and much more important to Hani at the moment than his kid brother President. IMO it seems clear that the ALQ's want out ASAP and Hamer is the conduit to try and make this happen. God help us then if that's the case BTW a chinese billionaire just flew into Bristol Airport.... Just Sayin'
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Post by gasincider on Aug 1, 2019 9:39:29 GMT
Thing is posters like gasincider,knowall and swissgas are against the owners and club establishment but the likes of gashead 1981 and roady are cheerleaders and defenders of the owners and the CEO. Which side is right and which is wrong? Personally i have no idea at all where we are going or not going under the current regime and however many posts these posters put on here stating their case/argument i am still completely in the dark about our future under the current owners. Im not against them or for them i just dont know. Yes it annoys me the way the club is attacked at times but my biggest grievance is the SC and Masters. Cuddled up to Higgs, allowed a member to rant at an AGM and never told him to behave. Passing on information, the proof behind textgate was damning, now telling stuff about scoreboard and groundsman equipment, no contact details, I would tweet Ken now re this very thread but I can’t. Gasincider should be able to tweet Ken about the pitchside awards but he can’t so he has to come on here. Masters and the SC are not fit for purpose, why isn’t the SC independent and asking about the mounting debts? Well, I was gonna leave this here, but then get told by another lister about another posting from one of the apostles. Let me reiterate, that all I wanted to know was why a presentation wasn't allowed. Kens name got dragged into it then SH As far as I know KM wasn't even at the fun day, nor to my knowledge was SH. I didn't see either of them. This tells you all you need to know about the agenda behind all this. The two aforementioned are obviously out of favour with the rest of the board, and so the attack dogs have been loosed. Looking at this latest post, Ken allowed the AGM to degenerate. Was he the chair of the AGM? If not, what has it got to do with him. Was Wael the chair? I'm led to believe that MT was chair. Surely therefore it was his responsibility. But of course, there is obviously an agenda obviously from the higher levels to blame everything that can be on Ken and SH. ,it's so blatant it's laughable. Perhaps this is what GC meant when he spoke of discontent around the club. He knows the board is split, we the fans know the board is split, and the only reason I can think as to why SH is still here is because Hani has faith in him and trusts him, and therefore overruled the rest of them,whilst perhaps others don't. I know Hani is a long distance owner, but perhaps his grasp on what is happening at our football club is more astute than the others. What a way to run a football club. And you you wonder why I am so against the people that run us. You don't have to be a financial genius to realise we are Heading for a financial disaster. Finally, looking at the message I have attached, there is an explicit accusation that Ken told me about the scoreboard and the equipment. No he didn't, nor Steve H. With some of your childish utterances on here Is this the way you would talk to one of your clients Paul? I'm not sure what Ken or SH will make of it. Let me just remind you, that all I wanted to know was why the club turned down a simple request. Not that it would have been anything to do with Ken anyway, it was more likely to be Jim Chappell, but I didn't see him either.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2019 9:40:07 GMT
Just seen him on a bus on the Glocester road.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 1, 2019 10:04:12 GMT
An awful lot of Big & Little Willy waving going on here today
As a simple and some say innocent Rovers supporter, i find this kind of thread very very depressing that adult "fellow" gasheads need to resort to all this mud slinging and name calling and can only put our precious club in a very bad light.
All i can suggest is that the main protagonists get in a room together and talk/shout/smash it out in a adult way and keep it of a public forum and let the rest of us enjoy what little pleasure we get out of watching our great team smash the league this season ( ok survive, maybe more like it)
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 1, 2019 10:16:17 GMT
Presentation wise, James Clarke was last years SC player of the year.
With all the moaning, whinging and bickering, how exactly were they planning on presenting said award last week, to a player who is no longer with the club?
Utterly ridiculous.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 1, 2019 10:25:23 GMT
Yes it annoys me the way the club is attacked at times but my biggest grievance is the SC and Masters. Cuddled up to Higgs, allowed a member to rant at an AGM and never told him to behave. Passing on information, the proof behind textgate was damning, now telling stuff about scoreboard and groundsman equipment, no contact details, I would tweet Ken now re this very thread but I can’t. Gasincider should be able to tweet Ken about the pitchside awards but he can’t so he has to come on here. Masters and the SC are not fit for purpose, why isn’t the SC independent and asking about the mounting debts? Well, I was gonna leave this here, but then get told by another lister about another posting from one of the apostles. Let me reiterate, that all I wanted to know was why a presentation wasn't allowed. Kens name got dragged into it then SH As far as I know KM wasn't even at the fun day, nor to my knowledge was SH. I didn't see either of them. This tells you all you need to know about the agenda behind all this. The two aforementioned are obviously out of favour with the rest of the board, and so the attack dogs have been loosed. Looking at this latest post, Ken allowed the AGM to degenerate. Was he the chair of the AGM? If not, what has it got to do with him. Was Wael the chair? I'm led to believe that MT was chair. Surely therefore it was his responsibility. But of course, there is obviously an agenda obviously from the higher levels to blame everything that can be on Ken and SH. ,it's so blatant it's laughable. Perhaps this is what GC meant when he spoke of discontent around the club. He knows the board is split, we the fans know the board is split, and the only reason I can think as to why SH is still here is because Hani has faith in him and trusts him, and therefore overruled the rest of them,whilst perhaps others don't. I know Hani is a long distance owner, but perhaps his grasp on what is happening at our football club is more astute than the others. What a way to run a football club. And you you wonder why I am so against the people that run us. You don't have to be a financial genius to realise we are Heading for a financial disaster. Finally, looking at the message I have attached, there is an explicit accusation that Ken told me about the scoreboard and the equipment. No he didn't, nor Steve H. With some of your childish utterances on here Is this the way you would talk to one of your clients Paul? I'm not sure what Ken or SH will make of it. Let me just remind you, that all I wanted to know was why the club turned down a simple request. Not that it would have been anything to do with Ken anyway, it was more likely to be Jim Chappell, but I didn't see him either. And the bit so brilliantly failed to answer was what Roady said, was rather than bitch on a public forum where no one has the proper answers. Seek it from the man in charge which is Ken Masters or Jim Chappell! Then why not post the answer here as well! But then your opportunity to try and stir discontent probably wouldn’t work. It really isn’t hard. But you’re the only one seems not to be able to grasp it. Especially when. As the poster above has just said, the player who won the award now plays for Walsall. Stupidity at its finest.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 1, 2019 11:11:37 GMT
Presentation wise, James Clarke was last years SC player of the year. With all the moaning, whinging and bickering, how exactly were they planning on presenting said award last week, to a player who is no longer with the club? Utterly ridiculous. Actually it was a question that was answered to me on Sunday. James Clarke was indeed the player of the year and I am assured sent a lovely letter thanking both the supporters club and the fans for their support of him whilst he was here. Thought it might come up eventually so here we are. So perhaps not stupidity at its at its finest eh 1981. Always know the answer before making a stupid comment. Of course there were two other awards to be made but now won't be. The only thing the person who told me about the awards being declined was the reason for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 11:17:58 GMT
I’ve said my bit, the chaps met them numerous times, he could ask them instead of coming on here.
Call me an apostle, call me a cheerleader, made it clear the AQ’s were the wrong people to buy the club without PROPER due diligence on the UWE. All they have from me now is the benefit of the doubt, I see now other potential owner telling the media he’s trying to buy us.
Really hope and think we will have a good season coming up, I will say this on Radio Bristol tonight.
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Post by gasincider on Aug 1, 2019 11:25:02 GMT
I’ve said my bit, the chaps met them numerous times, he could ask them instead of coming on here. Call me an apostle, call me a cheerleader, made it clear the AQ’s were the wrong people to buy the club without PROPER due diligence on the UWE. All they have from me now is the benefit of the doubt, I see now other potential owner telling the media he’s trying to buy us. Really hope and think we will have a good season coming up, I will say this on Radio Bristol tonight. Nevertheless it was a false accusation impugning his/their integrity. Sorry is such a difficult word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 11:29:01 GMT
I’ve said my bit, the chaps met them numerous times, he could ask them instead of coming on here. Call me an apostle, call me a cheerleader, made it clear the AQ’s were the wrong people to buy the club without PROPER due diligence on the UWE. All they have from me now is the benefit of the doubt, I see now other potential owner telling the media he’s trying to buy us. Really hope and think we will have a good season coming up, I will say this on Radio Bristol tonight. Nevertheless it was a false accusation impugning his/their integrity. Sorry is such a difficult word. Sent you a PM, over and out.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 1, 2019 11:34:03 GMT
I’ve said my bit, the chaps met them numerous times, he could ask them instead of coming on here. Call me an apostle, call me a cheerleader, made it clear the AQ’s were the wrong people to buy the club without PROPER due diligence on the UWE. All they have from me now is the benefit of the doubt, I see now other potential owner telling the media he’s trying to buy us. Really hope and think we will have a good season coming up, I will say this on Radio Bristol tonight. Nevertheless it was a false accusation impugning his/their integrity. Sorry is such a difficult word. oh dear oh dear oh dear HOW Chuffing PETTY
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 1, 2019 11:43:48 GMT
Presentation wise, James Clarke was last years SC player of the year. With all the moaning, whinging and bickering, how exactly were they planning on presenting said award last week, to a player who is no longer with the club? Utterly ridiculous. Actually it was a question that was answered to me on Sunday. James Clarke was indeed the player of the year and I am assured sent a lovely letter thanking both the supporters club and the fans for their support of him whilst he was here. Thought it might come up eventually so here we are. So perhaps not stupidity at its at its finest eh 1981. Always know the answer before making a stupid comment. Of course there were two other awards to be made but now won't be. The only thing the person who told me about the awards being declined was the reason for it. Wait, you already knew the answer to the question you asked in the OP? If that is the case, why the need for the thread asking why the SC couldn't have a presentation??
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