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Post by singupgas on Aug 20, 2019 11:42:53 GMT
Well, the argument is a bit more nuanced than “you say he doesn’t speak but when he does you say he loves the limelight!”. Let’s not forget that Wael spoke to a load of stadium industry types at the Coliseum before he even spoke to us about the challenges of building a stadium and why the deal collapsed. So it’s fair to say he picks and chooses how and when he interacts. Eg he says a lot of stuff via DM to fans on Instagram, says nothing official via the website then pops up giving Rovers shirts to Will Smith. And him commenting on his deal to build a new stadium at the fruit market is great! Except...it looks like it wasn’t his deal...and I’m sure you don’t need me to explain to you the ethics of commenting on someone else’s deal and further, how commenting on someone else’s deal could be construed as an act of sabotage... About the deal you are forgetting one important thing...his family own BRFC, and with the expressed permission of all the parties involved, it is his/families perogative to release/confirm/deny such news. I'm pretty sure that he wouldnt have said anything if they all werent on the same page and there was good reason for doing so. Some here have even suggested that 20man "asked all the right questions" so if it was a staged interview, logically then it must have been pre-planned. And in the grand scheme of things, who connects the dots of the deal is irrelevant, its whether the deal goes through that is important. The ones who worry about who looks good in front are the ones who have an issue with their own egos to begin with. If they are being renumerated for their services rendered, then that is their thanks and if they are involved voluntarily and want to tell the world, then clearly their motives arent pure to begin with. Do you think the takeover and a stadium built at the Fruit market site will both happen?
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Post by CheshireGas on Aug 20, 2019 11:44:32 GMT
Can’t be arsed to read all of this! Any new FACTS? You've come to the wrong place if you ar looking for them here. You'd have more luck visiting Nobby's Chinese takeaway......
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 20, 2019 11:48:05 GMT
About the deal you are forgetting one important thing...his family own BRFC, and with the expressed permission of all the parties involved, it is his/families perogative to release/confirm/deny such news. I'm pretty sure that he wouldnt have said anything if they all werent on the same page and there was good reason for doing so. Some here have even suggested that 20man "asked all the right questions" so if it was a staged interview, logically then it must have been pre-planned. And in the grand scheme of things, who connects the dots of the deal is irrelevant, its whether the deal goes through that is important. The ones who worry about who looks good in front are the ones who have an issue with their own egos to begin with. If they are being renumerated for their services rendered, then that is their thanks and if they are involved voluntarily and want to tell the world, then clearly their motives arent pure to begin with. Do you think the takeover and a stadium built at the Fruit market site will both happen? Think that is the only thing we do know if the fruit market stadium goes ahead so does the takeover, no deal there no takeover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 11:53:57 GMT
Do you think the takeover and a stadium built at the Fruit market site will both happen? Think that is the only thing we do know if the fruit market stadium goes ahead so does the takeover, no deal there no takeover. but....but....but...Wael was talking about 'we'. 'we are looking at the fruit market'. Where does 'we' fit in with a takeover? It ain't happening.
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 20, 2019 12:00:43 GMT
Think that is the only thing we do know if the fruit market stadium goes ahead so does the takeover, no deal there no takeover. but....but....but...Wael was talking about 'we'. 'we are looking at the fruit market'. Where does 'we' fit in with a takeover? It ain't happening. If we don't relocate we will end up being another Bury so the stakes are high, we can't keep mounting up the debts to have both Hamer and Starnes is ludicrous neither are the skilful midfielder we desperately need 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 12:04:37 GMT
but....but....but...Wael was talking about 'we'. 'we are looking at the fruit market'. Where does 'we' fit in with a takeover? It ain't happening. If we don't relocate we will end up being another Bury so the stakes are high, we can't keep mounting up the debts to have both Hamer and Starnes is ludicrous neither are the skilful midfielder we desperately need 😂 Staying still is actually going backwards as every one else improves. If Rovers continue to stay still and stagnate, they will die. It's as simple as that.
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Post by baggins on Aug 20, 2019 12:09:12 GMT
If we don't relocate we will end up being another Bury so the stakes are high, we can't keep mounting up the debts to have both Hamer and Starnes is ludicrous neither are the skilful midfielder we desperately need 😂 Staying still is actually going backwards as every one else improves. If Rovers continue to stay still and stagnate, they will die. It's as simple as that. Much though I hate to agree with you, you're right. We need investment, either through a new Ground and all the money that comes with it, or a Billionaire bank rolls us and we stay where we are, the Mem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 12:23:05 GMT
Staying still is actually going backwards as every one else improves. If Rovers continue to stay still and stagnate, they will die. It's as simple as that. Much though I hate to agree with you, you're right. We need investment, either through a new Ground and all the money that comes with it, or a Billionaire bank rolls us and we stay where we are, the Mem. Man we need some good news from gasinsider or knowall. Guys where you at?
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Post by baggins on Aug 20, 2019 12:27:44 GMT
Much though I hate to agree with you, you're right. We need investment, either through a new Ground and all the money that comes with it, or a Billionaire bank rolls us and we stay where we are, the Mem. Man we need some good news from gasinsider or knowall. Guys where you at? You honestly think we'll hear anything from either of them apart from "I know something you don't"?.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 20, 2019 12:48:37 GMT
Much though I hate to agree with you, you're right. We need investment, either through a new Ground and all the money that comes with it, or a Billionaire bank rolls us and we stay where we are, the Mem. Man we need some good news from gasinsider or knowall. Guys where you at? Doom and gloom and co?
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 20, 2019 12:55:17 GMT
About the deal you are forgetting one important thing...his family own BRFC, and with the expressed permission of all the parties involved, it is his/families perogative to release/confirm/deny such news. I'm pretty sure that he wouldnt have said anything if they all werent on the same page and there was good reason for doing so. Some here have even suggested that 20man "asked all the right questions" so if it was a staged interview, logically then it must have been pre-planned. And in the grand scheme of things, who connects the dots of the deal is irrelevant, its whether the deal goes through that is important. The ones who worry about who looks good in front are the ones who have an issue with their own egos to begin with. If they are being renumerated for their services rendered, then that is their thanks and if they are involved voluntarily and want to tell the world, then clearly their motives arent pure to begin with. Do you think the takeover and a stadium built at the Fruit market site will both happen? It’s very clear that the fruit market purchase or another land plot must be agreed first before a takeover/investment will happen. I’m not ITK enough to say whether it will happen or not at the fruit market. However I believe the council previously have had a compulsory purchase order on that site, which if it still exists and if they really want it to happen, then they can force the hand of everyone there. As everything is earmarked for development in that area, I think it will happen.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 20, 2019 12:59:39 GMT
I'm curious about this, perhaps someone can inform: Let's just say this is all true, when the takeover goes through, who will own the Mem after we left? BRFC/new owner(s) or WAQs? The memorial stadium company is under the holdings of BRFC the club if memory serves me correctly. So whoever own BRFC own the Mem. I’m also sure that there are terms within the holding that the club cannot move from the Mem without there being another owned stadium to go to. I could be wrong on that though but I’m pretty sure that’s correct. Someone may be able to correct me if it isn’t.
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Post by Gassy on Aug 20, 2019 13:29:18 GMT
I'm curious about this, perhaps someone can inform: Let's just say this is all true, when the takeover goes through, who will own the Mem after we left? BRFC/new owner(s) or WAQs? The memorial stadium company is under the holdings of BRFC the club if memory serves me correctly. So whoever own BRFC own the Mem. I’m also sure that there are terms within the holding that the club cannot move from the Mem without there being another owned stadium to go to. I could be wrong on that though but I’m pretty sure that’s correct. Someone may be able to correct me if it isn’t. Cheers mate, although I more meant will the new owner(s) won the Mem land & do as they please (develop/sell) or will the AQ's own it to recoup their investment?
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 20, 2019 13:36:23 GMT
People like you were moaning, that we do not hear from him enough. That he only talks to the press a few times a year etc etc. Now he just loves the spotlight. For someone who lives the spotlight, he's not in it very much lol. He's always got to go to events, long before he was the president of Rovers. I love the gas, but he does not need us, to be in the spotlight. If that's what he wants. Well, the argument is a bit more nuanced than “you say he doesn’t speak but when he does you say he loves the limelight!”. Let’s not forget that Wael spoke to a load of stadium industry types at the Coliseum before he even spoke to us about the challenges of building a stadium and why the deal collapsed. So it’s fair to say he picks and chooses how and when he interacts. Eg he says a lot of stuff via DM to fans on Instagram, says nothing official via the website then pops up giving Rovers shirts to Will Smith. And him commenting on his deal to build a new stadium at the fruit market is great! Except...it looks like it wasn’t his deal...and I’m sure you don’t need me to explain to you the ethics of commenting on someone else’s deal and further, how commenting on someone else’s deal could be construed as an act of sabotage... He was asked to be a guest speaker, he turned up and gave a speech. Big deal. He was working with high profile people at FIFA before. Before joining us he was photographed with loads of footballing legends. He probably gets more abuse than anything, regarding his role with Rover's.
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Post by Langford Gas on Aug 20, 2019 14:09:07 GMT
Is it because he is not part of the deal. The new people want him out, but he doesn't want to go, so by going public he's hoping to scupper the deal somehow? *It ain't happening lads *trademark Yattongas Why does Wael want to scupper a deal that gets us a new stadium and a ROI on his families investment/losses? If Wael did not want to sell, then the shareholders, which 92% are made up of his family, could out vote him anyway making any protest from him null and void forcing a sale to any new owner, not making it an issue whether he makes the sale public or not! What Wael confirmed was already in the public domain in some scores as owners of the businesses on the fruit market had received letters of offer to purchase, specially mentioning a new sports complex! We don’t know officially who has offered what for the club/fruit market so how can you possibly know for sure what terms they have laid down for Wael Al’Qadi’s shares, position in the club, future position in the club? Not unless you are under the same NDA as Hamer and knowall! Think about the logics of what you are posting! I pretty much said the same thing on page 95 which was totally ignored , moral of the story is the distractors will never let Truth or Fact get in the way of a good dit Aug 16, 2019 at 12:11pm gasincider said: The family desperately want out, and will not stand in the way of selling the club. Only one person doesn't want it to happen, but offers nothing. You decide who you want to succeed. My understanding, and I stand to be corrected is Dwane Sports are owned by four equal 25% shares, Wael, Hani, Suni and father. In turn dwane sports own BRFC. If the family wanted out they would simply out vote Wael 3 - 1
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 20, 2019 14:10:04 GMT
Well, the argument is a bit more nuanced than “you say he doesn’t speak but when he does you say he loves the limelight!”. Let’s not forget that Wael spoke to a load of stadium industry types at the Coliseum before he even spoke to us about the challenges of building a stadium and why the deal collapsed. So it’s fair to say he picks and chooses how and when he interacts. Eg he says a lot of stuff via DM to fans on Instagram, says nothing official via the website then pops up giving Rovers shirts to Will Smith. And him commenting on his deal to build a new stadium at the fruit market is great! Except...it looks like it wasn’t his deal...and I’m sure you don’t need me to explain to you the ethics of commenting on someone else’s deal and further, how commenting on someone else’s deal could be construed as an act of sabotage... He was asked to be a guest speaker, he turned up and gave a speech. Big deal. He was working with high profile people at FIFA before. Before joining us he was photographed with loads of footballing legends. He probably gets more abuse than anything, regarding his role with Rover's.
Only 2 ways to change that....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 20, 2019 14:19:47 GMT
He was asked to be a guest speaker, he turned up and gave a speech. Big deal. He was working with high profile people at FIFA before. Before joining us he was photographed with loads of footballing legends. He probably gets more abuse than anything, regarding his role with Rover's.
Only 2 ways to change that....
Take out the apostrophe and put a circumflex accent over the 'o'?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 20, 2019 14:32:06 GMT
Do you think the takeover and a stadium built at the Fruit market site will both happen? It’s very clear that the fruit market purchase or another land plot must be agreed first before a takeover/investment will happen. I’m not ITK enough to say whether it will happen or not at the fruit market. However I believe the council previously have had a compulsory purchase order on that site, which if it still exists and if they really want it to happen, then they can force the hand of everyone there. As everything is earmarked for development in that area, I think it will happen. From what little knowledge i can get from my council friend, the whole area is up for massive redevelopment snd the fruit market is but one element of a bigger picture
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:56:42 GMT
People like you were moaning, that we do not hear from him enough. That he only talks to the press a few times a year etc etc. Now he just loves the spotlight. For someone who lives the spotlight, he's not in it very much lol. He's always got to go to events, long before he was the president of Rovers. I love the gas, but he does not need us, to be in the spotlight. If that's what he wants. Exactly this, he's hardly dripping out of the Ritz with a "dont you know who I am?" mentality. When he's at games he tends to tuck himself away in his box with the people he invites. Even when he faced countless questions when he first took over about his/families personal wealth he didnt discuss it. He seems to be a fairly quiet and unassuming person if you ask me. His communication to us as "president" of BRFC has been minimal. He interacts on social media with fans too, look at his instagram, and for someone who has, or not to be controversial, his family, a high net worth, hes hardly showing off his lifestyle with private jets, boats and gold hanging off his wrists like has become the custom for anyone on social media who appears to be doing alright for themselves. And because of that HNW and his other interests, he may get to bump into a famous person or 2, and why shouldnt he get a photo with Will Smith or Geoff Hurst or whomever he gets to meet. The Will Smith thing got us some alright publicity in my view. Some fair points but even you can’t deny that he courted the media and cultivated a strong public image when he first arrived. He would go in the away end etc culminating in that cringeworthy carrying down Gloucester Road. It sort of says it all about how things have soured since that he would be lucky not to be chucked in the river if he tried a bit of crowd surfing these days. Then of course the collapse of the UWE happened and he has has kept a lower profile because his stock has never been as high with Gasheads since. Were we to somehow miraculously win the league this season I dare say he would come out of his box a bit more and be more visible in a physical sense. Going by previous form he loves being seen in public when things are going well and public opinion is in his favour. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that you don’t see other club’s presidents doing that. I wonder how many other fans even know what their club president looks like. I can see why his initial building of a public image was a good thing: “Cool, right-on Wael is one of the lads” etc. problem is it all feels a bit hollow if they don’t continue to front up when times are bad. To be honest I personally think the president should be heard but not seen. Tell it how it is and be straight. A lot of people seem to really dislike that lad in charge of Peterborough but I admire his forthright nature, he seems like he gets stuff done and is the captain of the ship. I would swap him for Wael in a heartbeat. Maybe if I was looking for a friend it would be the other way around but I don’t want a friend I want a competent president who is a steady hand at the tiller. The mess on this forum of various ITK cliques is strong evidence that Wael has lost control of his fiefdom.
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 20, 2019 16:11:05 GMT
Why does Wael want to scupper a deal that gets us a new stadium and a ROI on his families investment/losses? If Wael did not want to sell, then the shareholders, which 92% are made up of his family, could out vote him anyway making any protest from him null and void forcing a sale to any new owner, not making it an issue whether he makes the sale public or not! What Wael confirmed was already in the public domain in some scores as owners of the businesses on the fruit market had received letters of offer to purchase, specially mentioning a new sports complex! We don’t know officially who has offered what for the club/fruit market so how can you possibly know for sure what terms they have laid down for Wael Al’Qadi’s shares, position in the club, future position in the club? Not unless you are under the same NDA as Hamer and knowall! Think about the logics of what you are posting! I pretty much said the same thing on page 95 which was totally ignored , moral of the story is the distractors will never let Truth or Fact get in the way of a good dit Aug 16, 2019 at 12:11pm gasincider said: The family desperately want out, and will not stand in the way of selling the club. Only one person doesn't want it to happen, but offers nothing. You decide who you want to succeed. My understanding, and I stand to be corrected is Dwane Sports are owned by four equal 25% shares, Wael, Hani, Suni and father. In turn dwane sports own BRFC. If the family wanted out they would simply out vote Wael 3 - 1 You discredited your own source when you posted what GI quoted.
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