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Post by peterparker on Sept 3, 2019 10:40:10 GMT
Create more revenue streams, unfortunately to do that in the short term they might have to spend money. It's Catch 22. Spending £100K/£150K a season on an creative player is hardly going to make us bust, although relegation could well do. If expenditure is now an issue then we need to look at the need for an expensive office in London, an invisible Chairman and where the £2m+(?) is being spent p.a on non playing budget wages. The Chairman and office etc don't factor into the playing wage budget though do they, unless the AQ's are signifcantly and deliberately under the % of turnover on player wages to fund those things.
GC was given a budget, if he has spent it, and/or was unable to shift players on, not a lot more that can be done about it
Unless we want to break the rules there is no point spending a transfer fee on a player that won't fit inside the wage cap is there.
Tom G is trying to increase revenue where he can, with what he has. We all know we need better facilities to generate more revenue
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Post by Marshy on Sept 3, 2019 10:42:24 GMT
Spending £100K/£150K a season on an creative player is hardly going to make us bust, although relegation could well do. If expenditure is now an issue then we need to look at the need for an expensive office in London, an invisible Chairman and where the £2m+(?) is being spent p.a on non playing budget wages. The Chairman and office etc don't factor into the playing wage budget though do they, unless the AQ's are signifcantly and deliberately under the % of turnover on player wages to fund those things.
GC was given a budget, if he has spent it, and/or was unable to shift players on, not a lot more that can be done about it
Unless we want to break the rules there is no point spending a transfer fee on a player that won't fit inside the wage cap is there.
Tom G is trying to increase revenue where he can, with what he has. We all know we need better facilities to generate more revenue
Yep, we’re f**ked basically.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 3, 2019 10:43:15 GMT
There are some stunningly selfish and hypocritical posts here. Don’t remember many objections when this club was on the brink of financial collapse and got rescued by a foreign takeover. Gas heads were delighted when they thought these wealthy owners were about to spend millions on a new team and stadium. Sour grapes now, because it didn’t work out. What’s the difference, if we’re honest? Some fans want to see us play reasonably attractive football and have a reasonable chance of surviving in Div 1, I guess you're content to see us lose every away game w/o scoring and once again finish up in a relegation fight at the end of the season. Perhaps I could take that if we're more or less breaking even but the ALQ's are still managing to lose £2m/£3m a season. Against Blackpool we started well and were unlucky not to take the lead. Against Coventry we had a good goal disallowed. We should have took atleast a point against Burton. So that hardly suggests we won't score away from home. You forgot to mention our home form?? If you going to have a debate, you can't just use the bad side. Or shell we only count the home form and say how great we are doing it? This season was always going to be about surviving and then we can rebuild next season, when player's are out of contract. A lot of DC's bad signings are still costing us, as we can't get them off the books. We still have a few player's to return. THD will be week suited to playing 352 formation. Matthews could be that creative player, not sure how long he's out for though. But he started off well last season, but faded away as the team were not doing well. Rodman has not been fit this season. We have enough attacking player's, it's just they have not been good enough. Most of them were DC's signings though. The ones GC signed, look good for this level and 2. When you have Bennett, Rodman and Sercombe all on a decent wage and Matthews on the books as well. You will struggle to bring in more creativity, when you have them on the books. Then upfront we have Nichols and Payne who we had to pay off. So his wages count towards SCMP as well.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 3, 2019 10:44:49 GMT
Create more revenue streams, unfortunately to do that in the short term they might have to spend money. It's Catch 22. Spending £100K/£150K a season on an creative player is hardly going to make us bust, although relegation could well do. If expenditure is now an issue then we need to look at the need for an expensive office in London, an invisible Chairman and where the £2m+(?) is being spent p.a on non playing budget wages. Can you show me on the accounts where this office is costing £2 million a season??
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Post by Marshy on Sept 3, 2019 10:51:03 GMT
Spending £100K/£150K a season on an creative player is hardly going to make us bust, although relegation could well do. If expenditure is now an issue then we need to look at the need for an expensive office in London, an invisible Chairman and where the £2m+(?) is being spent p.a on non playing budget wages. Can you show me on the accounts where this office is costing £2 million a season?? I would like to know what actually happens in this gold plated office?
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Post by lpgas on Sept 3, 2019 11:21:52 GMT
No office, even in the heart of London costs £2 million, maybe an office block or a suite, but not just one office
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Post by chilly1883 on Sept 3, 2019 11:28:41 GMT
Is the subject not transfer deadline day? Anyway on that subject, we’ve allowed another opportunity to pass by, yet again. Starting to play a bit better, but no incomings, where it’s been blatantly obvious that we’re lacking.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 3, 2019 11:45:30 GMT
Is the subject not transfer deadline day? Anyway on that subject, we’ve allowed another opportunity to pass by, yet again. Starting to play a bit better, but no incomings, where it’s been blatantly obvious that we’re lacking. FWIW we can still sign free agents that were unattached before the deadline closed. Not sure when that deadline closes though, mid-November I think?
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Post by albaron on Sept 3, 2019 12:28:15 GMT
Is the subject not transfer deadline day? Anyway on that subject, we’ve allowed another opportunity to pass by, yet again. Starting to play a bit better, but no incomings, where it’s been blatantly obvious that we’re lacking. FWIW we can still sign free agents that were unattached before the deadline closed. Not sure when that deadline closes though, mid-November I think? I doubt we'd be able to compete with Bolton though.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 3, 2019 12:59:18 GMT
FWIW we can still sign free agents that were unattached before the deadline closed. Not sure when that deadline closes though, mid-November I think? I doubt we'd be able to compete with Bolton though. Well no but there's also another 46 clubs to compete with!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 13:50:07 GMT
Some fans want to see us play reasonably attractive football and have a reasonable chance of surviving in Div 1, I guess you're content to see us lose every away game w/o scoring and once again finish up in a relegation fight at the end of the season. Perhaps I could take that if we're more or less breaking even but the ALQ's are still managing to lose £2m/£3m a season. So your solution is to spend more money? No the solution is to cut back on unnecessary spending like the London office and the kind of backroom staff that is associated with premiership clubs,in other words bin the delusions of grandeur
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Post by peterparker on Sept 3, 2019 13:52:28 GMT
So your solution is to spend more money? No the solution is to cut back on unnecessary spending like the London office and the kind of backroom staff that is associated with premiership clubs,in other words bin the delusions of grandeur Yes that would cut costs. No arguments.
still wouldn't increase revenue though to be spent on player wages though in line with the rules
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 14:28:15 GMT
Not disputing that,although we are not privy to the actual figures but would cut the annual crippling loses if we have to limit spending on wages then why not limit spending on ancillary costs
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 3, 2019 16:32:51 GMT
Istr it being said that the London office cost £250k so hardly crippling though it would fund a decent creative midfielder. But if the AQs want a London office then I’ve no major problem with that. They are the owners so it’s up to them. It’s probably more useful than Stefan Payne ever was!😉 UTG!
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Post by buckaroo on Sept 4, 2019 20:08:40 GMT
There are some stunningly selfish and hypocritical posts here. Don’t remember many objections when this club was on the brink of financial collapse and got rescued by a foreign takeover. Gas heads were delighted when they thought these wealthy owners were about to spend millions on a new team and stadium. Sour grapes now, because it didn’t work out. What’s the difference, if we’re honest? Some fans want to see us play reasonably attractive football and have a reasonable chance of surviving in Div 1, I guess you're content to see us lose every away game w/o scoring and once again finish up in a relegation fight at the end of the season. Perhaps I could take that if we're more or less breaking even but the ALQ's are still managing to lose £2m/£3m a season. My point was to shame those who are moaning now that Bolton have been rescued and can actually sign a team. Some seem to resent that. Others seem to resent that a handful of clubs have had easy matches against them while they had their backs against the wall. How petty! Perhaps they’d like to cancel all the results before transfer deadline day, in case our opponents are now stronger than they were before.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 4, 2019 20:10:22 GMT
Istr it being said that the London office cost £250k so hardly crippling though it would fund a decent creative midfielder. But if the AQs want a London office then I’ve no major problem with that. They are the owners so it’s up to them. It’s probably more useful than Stefan Payne ever was!😉 UTG! Very dangerous sentence that.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 4, 2019 21:26:40 GMT
Istr it being said that the London office cost £250k so hardly crippling though it would fund a decent creative midfielder. But if the AQs want a London office then I’ve no major problem with that. They are the owners so it’s up to them. It’s probably more useful than Stefan Payne ever was!😉 UTG! Very dangerous sentence that. Not really dangerous is it? Tell me it’s not true and it’s not up to them by all means. They control the spending and the setting of budgets don’t they? UTG!
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Post by Gassy on Sept 4, 2019 22:29:50 GMT
Very dangerous sentence that. Not really dangerous is it? Tell me it’s not true and it’s not up to them by all means. They control the spending and the setting of budgets don’t they? UTG! Not saying it’s a lie mate, but it’s not 100% true. I’m more just saying it’s a dangerous sentence to say the owners can do what they want, never mind that someone would support it just because they potentially have that right
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Post by burnthewitch on Sept 6, 2019 8:41:24 GMT
Very dangerous sentence that. Not really dangerous is it? Tell me it’s not true and it’s not up to them by all means. They control the spending and the setting of budgets don’t they? UTG! Well now the equity of the Memorial Stadium has been largely (if not all) spent - it will be interesting to see how they set the budget and control spending. Spending £250k pa on the London office out of the equity of the Memorial Stadium that they 'inherited', is IMHO an unbelievably extravagant and indefensible waste of money. Never mind though, the Al-Qadi's are just going to take turns writing out cheques to the tune of £65k a week to keep the good ship steady. Yeah. Right.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 6, 2019 10:10:33 GMT
You might be right Topper. But, Sincs was replaced, it was just that it happened before he went with Ogogo. Lines hardly played and TL has been well replaced so far, it just didn’t cost us any money with Alfie K. Budgets are obviously very important but so far, and I’m sure others will disagree, we are playing better this season than we did at the same time last season and seem to have recruited better. But tomorrow is really important, win and we’ll think we’ve had a pretty good start. Lose and we’ll all be looking backwards getting ready for a hard season. UTG!
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