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Post by burnthewitch on Sept 3, 2019 13:04:59 GMT
Our gates over past few years have AVG between 8k-9k (down this season so far tho.) I know of those fans many couldnt pay anything, but at a guess I would say there are between 20- 25k Gasheads in the world.What I mean people that if asked who they support they would say Rovers.They may not be able to go to games all the time due to family,work, health,location etc.. Just asking if this was ever asked how much if you could,would you be willing to pay. I think your estimate of the number of Rovers fans is way too low. If we took 40k to Wembley in the past, then there must be at least 50k out there. Realistically, though, no more than 20% of supporters would donate (just guessing), and at a maximum of Ā£20 a month or say Ā£250 per annum. So optimistically we might get 10k fans donating Ā£500 for two years. A grand total of Ā£5m. Not bad, but a long way short of half. The sad thing is... 10k fans putting in Ā£800 3 1/2 years ago and in theory the supporters could have actually owned the Club. I understand Dwane Sports paid approx. Ā£8mil for BRFC? There could have been quite a few high net worth individuals who would have been able to pay substantially more then Ā£800. It could have been done. It's going to be lot harder to ever achieve any kind of fan ownership with the price tag now up around the Ā£18mil mark (ie the size of debt that BRFC owes Dwane Sports). Thank you Dwane Sports.
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Post by slam on Sept 3, 2019 17:21:18 GMT
I mean, on the face of it, Ā£0. Why would I pay out of my pocket for something that I'd then be charged Ā£400+ every year to utilise regularly? Good on the OP for willingly donating Ā£200/300 in this hypothetical situation but I'd prefer to the let the business owners and ones putting the money in to fund it rather than me. Sorry to be negative! But what if you owned equity in the stadium, any sale of the football club you'd then receive money back? It isn't a massively distant target on the assumption that your investment was used to purchase a share or shares in the Club (ie if it was an equity investment and not a donation where you had no hope of getting your money back). The long term value of the club is always going to be based on the value of the property that it owns minus any debt that it holds. Your equity based investment would therefore have a continuing value based on the value of the land and the income that you could generate from using the land wisely (with income generated by other activities not just 23 games of football a year). Most of us have pension funds and a lot of us have some form of control on how those pension funds are invested. It would be a big investment decision for each of us BUT it would be possible for some of us to direct enough money to purchase of shares in a company that could buy to land necessary to build a stadium ........... or even buy the entire club........ Who is in?
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Post by badengas on Sept 3, 2019 17:35:51 GMT
If I win 100 million and we can be sat in a new stadium for 50 million within 3 years then I'm in. It will be named after my sadly departed dad who was a lifelong supporter of the dark side.
Failing this I can do 50 quid.
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Post by slam on Sept 3, 2019 17:57:25 GMT
It isn't a massively distant target on the assumption that your investment was used to purchase a share or shares in the Club (ie if it was an equity investment and not a donation where you had no hope of getting your money back). The long term value of the club is always going to be based on the value of the property that it owns minus any debt that it holds. Your equity based investment would therefore have a continuing value based on the value of the land and the income that you could generate from using the land wisely (with income generated by other activities not just 23 games of football a year). Most of us have pension funds and a lot of us have some form of control on how those pension funds are invested. It would be a big investment decision for each of us BUT it would be possible for some of us to direct enough money to purchase of shares in a company that could buy to land necessary to build a stadium ........... or even buy the entire club........ Who is in? Problem is to buy the Fruit Market land and build a decent stadium would probably cost Ā£80m+ the only way to get a return on that outlay would be for us to become at least a top Championship side. Blackpool recently sold for Ā£10m, Bolton new owners apparently picked them up for Ā£40m and Sunderland are being bought for Ā£50m. I don't know where the figure of Ā£80 Mill came from but, even if it is true, what would the problem be, provided that you had a business plan that made sure that the land & Stadium increased in value to Ā£100 Mill in 5 years time. All you have to do is make Ā£4 Mill per year from the use of the Land.
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Post by socrates on Sept 3, 2019 20:59:31 GMT
If I could be sure 9999 other fans were going to cough up five grand and then we could build a Ā£50 m stadium I would do it but pigs would fly before that would ever happen.
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Post by aghast on Sept 3, 2019 21:11:13 GMT
But what if you owned equity in the stadium, any sale of the football club you'd then receive money back?Ā It isn't a massively distant target on the assumption that your investment was used to purchase a share or shares in the Club (ie if it was an equity investment and not a donation where you had no hope of getting your money back). The long term value of the club is always going to be based on the value of the property that it owns minus any debt that it holds.Ā Your equity based investment would therefore have a continuing value based on the value of the land and the income that you could generate from using the land wisely (with income generated by other activities not just 23 games of football a year). Most of us have pension funds and a lot of us have some form of control on how those pension funds are invested.Ā It would be a big investment decision for each of us BUT it would be possible for some of us to direct enough money to purchase of shares in a company that could buy to land necessary to build a stadium ........... or even buy the entire club........ Who is in? Invest my pension pot in Bristol Rovers.... Hmm, let me think about that for a few minutes....
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 3, 2019 21:24:17 GMT
If I win 100 million and we can be sat in a new stadium for 50 million within 3 years then I'm in. It will be named after my sadly departed dad who was a lifelong supporter of the dark side. Failing this I can do 50 quid. Chewy can turn your $50 into 5 hundy
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 3, 2019 21:27:26 GMT
Then yeah, sure. If it's a legitimate investment and not just a one-off donation to help in essence a massive company make a massive purchase then that changes things.Ā I just think - and I reiterate I realise the OP is creating this scenario hypothetically - that asking everyday match-goers to donate Ā£200 or whatever to a stadium is, for some, a large portion of their disposable income. And for something that wouldn't come to fruition for years. Especially when you consider the uproar caused by match food prices rising or a hoodie in the club shop being "way too expensive" for some at Ā£60.Ā Understandable, but I'm not sure they're asking fans to donate Ā£200 a month, just saying what he'd be willing to invest.Ā The only time I'd give the club money towards the stadium would be under 2 circumstances: 1. I own a % of it. 2. The club is owned/run by fansĀ I love the idea of a fan owned club, as long as you have sensible āfansā on the board to run the club I think itās the perfect way for a club to be run (aside from a rich man investing loads of money with no return wanted of course). You know then that the club is going to be run sustainably and not run into the ground, and any money the club receives will just go straight into the clubs bank account to be reinvested wisely. Thereās no businessmen looking to make a quick buck or idiots that donāt care about the future of the club and willing to risk it all to make the big time. Just a sustainable well run club who would play at their rightful true level.
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Post by aghast on Sept 3, 2019 21:39:58 GMT
Understandable, but I'm not sure they're asking fans to donate Ā£200 a month, just saying what he'd be willing to invest.Ā The only time I'd give the club money towards the stadium would be under 2 circumstances: 1. I own a % of it. 2. The club is owned/run by fansĀ I love the idea of a fan owned club, as long as you have sensible āfansā on the board to run the club I think itās the perfect way for a club to be run (aside from a rich man investing loads of money with no return wanted of course). You know then that the club is going to be run sustainably and not run into the ground, and any money the club receives will just go straight into the clubs bank account to be reinvested wisely. Thereās no businessmen looking to make a quick buck or idiots that donāt care about the future of the club and willing to risk it all to make the big time. Just a sustainable well run club who would play at their rightful true level. If Gaschat ran the club, we'd go bust in a month.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 3, 2019 21:42:22 GMT
I love the idea of a fan owned club, as long as you have sensible āfansā on the board to run the club I think itās the perfect way for a club to be run (aside from a rich man investing loads of money with no return wanted of course). You know then that the club is going to be run sustainably and not run into the ground, and any money the club receives will just go straight into the clubs bank account to be reinvested wisely. Thereās no businessmen looking to make a quick buck or idiots that donāt care about the future of the club and willing to risk it all to make the big time. Just a sustainable well run club who would play at their rightful true level. If Gaschat ran the club, we'd go bust in a month. Yes hence why I emphasised the sensible š
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Post by lpgas on Sept 4, 2019 0:10:59 GMT
If I could be sure 9999 other fans were going to cough up five grand and then we could build a Ā£50 m stadium I would do it but pigs would fly before that would ever happen. The problem is, some of them are kids, others are skint and some are tight arses. I fall in to 2 of those categories
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Post by singupgas on Sept 4, 2019 8:36:47 GMT
There is always the 126 million up for grabs on Friday. If I won, I would definitely get involved in a potential new ground, i would make it beautiful, smaller version of Tottenhams with all the flash lights all around the outside, the tops of each stand would glow blue and white.
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Post by dexygas on Sept 4, 2019 15:12:04 GMT
I know this is a pie in the sky kinda question,(but its my day off work and I was sat on the toilet when this came to me š) but say our board said that they want our supporters to help fund a new stadium by donating X amount each month for X amount of years, or by paying a larger one off payment to the club. For example say we had a site, the cost of it was Ā£50 million to build everything,and the board had half the funds but asked us supporters to raise the other half how much could you pay? What would you be willing to pay given your own current financial situation today? Im not talking about bucket collections here,or the raise the roof thing from years ago.But a real financial commitment by a signed contract with the club, or direct debt over a number of years. If I could guarantee that we could be in a brand new stadium within 5 years I would be willing to pay Ā£200/Ā£300 each month myself. You? Without thinking about it to much Ā£500, with a bit more thought up to Ā£1000
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Post by buckaroo on Sept 4, 2019 20:26:49 GMT
I think your estimate of the number of Rovers fans is way too low. If we took 40k to Wembley in the past, then there must be at least 50k out there. Realistically, though, no more than 20% of supporters would donate (just guessing), and at a maximum of Ā£20 a month or say Ā£250 per annum. So optimistically we might get 10k fans donating Ā£500 for two years. A grand total of Ā£5m. Not bad, but a long way short of half. The sad thing is... 10k fans putting in Ā£800 3 1/2 years ago and in theory the supporters could have actually owned the Club. I understand Dwane Sports paid approx. Ā£8mil for BRFC? There could have been quite a few high net worth individuals who would have been able to pay substantially more then Ā£800. It could have been done. It's going to be lot harder to ever achieve any kind of fan ownership with the price tag now up around the Ā£18mil mark (ie the size of debt that BRFC owes Dwane Sports). Thank you Dwane Sports. The sad thing is... those fan owners would also have to be able to fund the ongoing trading losses, as Dwane Sports has. Or, of course, make a profit. Good luck with that!
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Post by aghast on Sept 4, 2019 20:32:55 GMT
I know this is a pie in the sky kinda question,(but its my day off work and I was sat on the toilet when this came to me š) but say our board said that they want our supporters to help fund a new stadium by donating X amount each month for X amount of years, or by paying a larger one off payment to the club. For example say we had a site, the cost of it was Ā£50 million to build everything,and the board had half the funds but asked us supporters to raise the other half how much could you pay? What would you be willing to pay given your own current financial situation today? Im not talking about bucket collections here,or the raise the roof thing from years ago.But a real financial commitment by a signed contract with the club, or direct debt over a number of years. If I could guarantee that we could be in a brand new stadium within 5 years I would be willing to pay Ā£200/Ā£300 each month myself. You? Without thinking about it to much Ā£500,Ā with a bit more thought up to Ā£1000 A month?
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Post by dexygas on Sept 5, 2019 17:24:24 GMT
Without thinking about it to much Ā£500, with a bit more thought up to Ā£1000 A month? lol, no, that would be a one off payment. I have been waiting since the early eighties for Rovers to have a new stadium and there have been many false dawns. I used to hear people say 'not in my lifetime'. A comment that used to go over my head. I have now go to the stage of my life where I am saying probably not in my lifetime. Which is bloody ridiculous. 30 40 50 years to build a decent facility?
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Post by glengas on Sept 5, 2019 18:48:07 GMT
lol, no, that would be a one off payment.Ā I have been waiting since the early eighties for Rovers to have a new stadium and there have been many false dawns.Ā I used to hear people say 'not in my lifetime'.Ā A comment that used to go over my head.Ā I have now go to the stage of my life where I am saying probably not in my lifetime.Ā Which is bloody ridiculous.Ā 30 40 50 years to build a decent facility? Don't worry less than 23 months to go until we move in assuming Wael's "2 years" as accurate 5 weeks ago š¤ I think he may have had a lunchtime session in the Manchester Pub before the Blackpool game. I would be surprised if anything has happened in 2 years let alone finished.
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Post by gasincider on Sept 5, 2019 19:00:20 GMT
I just donāt get this thread? The Al Quidiās have told us that finance is not a problem, whatās wrong with everyone? I assume that was tongue in cheek. Who would hold the funds raised? If it's the current owners then no chance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2019 21:34:21 GMT
Yeah Iād pay the other half in one go! Wael just wonāt accept my drug and pimpin cash! Stupid when heās the one thatās contributed to most of my wealth!
P.s this is a joke and I can confirm I have not been involved in Waels illegal activity!
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Post by Marshy on Sept 6, 2019 9:45:57 GMT
I just donāt get this thread? The Al Quidiās have told us that finance is not a problem, whatās wrong with everyone? I assume that was tongue in cheek. Who would hold the funds raised? If it's the current owners then no chance. You obviously havenāt read page 2 of this thread then? Understandable I suppose as youāre far too busy knobbing it in the corridors of power.
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