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Post by chewbacca on Sept 30, 2019 11:06:11 GMT
Almost as if we’re resigned to never progressing in our current state. That's lower league football, in it ? The dream has gone .................... I'd disagree, plenty of well run clubs have had their time in the sun in recent years. Burnley, Huddersfield and Brighton were teams that when I started watching football were around the same level as us, with investment and sustainability they've moved up the leagues organically. It is doable, just, like I said, not in our current state.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 11:20:29 GMT
That's lower league football, in it ? The dream has gone .................... I'd disagree, plenty of well run clubs have had their time in the sun in recent years. Burnley, Huddersfield and Brighton were teams that when I started watching football were around the same level as us, with investment and sustainability they've moved up the leagues organically. It is doable, just, like I said, not in our current state. Do you think heritage plays a part Chewwy? Those clubs you mention may have been at our level when you started watching but long before had previously been top flight, even winning titles. Same as Blackpool, I think it’s just not in our DNA. The sooner we change mindset and of course have an injection of investment the better. Rag Bag Rovers innit. Of course timing plays a big part and the longer we go on without investment the harder it will be as the gap is constantly widening. At least now we have aspiration, hopes and dreams, Bury fans don’t.
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 30, 2019 11:40:52 GMT
I'd disagree, plenty of well run clubs have had their time in the sun in recent years. Burnley, Huddersfield and Brighton were teams that when I started watching football were around the same level as us, with investment and sustainability they've moved up the leagues organically. It is doable, just, like I said, not in our current state. Do you think heritage plays a part Chewwy? Those clubs you mention may have been at our level when you started watching but long before had previously been top flight, even winning titles. Same as Blackpool, I think it’s just not in our DNA. The sooner we change mindset and of course have an injection of investment the better. Rag Bag Rovers innit. Of course timing plays a big part and the longer we go on without investment the harder it will be as the gap is constantly widening. At least now we have aspiration, hopes and dreams, Bury fans don’t. Honestly, no. English football is chocker with historically important and impressive clubs. Bury, Notts County, Bradford, Bolton, Portsmouth, Wimbledon, Sunderland, Coventry, Blackpool and Ipswich have all won the FA Cup and are now third tier, or lower. Ipswich have won the UEFA Cup, Swindon and Oxford the League Cup. The amount of clubs with a strong history in England is huge. That doesn't stop the rise of other clubs. In my opinion the only clubs out of reach of clubs like us, City, Plymouth, etc are the top 6. This isn't me saying I think we will, but given the right set of circumstances, there's no reason why a Rovers, City, Plymouth couldn't see themselves get that spot Burnley did a couple of years ago.
NB: This isn't me saying we will, it's me pointing out a city the size of Bristol with the right backing could support two top flight teams. Potentially.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 30, 2019 11:42:43 GMT
Well JCH wont be in L1 come February and Peterboroughs owner won’t be in the same rush to Let their prized guys go as our owners will be to reduce some debt. Heard from a decent source yesterday a rumour that the sell on clause agreed with Coventry is a whopping 20% and whilst I would urge to say that is totally unsubstantiated for sure I just sensed “Here we go again”. That said I trust GC and his team to find another striker IF we need one .. I hadn’t heard of JCH this time last year and I’m confident he will be tracking someone somewhere. Two things from that: If there is a sell on clause surely that means that we paid a fee for JCH as I can’t say I’ve ever heard of a player signing on a free transfer and having to insert a sell on clause from his parent club, in which case I wonder what the fee was? Widdrington also brought us Stefan Payne so it could go either way!
But Payne has proven, and still is showing that he can score goals in L1. For some reason he was just awful for us.
As for any sell-on to Cov for JCH, we will get that back and more as long as we put our own in when we sell him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 11:56:49 GMT
Do you think heritage plays a part Chewwy? Those clubs you mention may have been at our level when you started watching but long before had previously been top flight, even winning titles. Same as Blackpool, I think it’s just not in our DNA. The sooner we change mindset and of course have an injection of investment the better. Rag Bag Rovers innit. Of course timing plays a big part and the longer we go on without investment the harder it will be as the gap is constantly widening. At least now we have aspiration, hopes and dreams, Bury fans don’t. Honestly, no. English football is chocker with historically important and impressive clubs. Bury, Notts County, Bradford, Bolton, Portsmouth, Wimbledon, Sunderland, Coventry, Blackpool and Ipswich have all won the FA Cup and are now third tier, or lower. Ipswich have won the UEFA Cup, Swindon and Oxford the League Cup. The amount of clubs with a strong history in England is huge. That doesn't stop the rise of other clubs. In my opinion the only clubs out of reach of clubs like us, City, Plymouth, etc are the top 6. This isn't me saying I think we will, but given the right set of circumstances, there's no reason why a Rovers, City, Plymouth couldn't see themselves get that spot Burnley did a couple of years ago.
NB: This isn't me saying we will, it's me pointing out a city the size of Bristol with the right backing could support two top flight teams. Potentially.
Yes the population of our fair city is another frustrating factor and a no reason why we could not facilitate two top flight clubs. One problem in Bristol is we have two good universities that when people come to study at fall in love with bristol and stay. I work for a construction company and two out of our nine directly employed staff on the tools came from out of town (oxford and Plymouth) to live in Bristol due to its reputation. Out of the four office staff two of those also came to live in Bristol (both from London) as it is deemed as a cool place to reside. Add to that the immigrant population from abroad and I would be interested to see the actual indigenous population number. There are so many people in this area that have no affiliation with either club and City are in a much better position to attract these floaters. Anyway prob wrong thread for this discussion but I think we can agree that Rovers need to pull there fingers out!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 30, 2019 12:13:11 GMT
Two things from that: If there is a sell on clause surely that means that we paid a fee for JCH as I can’t say I’ve ever heard of a player signing on a free transfer and having to insert a sell on clause from his parent club, in which case I wonder what the fee was? Widdrington also brought us Stefan Payne so it could go either way!
But Payne has proven, and still is showing that he can score goals in L1. For some reason he was just awful for us.
As for any sell-on to Cov for JCH, we will get that back and more as long as we put our own in when we sell him
Agree completely LMW. He was awful for us and seemed to come without the right attitude. Payne may score goals in League 1 but I thought watching the goals he has scored he was almost standing on the goal line when he scored at least 3 of them. Very easy and anyone could have scored those particular goals. We don’t seem to create tap ins do we? People have to create for Payne which we didn’t. Thankfully JCH completely different and creates his own or when helped by others will score, like Saturday. UTG!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 30, 2019 12:22:25 GMT
But Payne has proven, and still is showing that he can score goals in L1. For some reason he was just awful for us.
As for any sell-on to Cov for JCH, we will get that back and more as long as we put our own in when we sell him
Agree completely LMW. He was awful for us and seemed to come without the right attitude. Payne may score goals in League 1 but I thought watching the goals he has scored he was almost standing on the goal line when he scored at least 3 of them. Very easy and anyone could have scored those particular goals. We don’t seem to create tap ins do we? People have to create for Payne which we didn’t. Thankfully JCH completely different and creates his own or when helped by others will score, like Saturday. UTG!
I wish JCH would score a few more tap-ins as scoring 30 yarders and powerful run/finishes is bringing him a lot more attention!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 1, 2019 11:08:25 GMT
Almost as if we’re resigned to never progressing in our current state. That's lower league football, in it ? The dream has gone .................... The child has grown, the dream is gone. Flushed away at Eastville and we have never recovered. I think that if you combine our ageing fanbase plus not realistically seeing anything change for the better and you have your reason for the missing fans
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 1, 2019 11:09:54 GMT
That's lower league football, in it ? The dream has gone .................... I'd disagree, plenty of well run clubs have had their time in the sun in recent years. Burnley, Huddersfield and Brighton were teams that when I started watching football were around the same level as us, with investment and sustainability they've moved up the leagues organically. It is doable, just, like I said, not in our current state. Yes it is doable but it would need considerable investment. As you rightly say, not in our current state.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 1, 2019 11:17:38 GMT
I'd disagree, plenty of well run clubs have had their time in the sun in recent years. Burnley, Huddersfield and Brighton were teams that when I started watching football were around the same level as us, with investment and sustainability they've moved up the leagues organically. It is doable, just, like I said, not in our current state. Yes it is doable but it would need considerable investment. As you rightly say, not in our current state. The investment is needed in the stadium...
The KC Stadium cost £44 million in 2001 The Amex Stadium cost £93 million in 2011
Be interesting to see what similar would cost in 2021.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 1, 2019 11:20:11 GMT
Yes it is doable but it would need considerable investment. As you rightly say, not in our current state. The investment is needed in the stadium...
The KC Stadium cost £44 million in 2001 The Amex Stadium cost £93 million in 2011
Be interesting to see what similar would cost in 2021.
it will cost more than that for the cost of the land these days !
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 1, 2019 11:22:01 GMT
The investment is needed in the stadium...
The KC Stadium cost £44 million in 2001 The Amex Stadium cost £93 million in 2011
Be interesting to see what similar would cost in 2021.
it will cost more than that for the cost of the land these days ! Yep, poor decisions by men in suits ruined it for future generations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 11:37:28 GMT
Do you think heritage plays a part Chewwy? Those clubs you mention may have been at our level when you started watching but long before had previously been top flight, even winning titles. Same as Blackpool, I think it’s just not in our DNA. The sooner we change mindset and of course have an injection of investment the better. Rag Bag Rovers innit. Of course timing plays a big part and the longer we go on without investment the harder it will be as the gap is constantly widening. At least now we have aspiration, hopes and dreams, Bury fans don’t. Honestly, no. English football is chocker with historically important and impressive clubs. Bury, Notts County, Bradford, Bolton, Portsmouth, Wimbledon, Sunderland, Coventry, Blackpool and Ipswich have all won the FA Cup and are now third tier, or lower. Ipswich have won the UEFA Cup, Swindon and Oxford the League Cup. The amount of clubs with a strong history in England is huge. That doesn't stop the rise of other clubs. In my opinion the only clubs out of reach of clubs like us, City, Plymouth, etc are the top 6. This isn't me saying I think we will, but given the right set of circumstances, there's no reason why a Rovers, City, Plymouth couldn't see themselves get that spot Burnley did a couple of years ago.
NB: This isn't me saying we will, it's me pointing out a city the size of Bristol with the right backing could support two top flight teams. Potentially.
Fair points and I don't disagree that it's technically possible. However as you say, that's entirely dependant on someone incredibly wealthy willing to gamble/invest hundreds of millions which is obviously a long, long away from where we are now and well outside of our direct control. We missed the boat in the 90's/early 00's when the likes of Hull, Swansea etc were very much at our level and we didn't have the financial backing and business acumen to put a decent resource in place which would generate significant footballing and non-football income. The skewed nature of financial distribution now makes those clubs well outside of our reach IMO, even with considerably more investment on the pitch than we do now. The gulf between the Championship and the rest is growing year by year and it won't be long until it's pretty much a closed door I'd suggest. Sadly the influence of money on the game has never been greater and has never restricted the hopes and dreams of lower league clubs more so.
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Post by aghast on Oct 1, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
Yes it is doable but it would need considerable investment. As you rightly say, not in our current state. The investment is needed in the stadium...
The KC Stadium cost £44 million in 2001 The Amex Stadium cost £93 million in 2011
Be interesting to see what similar would cost in 2021.
To be fair, the Amex is a top quality stadium way beyond anything we would ever get, but I didn't know the KC stadium cost so much. Apart from one big stand it's not that different from the UWE, which was meant to cost about £30m (?) in 2012. That looks a bit optimistic, and gawd knows what it would cost today.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 3, 2019 16:53:01 GMT
In recognition to JCH ongoing feats I feel he needs a more just song as the current one is nondescript and doesn’t ring out across the ground in recognition of our love for him. How about an adaptation of Gaffneys rendition.
Oh JCH.......You are the love of my life Oh JCH I’d let you shag my wife Oh JCH ....I want tattoos too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 20:22:16 GMT
In recognition to JCH ongoing feats I feel he needs a more just song as the current one is nondescript and doesn’t ring out across the ground in recognition of our love for him. How about an adaptation of Gaffneys rendition. Oh JCH.......You are the love of my life Oh JCH I’d let you shag my wife Oh JCH ....I want tattoos too Definitely needs a decent song. The current one is barely audible and it seems like no-one knows the words.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 4, 2019 8:11:40 GMT
A song for JCH Change Aleisha Key's " This girl is on fire " to this boy/guy ...... another winner
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