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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 26, 2019 20:21:30 GMT
Finally GC today came of age a little bit and made the big decisions of pulling OC and Craig who had poor games.
For the last 2 and a bit years I’ve watched Craig have absolute shockers and stayon the field or kept his place in the team where others have been subbed and then dropped.
I think he learnt a real lesson on Tuesday, that a) having a plan b is important and b) sucking it up with your favourites doesn’t always work and if you’re not good enough on the day, then you deserve to get subbed.
Those 2 decisions today rescued a point for us and the change of formation really did wonders for the team.
I still think 352 is the way to go but I do hope that GC can look more subjectively and pick players or sub players based on performance rather than the predictive set up and rotational performance of some players we have gotten use to seeing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2019 20:31:53 GMT
What's your issue with TC, you've started two separate threads having a pop at him?
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Post by clampdown on Oct 26, 2019 20:37:51 GMT
Craig is our best central defender by a country mile. He made one (albeit costly) mistake today. The substitution was a formation change, leaving two younger legs on, nothing to do with his performance.
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Post by nailseamark on Oct 26, 2019 20:46:51 GMT
You are completely wrong Craig has been a part of a great defence for the last couple of seasons. It’s the attack that completely lets us down!
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Post by axegas on Oct 26, 2019 20:53:40 GMT
I think Craig suffered a bit of a blow to the head after deflecting a goal bound shot just prior so I think that coupled with the tactical decision to go 442 was the reason he was taken off.
Some of the criticism he attracts is just ludicrous, been one of the most consistent defenders we’ve had at the club over the last couple of years and marshals the defence superbly.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 26, 2019 20:54:32 GMT
What's your issue with TC, you've started two separate threads having a pop at him? It’s not personal. I call out all players who have poor games. Look at my review of Tuesday, you will see that. Craig however is past his best now and there are better defenders available that will improve us. He also consistently costs us goals. 1 on Tuesday and 1 today just the recent examples. He relies on others around him to do the running as evidenced when he couldn’t keep pace with a 36 year old Murphy on Tuesday night. The positives to his game are his organisational skills of the other 2 centre halves but that only gets you so far.
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Post by socrates on Oct 26, 2019 20:57:15 GMT
craig and olly Clarke have been important players for us and still are important players going forward. Craig has been very good this season and made one mistake today which cost a goal Olly Clarke has been poor or injured most of this season but has been like that before and then gone on to win player of the season the following season so he hasn’t become not good enough over night just going through a bad spell. But yes I agree Coughlan made the right subs today and the right formation change which is big a thing for me as the come back for a point. My biggest worry has been that he hasn’t got the ability to see how to fix something that’s not working and just makes subs that are like for like but today he changed it and got it right. However I still wouldn’t be surprised if he went with 5-3-2 with olly ogs and upson in midfield again in the next game though 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 20:57:49 GMT
What's your issue with TC, you've started two separate threads having a pop at him? It’s not personal. I call out all players who have poor games. Look at my review of Tuesday, you will see that. Craig however is past his best now and there are better defenders available that will improve us. He also consistently costs us goals. 1 on Tuesday and 1 today just the recent examples. He relies on others around him to do the running as evidenced when he couldn’t keep pace with a 36 year old Murphy on Tuesday night. The positives to his game are his organisational skills of the other 2 centre halves but that only gets you so far. Where are these " better defenders available that will improve us"?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 26, 2019 21:02:03 GMT
craig and olly Clarke have been important players for us and still are important players going forward. Craig has been very good this season and made one mistake today which cost a goal Olly Clarke has been poor or injured most of this season but has been like that before and then gone on to win player of the season the following season so he hasn’t become not good enough over night just going through a bad spell. But yes I agree Coughlan made the right subs today and the right formation change which is big a thing for me as the come back for a point. My biggest worry has been that he hasn’t got the ability to see how to fix something that’s not working and just makes subs that are like for like but today he changed it and got it right. However I still wouldn’t be surprised if he went with 5-3-2 with olly ogs and upson in midfield again in the next game though 🙄 People just dont get it with Ollie Clarke do they. Its not that hes not interested. Its not that he is not fit, its not that He hasn't become not good enough over night, he was just never that good. He had one really good season with us but other than that he is nothing special. If we want to compete in the top half of this league then he should be a squad player not 1 first 11, and definitely not captain!
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Post by socrates on Oct 26, 2019 21:10:00 GMT
craig and olly Clarke have been important players for us and still are important players going forward. Craig has been very good this season and made one mistake today which cost a goal Olly Clarke has been poor or injured most of this season but has been like that before and then gone on to win player of the season the following season so he hasn’t become not good enough over night just going through a bad spell. But yes I agree Coughlan made the right subs today and the right formation change which is big a thing for me as the come back for a point. My biggest worry has been that he hasn’t got the ability to see how to fix something that’s not working and just makes subs that are like for like but today he changed it and got it right. However I still wouldn’t be surprised if he went with 5-3-2 with olly ogs and upson in midfield again in the next game though 🙄 People just dont get it with Ollie Clarke do they. Its not that hes not interested. Its not that he is not fit, its not that He hasn't become not good enough over night, he was just never that good. He had one really good season with us but other than that he is nothing special. If we want to compete in the top half of this league then he should be a squad player not 1 first 11, and definitely not captain! Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 26, 2019 21:12:55 GMT
People just dont get it with Ollie Clarke do they. Its not that hes not interested. Its not that he is not fit, its not that He hasn't become not good enough over night, he was just never that good. He had one really good season with us but other than that he is nothing special. If we want to compete in the top half of this league then he should be a squad player not 1 first 11, and definitely not captain! Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us. Bizarre how he won that last year IMO. Totally disagreed with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 21:16:46 GMT
Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us. Bizarre how he won that last year IMO. Totally disagreed with it. Your not the only one GGMI.
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Post by socrates on Oct 26, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us. Bizarre how he won that last year IMO. Totally disagreed with it. Fair enough I don’t think he was fantastic last season I think he was consistent and one of our better players for sure. JCH was fantastic and his goals kept us up, he should have won it.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 26, 2019 21:20:58 GMT
Bizarre how he won that last year IMO. Totally disagreed with it. Fair enough I don’t think he was fantastic last season I think he was consistent and one of our better players for sure. JCH was fantastic and his goals kept us up, he should have won it. I could think of others straight away though too. James Clarke, Bonham, Ogogo was better but only half a season. Just off the top of my head, and we had a shocking season!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2019 21:40:09 GMT
People just dont get it with Ollie Clarke do they. Its not that hes not interested. Its not that he is not fit, its not that He hasn't become not good enough over night, he was just never that good. He had one really good season with us but other than that he is nothing special. If we want to compete in the top half of this league then he should be a squad player not 1 first 11, and definitely not captain! Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us. Who actually voted him Player of the Season as the fans choice would have been JC, JCH or Bonham, even Locks etc not OC, regardless being a decent player last seasons doesn't make him one this season, why doesn't he just play for the Develop. Squad until he finds his form, assuming he can find it as he's not up to League 1 standard at present and just gets in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 22:01:11 GMT
Totally disagree with the theme of the op. The changes were very effective[in hindsight] but purely tactical. We changed to a 4-4-2 which helped the lively rodman get further up the pitch and introduced the attack minded sercombe on the left. One interesting possible side effect of the change is that the manager might be tempted to play a 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 type formation which would mean we could play little and rodman in the starting line up. Craig would probably lose his place if that happened.
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Post by hardingegas on Oct 26, 2019 22:42:42 GMT
The game changer was Sercombe coming on to take the game to the oppostion something that sadly Ollie doesn't have in his locker.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 27, 2019 6:03:16 GMT
Most of our players aren’t that special but he’s won player of the season twice for us so he’s hardly been a poor performer for us has he. If I was manager he’d be on the bench for the next game because been been awful lately but that doesn’t change what he’s done with us. Who actually voted him Player of the Season as the fans choice would have been JC, JCH or Bonham, even Locks etc not OC, regardless being a decent player last seasons doesn't make him one this season, why doesn't he just play for the Develop. Squad until he finds his form, assuming he can find it as he's not up to League 1 standard at present and just gets in the way. OC was voted POTS by his teammates. Craig isn't very good, and for the life of me I cannot understand how some people gush over him.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 27, 2019 6:08:18 GMT
Craig is our best central defender by a country mile. He made one (albeit costly) mistake today. The substitution was a formation change, leaving two younger legs on, nothing to do with his performance.
Did the 2 subs only have one younger legs each then?
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Post by oldtoteender on Oct 27, 2019 11:04:25 GMT
Sorry i have to disagree with the post if GC was getting/making right decisions he would not have started Ollie Clarke.
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