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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 10, 2020 8:34:56 GMT
So you're pretty much admitting you're happy clapping about the tiredness excus eif you think we would have gone down over BG? Thankyou! No like Oxford, injuries still have an impact. Other time we might be better under BG, we might be worse though. It could go either way. But it wasn't worth the risk last season. Last season we had to just roll up our sleeves and battle. GC seems a better motivator, there is no doubt in that. But he would have still struggled, missing key players. It's not an excuse. Hopefully BG can bring other things to the table, when he actually gets a chance to take some training. It's not just tiredness thats an issue. When you play midweek every week, the manager has no time to work on things in training. To change the way we play etc. It's all about recovery. Well I think that is BG's first big mistake. Trying to change the way we play too quick and too soon. He should have waited until he's got a squad that he is happy with I. E end of Jan. In hindsight, he has prob come in at the wrong time, especially with trying to change so much during it too. I agree last season definitely wouldn't have been the right time to bring him in. If we were going to take a risk like it, now was the right time, so far it hasn't paid off and I have struggled to take many positives and a lot of negatives. Speaking a good game is not really a positive IMO. He is clearly learning on the job, and all we can do is back him. I will continue to judge on what I see though.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 10, 2020 9:04:50 GMT
No like Oxford, injuries still have an impact. Other time we might be better under BG, we might be worse though. It could go either way. But it wasn't worth the risk last season. Last season we had to just roll up our sleeves and battle. GC seems a better motivator, there is no doubt in that. But he would have still struggled, missing key players. It's not an excuse. Hopefully BG can bring other things to the table, when he actually gets a chance to take some training. It's not just tiredness thats an issue. When you play midweek every week, the manager has no time to work on things in training. To change the way we play etc. It's all about recovery. Well I think that is BG's first big mistake. Trying to change the way we play too quick and too soon. He should have waited until he's got a squad that he is happy with I. E end of Jan. In hindsight, he has prob come in at the wrong time, especially with trying to change so much during it too. I agree last season definitely wouldn't have been the right time to bring him in. If we were going to take a risk like it, now was the right time, so far it hasn't paid off and I have struggled to take many positives and a lot of negatives. Speaking a good game is not really a positive IMO. He is clearly learning on the job, and all we can do is back him. I will continue to judge on what I see though. The first few games he kept it the same. Same formation and I think most of us would have picked the same side, with the available player's. Tuesday was the first time we went to a back 4, but kilgour had to play right back, as we have no fit right backs. We were not winning playing the GC way, under BG. As I said I don't think injuries helped with that. Maybe he now things, I might as well try and change things, as we are not winning anyway. It will hinder us short term, hopefully we will be ok long term. Will be interesting to see how we line up tomorrow. Will he change formations like in Tuesday, or go back to 352, like he has in all the other league games. So far it's not been good enough, at the end of the day it's a results business. Just saying you have to take other things into consideration as well. So I'm willing to give him more time. Want to see what we are like, when we have key player's back. GC did wonders. He found a system that worked. Problem we have, is player's like Bennett have never fit into the system. So when player's like OC and Ogogo are out. We don't look the same. As we are having to play youngster's instead of having senior players, who can step in. Imagine where we could have been, if the budget was not tied up on player's like Bennett and Nichols.
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 12:00:54 GMT
Considering Oxford are apparently "Quality" and they've had Ben WoodBurn and Matty Taylor yet only scored I think 5 goals between them in over 20 games, and are only 3 points above us in the table, isn't that great is it? I bet they finish a lot more than 3 points above us come the end of the season. They have actually been unlucky with injuries Woodburn has been our injured for most of the season and Taylor was injured for quite a bit. George Throne signed on loan but got injured immediately, then their keeper got inured and they had to loan one in. You have only mentioned 2 of their players. They have a really strong squad...Brannagan, Henry, Gorrin, Fosu, Baptiste plus some quality loans they have just signed. Holland on loan from West Ham is top for goalscoring and assists in the U23 premier division. They are a team really pushing to go up and we are a club who seem to want to do anything but go up. I predict they will win finish league one champions. You can add Celtic defender Lee O'Connor to that list. The former Man Utd player is another quality addition!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 10, 2020 12:10:30 GMT
I bet they finish a lot more than 3 points above us come the end of the season. They have actually been unlucky with injuries Woodburn has been our injured for most of the season and Taylor was injured for quite a bit. George Throne signed on loan but got injured immediately, then their keeper got inured and they had to loan one in. You have only mentioned 2 of their players. They have a really strong squad...Brannagan, Henry, Gorrin, Fosu, Baptiste plus some quality loans they have just signed. Holland on loan from West Ham is top for goalscoring and assists in the U23 premier division. They are a team really pushing to go up and we are a club who seem to want to do anything but go up. I predict they will win finish league one champions. You can add Celtic defender Lee O'Connor to that list. The former Man Utd player is another quality addition! Happy days!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 12:24:18 GMT
Well I think that is BG's first big mistake. Trying to change the way we play too quick and too soon. He should have waited until he's got a squad that he is happy with I. E end of Jan. In hindsight, he has prob come in at the wrong time, especially with trying to change so much during it too. I agree last season definitely wouldn't have been the right time to bring him in. If we were going to take a risk like it, now was the right time, so far it hasn't paid off and I have struggled to take many positives and a lot of negatives. Speaking a good game is not really a positive IMO. He is clearly learning on the job, and all we can do is back him. I will continue to judge on what I see though. The first few games he kept it the same. Same formation and I think most of us would have picked the same side, with the available player's. Tuesday was the first time we went to a back 4, but kilgour had to play right back, as we have no fit right backs. We were not winning playing the GC way, under BG. As I said I don't think injuries helped with that. Maybe he now things, I might as well try and change things, as we are not winning anyway. It will hinder us short term, hopefully we will be ok long term. Will be interesting to see how we line up tomorrow. Will he change formations like in Tuesday, or go back to 352, like he has in all the other league games. So far it's not been good enough, at the end of the day it's a results business. Just saying you have to take other things into consideration as well. So I'm willing to give him more time. Want to see what we are like, when we have key player's back. GC did wonders. He found a system that worked. Problem we have, is player's like Bennett have never fit into the system. So when player's like OC and Ogogo are out. We don't look the same. As we are having to play youngster's instead of having senior players, who can step in. Imagine where we could have been, if the budget was not tied up on player's like Bennett and Nichols. The formation and personnel was the same but there was more tippy tappy football. Even when we eventually went long we weren’t getting shots on goal which was GC’s hall mark. So he has changed stuff from day one. As I’ve said before he should have had a watching brief initially so as not to disrupt anything. Our owners probably don’t want promotion anyway so they will be chuffed how it has all unfolded.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 10, 2020 12:36:59 GMT
The first few games he kept it the same. Same formation and I think most of us would have picked the same side, with the available player's. Tuesday was the first time we went to a back 4, but kilgour had to play right back, as we have no fit right backs. We were not winning playing the GC way, under BG. As I said I don't think injuries helped with that. Maybe he now things, I might as well try and change things, as we are not winning anyway. It will hinder us short term, hopefully we will be ok long term. Will be interesting to see how we line up tomorrow. Will he change formations like in Tuesday, or go back to 352, like he has in all the other league games. So far it's not been good enough, at the end of the day it's a results business. Just saying you have to take other things into consideration as well. So I'm willing to give him more time. Want to see what we are like, when we have key player's back. GC did wonders. He found a system that worked. Problem we have, is player's like Bennett have never fit into the system. So when player's like OC and Ogogo are out. We don't look the same. As we are having to play youngster's instead of having senior players, who can step in. Imagine where we could have been, if the budget was not tied up on player's like Bennett and Nichols. The formation and personnel was the same but there was more tippy tappy football. Even when we eventually went long we weren’t getting shots on goal which was GC’s hall mark. So he has changed stuff from day one. As I’ve said before he should have had a watching brief initially so as not to disrupt anything. Our owners probably don’t want promotion anyway so they will be chuffed how it has all unfolded. He can't make then change the way they play with no training. We have always played short passes as well as long. We did under GC. Upson always brings it down and plays it simple. It didn't change. Fans are just looking out for short passes now and highlighting them more. The way fans are going on, it's like we have changed from the Wimbledon of old, to trying to play like Man city. We still look long for JCH a lot. He's been playing with an injury and out of form though. Which has not helped the way we play. Funny thing is we probably played more tippy tappy football against Ipswich, than we have since BG took over. Because we had Smith and Nichols upfront, we couldn't go long as much. Although we did look for the channels etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 12:44:05 GMT
The formation and personnel was the same but there was more tippy tappy football. Even when we eventually went long we weren’t getting shots on goal which was GC’s hall mark. So he has changed stuff from day one. As I’ve said before he should have had a watching brief initially so as not to disrupt anything. Our owners probably don’t want promotion anyway so they will be chuffed how it has all unfolded. He can't make then change the way they play with no training. We have always played short passes as well as long. We did under GC. Upson always brings it down and plays it simple. It didn't change. Fans are just looking out for short passes now and highlighting them more. The way fans are going on, it's like we have changed from the Wimbledon of old, to trying to play like Man city. We still look long for JCH a lot. He's been playing with an injury and out of form though. Which has not helped the way we play. Funny thing is we probably played more tippy tappy football against Ipswich, than we have since BG took over. Because we had Smith and Nichols upfront, we couldn't go long as much. Although we did look for the channels etc. We looked a completely different side from the Peterborough game to the Wimbledon one and that was just in a matter of days. We looked steady if unspectacular against Peterborough and it was very dull and agricultural, the hallmark of GC. Against Wimbledon it was noticeable that our approach was to crab sideways across the pitch with endless passing and no-one having a clue what they should be doing with it. I’ve seen others say that this was the approach taken against Bromley and Southend, two of our worst performances so if Garner has been watching us so regularly why is he trying to bring that back? It was much the same against MK Dons until we abandon it late in the game and go long. But it is a fair point that our down turn in form has also coincided with the return of JCH. I’m not sure he would actually be in our best XI under a Coughlan given how we won so many games without him this season and given that he hasn’t pulled up trees since coming back into the side.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 10, 2020 13:11:37 GMT
He can't make then change the way they play with no training. We have always played short passes as well as long. We did under GC. Upson always brings it down and plays it simple. It didn't change. Fans are just looking out for short passes now and highlighting them more. The way fans are going on, it's like we have changed from the Wimbledon of old, to trying to play like Man city. We still look long for JCH a lot. He's been playing with an injury and out of form though. Which has not helped the way we play. Funny thing is we probably played more tippy tappy football against Ipswich, than we have since BG took over. Because we had Smith and Nichols upfront, we couldn't go long as much. Although we did look for the channels etc. We looked a completely different side from the Peterborough game to the Wimbledon one and that was just in a matter of days. We looked steady if unspectacular against Peterborough and it was very dull and agricultural, the hallmark of GC. Against Wimbledon it was noticeable that our approach was to crab sideways across the pitch with endless passing and no-one having a clue what they should be doing with it. I’ve seen others say that this was the approach taken against Bromley and Southend, two of our worst performances so if Garner has been watching us so regularly why is he trying to bring that back? It was much the same against MK Dons until we abandon it late in the game and go long. But it is a fair point that our down turn in form has also coincided with the return of JCH. I’m not sure he would actually be in our best XI under a Coughlan given how we won so many games without him this season and given that he hasn’t pulled up trees since coming back into the side. He only took training for a few hours before the AFC game and that was just meeting everyone. If they played differently, he certainly didn't change it. I didn't see a lot of difference between the games going forward. We just defended poorly against AFC during the 2nd half. Is it a myth that we won loads of games without JCH? We didn't win for 3 games in a row, when he was out earlier in the season. We beat MK without him, when they were on an awful run. Then failed to win the next 3 without him. Think we won the next game without him, then he returned. Not sure how we did the next time he was out. We rely on his goals too much, especially with Smith injured, we don't have many other options at the moment. Smith was starting to look good as well.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 13:20:31 GMT
Daniel there can be no real excuses if we don't play well tomorrow as most of the players will have had a good rest this week. If we play poorly again tomorrow I do wonder if there's any hope for BG, unless Wael decides to back him with a couple of quality signings, but I doubt he will.
I can't believe in the space of a couple of weeks we've gone from promotion contenders to now wondering where our next win will come from, and odds on to be out of both cups as well.
Which game did Smith actually look good, he was even struggling to start ahead of Nichols before his injury? In some game he looked totally out of his depth.
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 17:22:28 GMT
Joe Powell aged 22 west Ham academy striker linked with a move to us according to newsnow. Also linked with a loan deal for Conor Coventry from West Ham Signed for Lincoln on loan along with Tyreece John-Jules from Arsenal. They've also signed Tayo Edun (good player!) from Fulham and Max Melbourne from West Brom on permanent deals.
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Post by horfield on Jan 10, 2020 18:11:43 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2020 19:36:10 GMT
Considering Oxford are apparently "Quality" and they've had Ben WoodBurn and Matty Taylor yet only scored I think 5 goals between them in over 20 games, and are only 3 points above us in the table, isn't that great is it? I bet they finish a lot more than 3 points above us come the end of the season. They have actually been unlucky with injuries Woodburn has been our injured for most of the season and Taylor was injured for quite a bit. George Throne signed on loan but got injured immediately, then their keeper got inured and they had to loan one in. You have only mentioned 2 of their players. They have a really strong squad...Brannagan, Henry, Gorrin, Fosu, Baptiste plus some quality loans they have just signed. Holland on loan from West Ham is top for goalscoring and assists in the U23 premier division. They are a team really pushing to go up and we are a club who seem to want to do anything but go up. I predict they will win finish league one champions. There you go. You've named all those players, along with Woodburn and Taylor, and with all that so called "Quality" they are still only 3 points above us and have been pretty much below us all season, they've only leapfrogged us over the Festive Period. We also beat them 3-1 at home did we not? Have we ourselves not been struggling with injuries and having enough fit players? It happens to everybody. Will they go up as Champions? Who knows.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 10, 2020 19:38:51 GMT
I bet they finish a lot more than 3 points above us come the end of the season. They have actually been unlucky with injuries Woodburn has been our injured for most of the season and Taylor was injured for quite a bit. George Throne signed on loan but got injured immediately, then their keeper got inured and they had to loan one in. You have only mentioned 2 of their players. They have a really strong squad...Brannagan, Henry, Gorrin, Fosu, Baptiste plus some quality loans they have just signed. Holland on loan from West Ham is top for goalscoring and assists in the U23 premier division. They are a team really pushing to go up and we are a club who seem to want to do anything but go up. I predict they will win finish league one champions. There you go. You've named all those players, along with Woodburn and Taylor, and with all that so called "Quality" they are still only 3 points above us and have been pretty much below us all season, they've only leapfrogged us over the Festive Period. We also beat them 3-1 at home did we not? Have we ourselves not been struggling with injuries and having enough fit players? It happens to everybody. Will they go up as Champions? Who knows. Who knows indeed. Will they finish above us? Everybody knows. They will.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 10, 2020 19:43:08 GMT
Love to sign joe Powell, kinda player For the future and we haven’t had a player with a great football brain on them for a while
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Post by axegas on Jan 10, 2020 19:55:24 GMT
Love to sign joe Powell, kinda player For the future and we haven’t had a player with a great football brain on them for a while Holmes-Dennis? (When he’s not injured obviously)
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2020 20:06:39 GMT
There you go. You've named all those players, along with Woodburn and Taylor, and with all that so called "Quality" they are still only 3 points above us and have been pretty much below us all season, they've only leapfrogged us over the Festive Period. We also beat them 3-1 at home did we not? Have we ourselves not been struggling with injuries and having enough fit players? It happens to everybody. Will they go up as Champions? Who knows. Who knows indeed. Will they finish above us? Everybody knows. They will. Do they?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 10, 2020 21:00:05 GMT
Daniel there can be no real excuses if we don't play well tomorrow as most of the players will have had a good rest this week. If we play poorly again tomorrow I do wonder if there's any hope for BG, unless Wael decides to back him with a couple of quality signings, but I doubt he will. I can't believe in the space of a couple of weeks we've gone from promotion contenders to now wondering where our next win will come from, and odds on to be out of both cups as well. Which game did Smith actually look good, he was even struggling to start ahead of Nichols before his injury? In some game he looked totally out of his depth. Who had a good rest?? JCH, Leary and Rodman?? Are OC, Ogogo, Smith, Jakola etc back then? JCH only didn't play as he wasn't for enough. He's still not had time to take any proper training. He's had enough time now then??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 21:23:30 GMT
Daniel there can be no real excuses if we don't play well tomorrow as most of the players will have had a good rest this week. If we play poorly again tomorrow I do wonder if there's any hope for BG, unless Wael decides to back him with a couple of quality signings, but I doubt he will. I can't believe in the space of a couple of weeks we've gone from promotion contenders to now wondering where our next win will come from, and odds on to be out of both cups as well. Which game did Smith actually look good, he was even struggling to start ahead of Nichols before his injury? In some game he looked totally out of his depth. Who had a good rest?? JCH, Leary and Rodman?? Are OC, Ogogo, Smith, Jakola etc back then? JCH only didn't play as he wasn't for enough. He's still not had time to take any proper training. He's had enough time now then?? Whats he going to teach the squad on the training pitch that will improve on 4th in the league?
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 10, 2020 21:36:47 GMT
Who had a good rest?? JCH, Leary and Rodman?? Are OC, Ogogo, Smith, Jakola etc back then? JCH only didn't play as he wasn't for enough. He's still not had time to take any proper training. He's had enough time now then?? Whats he going to teach the squad on the training pitch that will improve on 4th in the league? That makes no sense. Even the elite can improve. If what he does makes no difference, then why has our form dropped?? Why bother training at all lol The way we were playing was working. We are now missing the key player's for that system to work. We don't have any right backs to go 442 or 433. We have 2 new players, who don't know the squad. Who have not had chance to get to know our player's strengths and weaknesses. For our players to get to know theirs. Training won't help any of that?? We don't currently have the squad that was 4th in the league.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 21:45:30 GMT
Whats he going to teach the squad on the training pitch that will improve on 4th in the league? That makes no sense. Even the elite can improve. If what he does makes no difference, then why has our form dropped?? Why bother training at all lol The way we were playing was working. We are now missing the key player's for that system to work. We don't have any right backs to go 442 or 433. We have 2 new players, who don't know the squad. Who have not had chance to get to know our player's strengths and weaknesses. For our players to get to know theirs. Training won't help any of that?? We don't currently have the squad that was 4th in the league. That's got to be the best question you've ever posted on here!!! As far as your last point apart from Ogogo who's missing from the team which won at Ipswich? Anssi obviously but he's hardly the reason we're not scoring goals?
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