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Post by yattongas on Jan 10, 2020 19:03:31 GMT
Agreed we desperately need a new striker but the rest of the OP is a bit OTT
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2020 19:35:19 GMT
With Nichols having been told he is not in BGs plans and Gavin Reillys exclusion from Wednesdays game signalling that he to wont play for us again and Tyler Smith still a few weeks off fitness at least means we are left with JCH and Adejoko or having to play with one up front.Its pretty well the same in midfield with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke injured,Upson possibly suspended we are left with Sercombe and a load of youngsters. We also have no fit right back whatsoever. Wael what is happening?? This is a bloody shambles and you remain quiet and we are a club with no lead whatsoever from the top. The downward rend will co9ntinue until there are massive changes. Yeah Wael !! You’ve taken away our future ! How dare you ! I should be in school now !
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 10, 2020 20:08:36 GMT
If BG wants to play 4 at the back then the shopping list increases somewhat.
We would need a CH and move Craig on as he can’t play in a pair. A LB a RB and the strikers your after.
It’s clear the next moves will involve Bennett and Nichols moving on so expect no activity until the last week of the window.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 20:09:12 GMT
Agreed we desperately need a new striker but the rest of the OP is a bit OTT Do we desperately need a new striker? We've JCH, Barrett and until they leave Nichols, Reilly & Adeboyejo plus Smith when he's fit, I'd have thought right back is more of an issue plus midfield if Ogogo is out for any length of time and we've also no real back up goalie.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 20:10:29 GMT
If BG wants to play 4 at the back then the shopping list increases somewhat. We would need a CH and move Craig on as he can’t play in a pair. A LB a RB and the strikers your after. It’s clear the next moves will involve Bennett and Nichols moving on so expect no activity until the last week of the window. No guarantee either will move, Swindon can't afford Bennett and Cheltenham apparently now need a goalie not Nicko. It would be sheer bloody mindness by BG to move on probably our outfield player of the year in Craig.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 10, 2020 20:16:52 GMT
Agreed we desperately need a new striker but the rest of the OP is a bit OTT Do we desperately need a new striker? We've JCH, Barrett and until they leave Nichols, Reilly & Adeboyejo plus Smith when he's fit, I'd have thought right back is more of an issue plus midfield if Ogogo is out for any length of time and we've also no real back up goalie. In my mind I’ve written off Nichols , Reilly & Victor. Smith is injured and the new bloke is a novice. So yes we do need a striker in my opinion of course
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 20:23:18 GMT
Agreed we desperately need a new striker but the rest of the OP is a bit OTT Do we desperately need a new striker? We've JCH, Barrett and until they leave Nichols, Reilly & Adeboyejo plus Smith when he's fit, I'd have thought right back is more of an issue plus midfield if Ogogo is out for any length of time and we've also no real back up goalie. JCH is the only one I feel confident with. Barrett is an attacking midfielder not a striker. Hopefully we can move on Nichols and Reilly, send Adeboyejo back and bring in a striker or two.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 10, 2020 20:27:41 GMT
Wow Steve that goes beyond dramatic ... Also Wael more than backed Clarke in the market despite warnings from his wallet protecting big brother and look what we got ... Nichols, Bennett, Mensah ,all draining the coffers and adding bugger all. None of whom we can now get rid of. Throw in the others who we wasted money on Smith,Slocombe are just the first that come to mind. Why would the family spend even more now ... the DC era sadly will always be slightly tarnished by the last season , his arrogant behaviour and money wasted on tripe. Now you shout for more .. If you won the lottery tonight how much would you be prepared to set fire to ... throw away, waste ? Some, All or none ? How would you feel when people kept screeching for more ? We are lucky that any money is being released for new players especially as no one has left yet. I would argue that clarke was forced to sell 3 goalscorers by wael and given a small portion of that money to replace them. I know thats how it works in football but 3 very good forwards in a short space of time was asking for trouble. Dont agree with the OP but he is probably frustrated that a promotion place has been thrown in the bin for the sake of an elaborate experiment. DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 20:31:15 GMT
Do we desperately need a new striker? We've JCH, Barrett and until they leave Nichols, Reilly & Adeboyejo plus Smith when he's fit, I'd have thought right back is more of an issue plus midfield if Ogogo is out for any length of time and we've also no real back up goalie. JCH is the only one I feel confident with. Barrett is an attacking midfielder not a striker. Hopefully we can move on Nichols and Reilly, send Adeboyejo back and bring in a striker or two. It looks like BG plans on playing Barrett in the deep No 10 roles as he played in that role on Wednesday having tried Nichols and Bennett in a similar role on Sunday, unless he decides to play two up front he might not feel there's any need to replace Nichols and Reilly. Although until players leave he won't be able to sign there replacement.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 20:37:34 GMT
I would argue that clarke was forced to sell 3 goalscorers by wael and given a small portion of that money to replace them. I know thats how it works in football but 3 very good forwards in a short space of time was asking for trouble. Dont agree with the OP but he is probably frustrated that a promotion place has been thrown in the bin for the sake of an elaborate experiment. DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. What's DC got to do with the fact we've only a semi fit JCH as a striker in tomorrow's squad?
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 10, 2020 20:53:58 GMT
DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. What's DC got to do with the fact we've only a semi fit JCH as a striker in tomorrow's squad? We’ve got Victor, Nichols, Reilly, Phillips Just none are good enough/ready Without JCH we are woefully short up top
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 21:02:15 GMT
I would argue that clarke was forced to sell 3 goalscorers by wael and given a small portion of that money to replace them. I know thats how it works in football but 3 very good forwards in a short space of time was asking for trouble. Dont agree with the OP but he is probably frustrated that a promotion place has been thrown in the bin for the sake of an elaborate experiment. DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. I think he could have kept all 3 if all waels fancy promises were not just a fantasy because we would have been playing preston,city and ipswich. Im not saying wael means ill for the club but he spouted lots of utter rubbish which fooled DC and most of the fanbase. Dc recruitment for the conference season and his retained list was among the best i have ever seen at rovers but he made bad mistakes near the end of his time i agree.
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Post by 1986gashead on Jan 10, 2020 21:02:52 GMT
We’ve got 5 strikers, only 1 of them are worth having and he’s the one most likely leave lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 21:07:50 GMT
If BG wants to play 4 at the back then the shopping list increases somewhat. We would need a CH and move Craig on as he can’t play in a pair. A LB a RB and the strikers your after. It’s clear the next moves will involve Bennett and Nichols moving on so expect no activity until the last week of the window. Craig played in a pair to great effect last season. You dont only concede 50 goals all season if one of your centre-backs are not good enough. We have 2 left backs leahy and holmes-dennis.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 10, 2020 21:46:02 GMT
DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. What's DC got to do with the fact we've only a semi fit JCH as a striker in tomorrow's squad? Because se are still lumbered with his rubbish not good enough to be in the matchday squad
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 10, 2020 21:47:56 GMT
I would argue that clarke was forced to sell 3 goalscorers by wael and given a small portion of that money to replace them. I know thats how it works in football but 3 very good forwards in a short space of time was asking for trouble. Dont agree with the OP but he is probably frustrated that a promotion place has been thrown in the bin for the sake of an elaborate experiment. DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. Change the record mate for god sake.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2020 21:49:25 GMT
Sheff Utd are (were!) about to go 5th in the Premiership playing with 5 at the back, if it's good enough for the Premiership then why does BG have to change it when it clearly suits us this season?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 22:11:42 GMT
I would argue that clarke was forced to sell 3 goalscorers by wael and given a small portion of that money to replace them. I know thats how it works in football but 3 very good forwards in a short space of time was asking for trouble. Dont agree with the OP but he is probably frustrated that a promotion place has been thrown in the bin for the sake of an elaborate experiment. DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. He wasn't forced to sell anyone? So, he chose to sell Taylor, Harrison, Bodin and Brown did he? Sorry, you are just distorting facts to suit your narrative there. Granted the signings that didn't work, such as Bennett, have hamstrung Coughlan and now Garner by using up budget that they would rather use on their own choice of player. But that's almost always the case when a new manager comes in. They have to work with the previous manager's players. Plenty of those such as Craig, Rodman, Sercombe, Clarke, Upson and Kilgour have formed the backbone of the squads that GC used to good effect this season, so it goes both ways. DC was always given something to reinvest, you're right. And as a manager of a lower league club that loses money, it is right that he didn't get to spend anywhere near the amount he made. We're not Chelsea. But, there's also a good chance that if you sell a player worth say, £1m, and replace him with one for £150k, the incoming player won't be as good. Not always, but after a while, that is inevitable. Have you ever sold a car for £10k and expected to replace it with one as good for £1k? This constant doing down of one of our greatest ever managers, and certainly the most important one; the manager who was more responsible that any other person for rescuing the club we all love from oblivion, is downright ungrateful and quite frankly, pathetic.
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2020 22:11:45 GMT
JCH is the only one I feel confident with. Barrett is an attacking midfielder not a striker. Hopefully we can move on Nichols and Reilly, send Adeboyejo back and bring in a striker or two. It looks like BG plans on playing Barrett in the deep No 10 roles as he played in that role on Wednesday having tried Nichols and Bennett in a similar role on Sunday, unless he decides to play two up front he might not feel there's any need to replace Nichols and Reilly. Although until players leave he won't be able to sign there replacement. We need another striker as competition for JCH or to lighten his workload and just in case he gets injured again. Would also give us the option to mix things up and go with two up top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 22:20:48 GMT
It looks like BG plans on playing Barrett in the deep No 10 roles as he played in that role on Wednesday having tried Nichols and Bennett in a similar role on Sunday, unless he decides to play two up front he might not feel there's any need to replace Nichols and Reilly. Although until players leave he won't be able to sign there replacement. We need another striker as competition for JCH or to lighten his workload and just in case he gets injured again. Would also give us the option to mix things up and go with two up top. Absolutely. Even if his intention is to play just one striker in games for the rest of the season (unlikely IMO), to have only an excellent but injury prone one in JCH and two on loan youngsters would be madness. We need at least one striker this month.
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