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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 0:14:56 GMT
COME ON WHALE WHYD U INJURE ALL OUR PLAYER🤬🤬
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 11, 2020 9:03:30 GMT
DC was convinced that his players would be loyal to him come what may. He didn’t bank on Bristol City coming in for Snakey and he didn’t bank on Snakey actually going to City. Rookie error. With the lateness of the deal and no time to act he couldn’t replace him. In 2018 He assumed BB would stay to the seasons end. He didn’t. DC wasted most of the budget given back to him on Kyle Bennett. DC also assumed that Harrison would be loyal despite what he learned with snakey and BB and that an opportunity to play in the championship would be passed up to stay with us. Wrong again. DC wasted his budget on Stefan Payne (£150k in fee too) after chasing 2 others that turned us down and Gavin Reilly who hasn’t even lit up league 2. Let’s not forget that DC also brought in Upson, Rodman and Matthews on FT but a significant budget increase to the squad no doubt. This loyalty thing that DC banded about so much during his first 2 seasons evaporated once we hit L1 where players are less grateful to have a contract where the temptings from bigger clubs will always turn their heads. He wasn’t forced to sell anyone and he was always given something in which to reinvest. Unfortunately it wasn’t invested wisely. He wasn't forced to sell anyone? So, he chose to sell Taylor, Harrison, Bodin and Brown did he? Sorry, you are just distorting facts to suit your narrative there. Granted the signings that didn't work, such as Bennett, have hamstrung Coughlan and now Garner by using up budget that they would rather use on their own choice of player. But that's almost always the case when a new manager comes in. They have to work with the previous manager's players. Plenty of those such as Craig, Rodman, Sercombe, Clarke, Upson and Kilgour have formed the backbone of the squads that GC used to good effect this season, so it goes both ways. DC was always given something to reinvest, you're right. And as a manager of a lower league club that loses money, it is right that he didn't get to spend anywhere near the amount he made. We're not Chelsea. But, there's also a good chance that if you sell a player worth say, £1m, and replace him with one for £150k, the incoming player won't be as good. Not always, but after a while, that is inevitable. Have you ever sold a car for £10k and expected to replace it with one as good for £1k? This constant doing down of one of our greatest ever managers, and certainly the most important one; the manager who was more responsible that any other person for rescuing the club we all love from oblivion, is downright ungrateful and quite frankly, pathetic. I’m not doing down DC or his achievements but let’s have some level perspective. For the record, I was a DC fan as much as everyone else at the helm and was gutted with his departure. He assembled an excellent squad in the conference under extreme pressure of getting us promoted and he achieved it. L2 was a fantastic achievement but we had players capable of stepping up and momentum. But it all fell apart once he had money to spend and had to deal with players which relied more on ability than determination. The same man management didn’t seem to work on them as it did with players from the leagues below. Also, there is a massive difference between the owners telling DC they were going to sell his best assets and the players/agents deciding to move themselves. I guess you could say that he’s in a forced position either way but you are speaking about from an owner perspective forcing circumstances on a manager. That clearly didn’t happen and any prospective offer the club receives they have to inform the player/manager anyway. We will always be a selling club so recruitment is highly important for us. Sometimes it’s better not to buy than panic buy and have a whole load of fees and wages wasted on talentless wonders. This happened time and again over 12 months. We panicked into buying Bennett and Payne on large contracts and have paid the price both last and this season. As you use the car analogy, I know 90% of the time if a car is a lemon or not. You may catch a cold with 1 in 20. But the service history, your own experience and diligence tells tells you whether it will be good or not and if you smell a rat you don’t go paying over book for it. Risk vs reward is too great. But it seems DC caught a cold with about 6 players in 12 months, one of them bought from his mate Kenny Jackett!! Everything was wrong with the Payne deal from the start. I know DC didn’t have an extensive scouting network but his trade is football and if fans on here can have a good black book of players I’m sure a professional manager with 10x the contacts will have a better chance of pulling in and finding players.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 11, 2020 11:57:10 GMT
Be fascinating to see who he starts with up top today!
Could he be playing mind games with Nichols?
Play him today, tell him if he doesn’t start performing it will be Mansfield soon..... enough to get anyone going!
If JCH is out we really are struggling. Big Victor is not good enough to lead the line.
I fear a defeat today and the morale could start to slide. Let’s hope whoever starts gets at them from the off.
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Post by pirate49 on Jan 11, 2020 12:00:57 GMT
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Post by mftc on Jan 11, 2020 12:12:15 GMT
Do we have a sell on clause for Taylor?
Would imagine Oxford and others would be keen to sign him. As we had to sell him for an extremely low price, even £250,000 would see a profit.
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Post by Congas on Jan 11, 2020 12:17:59 GMT
That Barrett looks like a proper footballer at last, not one "who will come good one day" because "there's a footballer in there somewhere". He can turn on a sixpence, lose his marker, lay it off in all directions - even long if needed - and slip it through the channels without falling over his own feet. I wonder what Wael paid for him?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 12:19:50 GMT
Do we have a sell on clause for Taylor? Would imagine Oxford and others would be keen to sign him. As we had to sell him for an extremely low price, even £250,000 would see a profit. Doubt it, and £250,000 would see them lose £50,000 on him wouldn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 12:33:03 GMT
Be fascinating to see who he starts with up top today! Could he be playing mind games with Nichols? Play him today, tell him if he doesn’t start performing it will be Mansfield soon..... enough to get anyone going! If JCH is out we really are struggling. Big Victor is not good enough to lead the line. I fear a defeat today and the morale could start to slide. Let’s hope whoever starts gets at them from the off. I think JCH will start up top with the two newbies supporting from wide/behind.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2020 12:46:34 GMT
We need another striker as competition for JCH or to lighten his workload and just in case he gets injured again. Would also give us the option to mix things up and go with two up top. Absolutely. Even if his intention is to play just one striker in games for the rest of the season (unlikely IMO), to have only an excellent but injury prone one in JCH and two on loan youngsters would be madness. We need at least one striker this month. We're only into the first week of the window, not the last few days, it's hardly panic stations just yet. Regardless whatever happens in G1981 view it'll be all DC's fault.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 11, 2020 13:30:28 GMT
In a 4-4-3?
Rodman at right back?
Personally I’d stick to 3-5-2 with Barrett just off JCH as we look more comfortable with this system.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jan 11, 2020 13:38:56 GMT
With Nichols having been told he is not in BGs plans and Gavin Reillys exclusion from Wednesdays game signalling that he to wont play for us again and Tyler Smith still a few weeks off fitness at least means we are left with JCH and Adejoko or having to play with one up front.Its pretty well the same in midfield with Ogogo and Ollie Clarke injured,Upson possibly suspended we are left with Sercombe and a load of youngsters. We also have no fit right back whatsoever. Wael what is happening?? This is a bloody shambles and you remain quiet and we are a club with no lead whatsoever from the top. The downward rend will co9ntinue until there are massive changes. Greta wouldn't leave a sinking ship, not in the mid Atlantic anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:57 GMT
He wasn't forced to sell anyone? So, he chose to sell Taylor, Harrison, Bodin and Brown did he? Sorry, you are just distorting facts to suit your narrative there. Granted the signings that didn't work, such as Bennett, have hamstrung Coughlan and now Garner by using up budget that they would rather use on their own choice of player. But that's almost always the case when a new manager comes in. They have to work with the previous manager's players. Plenty of those such as Craig, Rodman, Sercombe, Clarke, Upson and Kilgour have formed the backbone of the squads that GC used to good effect this season, so it goes both ways. DC was always given something to reinvest, you're right. And as a manager of a lower league club that loses money, it is right that he didn't get to spend anywhere near the amount he made. We're not Chelsea. But, there's also a good chance that if you sell a player worth say, £1m, and replace him with one for £150k, the incoming player won't be as good. Not always, but after a while, that is inevitable. Have you ever sold a car for £10k and expected to replace it with one as good for £1k? This constant doing down of one of our greatest ever managers, and certainly the most important one; the manager who was more responsible that any other person for rescuing the club we all love from oblivion, is downright ungrateful and quite frankly, pathetic. I’m not doing down DC or his achievements but let’s have some level perspective. For the record, I was a DC fan as much as everyone else at the helm and was gutted with his departure. He assembled an excellent squad in the conference under extreme pressure of getting us promoted and he achieved it. L2 was a fantastic achievement but we had players capable of stepping up and momentum. But it all fell apart once he had money to spend and had to deal with players which relied more on ability than determination. The same man management didn’t seem to work on them as it did with players from the leagues below. Also, there is a massive difference between the owners telling DC they were going to sell his best assets and the players/agents deciding to move themselves. I guess you could say that he’s in a forced position either way but you are speaking about from an owner perspective forcing circumstances on a manager. That clearly didn’t happen and any prospective offer the club receives they have to inform the player/manager anyway. We will always be a selling club so recruitment is highly important for us. Sometimes it’s better not to buy than panic buy and have a whole load of fees and wages wasted on talentless wonders. This happened time and again over 12 months. We panicked into buying Bennett and Payne on large contracts and have paid the price both last and this season. As you use the car analogy, I know 90% of the time if a car is a lemon or not. You may catch a cold with 1 in 20. But the service history, your own experience and diligence tells tells you whether it will be good or not and if you smell a rat you don’t go paying over book for it. Risk vs reward is too great. But it seems DC caught a cold with about 6 players in 12 months, one of them bought from his mate Kenny Jackett!! Everything was wrong with the Payne deal from the start. I know DC didn’t have an extensive scouting network but his trade is football and if fans on here can have a good black book of players I’m sure a professional manager with 10x the contacts will have a better chance of pulling in and finding players. Some very good arguments here. I still think the car analogy stands though, as DC had to sign a striker. Not buying one wasn't an option, but I agree, Payne was a disastrous signing and one that I believe ultimately cost DC his job. I also think he was effectively forced to sell those players, but do take your point.
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Post by buckaroo on Jan 11, 2020 23:06:30 GMT
Greta wouldn't leave a sinking ship, not in the mid Atlantic anyway.
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Post by pirate on Jan 12, 2020 9:08:36 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 12, 2020 9:13:36 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. I agree, Barrett looks a good 1/2 stone overweight
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2020 9:46:11 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. Perhaps he did and Wael said you've only enough money to buy a, b or c? I assume TW must still be having some say on who we sign so it's not now all down to BG, all through he did suggest he'd been watching Barrett for 18 months, which is a bit disconcerting!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 12, 2020 10:07:05 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. I'll get shot down for this but it makes you wonder how we got them so early on in the window. Is the truth that nobody else wanted them? Tin hat on.
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Post by gaelgas on Jan 12, 2020 10:44:14 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. Surely we can get him up to fitness and then he really will be a player, it's a lot easier to lose a bit of weight than find some talent from nowhere.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 12, 2020 10:50:23 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. I'll get shot down for this but it makes you wonder how we got them so early on in the window. Is the truth that nobody else wanted them? Tin hat on. I doubt there was a queue for Mitchell-Lewis, as far as Barrett perhaps we were the only club prepared to pay a small fee? Not really sure either fits the bill on what we needed, a goal scorer and a right back, nor a a creative CM, Barrett looks more a wide player in the Reading U23 videos, when he was a bit lighter!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:58:22 GMT
The trouble with this is, one signing doesn't look fit enough and overweight and the other one was a benchwarmer only introduced in the 89th minute. Garner not doing himself any favours with this either for when he next goes to Wael saying I need x, y or z. I agree, Barrett looks a good 1/2 stone overweight Wael certainly got what he asked for when he said “Sign me someone young and hungry!”
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