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Post by richard on Jan 16, 2020 19:15:18 GMT
We still don’t really know what Ben Garner’s football principles are, what formation he prefers and what he is aiming for.
We have focussed on attacking players so far this window and have signed two wingers and an attacking central midfielder.
My concern however is that we arguably have no full backs at all and therefore the signings don’t make a lot of sense. I’m arguing that Leahy is not a left back, he’s an ok wing back but I’ve never seen anything to suggest he’s not an awful left back. Holmes-Dennis for all his quality is basically a waste of space as you’ll be lucky to get 10 full games a season out of him, the same seems to be true of Mark Little.
Therefore I’m confused as to what we are aiming for and how Garner wants to play.
I’m interested as to what others view as the destination of the current transfer business.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 16, 2020 19:26:13 GMT
I agree that our full back situation although on paper looks very good for league one is in fact a major concern as the two previously mentioned are rarely fit so we need cover in that department for sure! But the 3 lads brought in are of a high standard I believe and we've been crying out for wingers and an attacking player through the middle so its obvious his intention is to play more offensive but I'm still worried we wont add enough quality in the strikers position come the end of January and we also could do with a keeper now as well so theres so much more to do during the next two weeks and I just hope all works out well for us!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 19:42:05 GMT
I agree that our full back situation although on paper looks very good for league one is in fact a major concern as the two previously mentioned are rarely fit so we need cover in that department for sure! But the 3 lads brought in are of a high standard I believe and we've been crying out for wingers and an attacking player through the middle so its obvious his intention is to play more offensive but I'm still worried we wont add enough quality in the strikers position come the end of January and we also could do with a keeper now as well so theres so much more to do during the next two weeks and I just hope all works out well for us! Not arguing against it but, what makes you believe the 3 new signings are of a high standard?
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 16, 2020 19:50:06 GMT
I think we needed decent wingers to take the pressure off the fullbacks so that helped the situation. I think at the end of the season garner will have a good clear out and re shuffle his squad to what he wants with more young talent and more loan players for next season. A lot depends on getting rid of Bennett as he’s still in contract next year and wether we sell Clarke Harris, I feel he needs to go unfortunately as it’s so obvious with his recent body language he’s done with us and feels he’s wasting his time in league 1 and wants a pay out and personally I would sell him as his form has fallen off and price can easily drop, I know it’s because of playing on his own up top but he hasn’t got that hunger and right attitude like he did when he first came here, you could see him literally dragging us through games and bullying the ball into the net. Suddenly he wants all free kicks which always hits the their wall when sercs or upson can hit a free kick with more accuracy.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 16, 2020 20:47:39 GMT
I agree that our full back situation although on paper looks very good for league one is in fact a major concern as the two previously mentioned are rarely fit so we need cover in that department for sure! But the 3 lads brought in are of a high standard I believe and we've been crying out for wingers and an attacking player through the middle so its obvious his intention is to play more offensive but I'm still worried we wont add enough quality in the strikers position come the end of January and we also could do with a keeper now as well so theres so much more to do during the next two weeks and I just hope all works out well for us! Not arguing against it but, what makes you believe the 3 new signings are of a high standard? their of the opinion from their recent club coaches and fan base that I've read and yes we dont know how well they will do but when was the last time we signed 3 young attacking midfielders from the championship in a matter of weeks? Derby fans rate the lad as a bench warmer that deserves a start whilst Reading fans think it's a joke hes been allowed to leave so that's the reason I believe they are of high standard. You seem to disagree?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 20:55:59 GMT
Not arguing against it but, what makes you believe the 3 new signings are of a high standard? their of the opinion from their recent club coaches and fan base that I've read and yes we dont know how well they will do but when was the last time we signed 3 young attacking midfielders from the championship in a matter of weeks? Derby fans rate the lad as a bench warmer that deserves a start whilst Reading fans think it's a joke hes been allowed to leave so that's the reason I believe they are of high standard. You seem to disagree? No, I don't disagree. They haven't been with us long enough to make a judgment. For balance, I did see a poll about Barrett by Reading on twitter and they were about 60/40 in agreement of him being let go, also a couple of their fans said he was overweight. Also signing 3 championship players (2 on loan) in a matter of weeks does not make them good signings (nor does it make them bad). We'll have to wait and see. In a month or so's time, we should be able to make a better judgement.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2020 21:15:44 GMT
We've signed 3 young players and we all know they can blow hot and cold from game to game, look at the 3 Chelsea lads and Smith & Adeboyejo, I can see the core of the team will still be the usual regulars.
I also can't work out what BG's ideal line would be, hopefully not the recent 5-2-2-1, but if he now moves to 4-4-2 with two wide men then are any of our defenders, apart from Davies up to playing in a back four? Plus if we go 4-4-2 who's the ACM, Ogogo, Clark and Upson aren't and Sercs has never impressed in a midfield pairing? Why didn't BG just try and improve GC's 5-3-2 formation and then make bigger changes in the summer when he can clear out half the squad not just a handful of players?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 21:22:29 GMT
We've signed 3 young players and we all know they can blow hot and cold from game to game, look at the 3 Chelsea lads and Smith & Adeboyejo, I can see the core of the team will still be the usual regulars. I also can't work out what BG's ideal line would be, hopefully not the recent 5-2-2-1, but if he now moves to 4-4-2 with two wide men then are any of our defenders, apart from Davies up to playing in a back four? Plus if we go 4-4-2 who's the ACM, Ogogo, Clark and Upson aren't and Sercs has never impressed in a midfield pairing? Why didn't BG just try and improve GC's 5-3-2 formation and then make bigger changes in the summer when he can clear out half the squad not just a handful of players? 4-2-3-1 will be his favoured formation I think, based on the players we've signed since his arrival, lack of strikers and the match vs Stevenage.
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Post by eastgas on Jan 16, 2020 21:56:37 GMT
We've signed 3 young players and we all know they can blow hot and cold from game to game, look at the 3 Chelsea lads and Smith & Adeboyejo, I can see the core of the team will still be the usual regulars. I also can't work out what BG's ideal line would be, hopefully not the recent 5-2-2-1, but if he now moves to 4-4-2 with two wide men then are any of our defenders, apart from Davies up to playing in a back four? Plus if we go 4-4-2 who's the ACM, Ogogo, Clark and Upson aren't and Sercs has never impressed in a midfield pairing? Why didn't BG just try and improve GC's 5-3-2 formation and then make bigger changes in the summer when he can clear out half the squad not just a handful of players? 4-2-3-1 will be his favoured formation I think, based on the players we've signed since his arrival, lack of strikers and the match vs Stevenage. Agree with you on this I think he will look to play 4231, it’s a formation I like personally but I’m not sure we have the players at the back to play this effectively at present. Hopefully a thread where we can have a talk about football for a change without it descending into the nonsense and arguing on most other threads in here
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 21:57:45 GMT
Really hope we get a right back this window, would just give us so many more options
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 22:16:01 GMT
4-2-3-1 will be his favoured formation I think, based on the players we've signed since his arrival, lack of strikers and the match vs Stevenage. Agree with you on this I think he will look to play 4231, it’s a formation I like personally but I’m not sure we have the players at the back to play this effectively at present. Hopefully a thread where we can have a talk about football for a change without it descending into the nonsense and arguing on most other threads in here No, I agree with you there. How the defence pans out will be interesting.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 22:18:33 GMT
Really hope we get a right back this window, would just give us so many more options Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 22:21:51 GMT
Really hope we get a right back this window, would just give us so many more options Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol! If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 16, 2020 22:26:19 GMT
Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol! If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back He’s making the bench so can’t be far away.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 22:30:26 GMT
Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol! If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back True, he's too slow. Shame as I do like Craig. Kilgour and Davies as a first choice CB pairing?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2020 22:53:04 GMT
Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol! If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back But is Kilgore good enough to partner Davies in a back 4? The new winger talks about having a good partnership with Leahy at Walsall so I assume Leahy played in a 4-4-2 for them? Although we all know what Walsall fans thought of Leahy!
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Post by axegas on Jan 16, 2020 23:01:43 GMT
If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back True, he's too slow. Shame as I do like Craig. Kilgour and Davies as a first choice CB pairing? Kilgour and Davies as a CB partnership is the way forward IMO. Having Craig in there and playing a back three is probably wiser for the time being though on account of us having no fit, natural right back.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2020 23:07:14 GMT
If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back But is Kilgore good enough to partner Davies in a back 4? The new winger talks about having a good partnership with Leahy at Walsall so I assume Leahy played in a 4-4-2 for them? Although we all know what Walsall fans thought of Leahy! "Is Kilgour good enough"? - I would suggest he has answered that question quite emphatically already this season. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 0:36:41 GMT
Talking about right backs, I see Leadbitter is injured at Newport. I swear the bloke is made out of glass lol! If we get one and switch to a 4 at the back we need Davies to be fit, Craig can’t play in a 2 at the back Yes he can,he did it all last season and we will concede more goals this season.
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Post by thegasman on Jan 17, 2020 11:17:21 GMT
We've signed 3 young players and we all know they can blow hot and cold from game to game, look at the 3 Chelsea lads and Smith & Adeboyejo, I can see the core of the team will still be the usual regulars. I also can't work out what BG's ideal line would be, hopefully not the recent 5-2-2-1, but if he now moves to 4-4-2 with two wide men then are any of our defenders, apart from Davies up to playing in a back four? Plus if we go 4-4-2 who's the ACM, Ogogo, Clark and Upson aren't and Sercs has never impressed in a midfield pairing? Why didn't BG just try and improve GC's 5-3-2 formation and then make bigger changes in the summer when he can clear out half the squad not just a handful of players? It will eventually be 4-3-3 so the playing staff have been told
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