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Post by endicotton on Jan 29, 2020 9:05:52 GMT
How long has Garner got? Since he arrived our record has been shocking: P10 W0 D4 L6 F4 A17 19/20 prior to his appointment: P30 W15 D9 L6 F42 A32 The next two games - Coventry and Wycombe - look like two more losses to me. I really hope I'm wrong and he turns it around, no doubt this thread will be flagged if he does, but I can't see him being here by the end of March, we have some really tough fixtures then. I'm sure some people won't appreciate this post but I genuinely wonder what we think, do you still believe in his appointment or do we think it's doomed? Tbh I think the board and owners see this season as a write off. We aren't making the play offs but we also aren't really in too much danger of being in a relegation scrap, so unless all the teams below us start going on fantastic runs and we do actually end up in 1 I think BG's job is safe until the end of the season.
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Post by rusho'gas on Jan 29, 2020 9:08:48 GMT
What a shocking poll. Actually quite ashamed to be Gas.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 29, 2020 9:18:16 GMT
I'm glad to see there are a lot more positive people on here than me in wanting Ben to be given all season + summer etc. I just hope that if it doesn't work out, those same people don't come on here slating our ownership for not getting rid earlier as 'the signs were there'. Hindsight is always a wonderful thing but you cant have it both ways That's not really true. The moaners have it every way all the time. You can just moan with impunity, and if you are proved wrong (and what even constitutes proof in football) you just move on to the next moan. This is evidenced by people moaning about us not signing any strikers last January, and then moaning that we signed JCH, and then moaning that we were gonna sell him so cheaply, and then moaning that we haven't sold him.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 29, 2020 9:26:10 GMT
I'm glad to see there are a lot more positive people on here than me in wanting Ben to be given all season + summer etc. I just hope that if it doesn't work out, those same people don't come on here slating our ownership for not getting rid earlier as 'the signs were there'. Hindsight is always a wonderful thing but you cant have it both ways That's not really true. The moaners have it every way all the time. You can just moan with impunity, and if you are proved wrong (and what even constitutes proof in football) you just move on to the next moan. This is evidenced by people moaning about us not signing any strikers last January, and then moaning that we signed JCH, and then moaning that we were gonna sell him so cheaply, and then moaning that we hadn't sold him. So it's a bit rich to criticise those who support BG for their potential hypocrisy before anything has really happened. In any case what's so bad about backing your team/manager/whatever, just for the sake of it? Which part of it is untrue exactly? Just because people do it, doesn't make it right. That's a very dangerous precedent to set. I'm not sure you've fully understood my point, I have no problem coming out and supporting Ben - just because I'm not on the same boat doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't be. But I don't want those people who would say "give Ben until September", but if he's fired in September the same people say "Wael out, he should have got rid of Ben in February". If people can admit, "Yeah I thought to give him some more time, but clearly that was wrong" then fair play. Personally I wasn't overly impressed by the signing of JCH & Ogogo, but boy was I proved wrong! And I'm happy to admit it. Likewise I wasn't too happy with GC being appointed, but I even created a thread at the end of last season to say how I hold my hands up, it was the right call to fire DC and fair play to the board. I've never said there's anything wrong with backing the team, so please don't suggest I have. Edt: I see you conveniently edited that last part out of your post..
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 29, 2020 9:27:31 GMT
I've never said there's anything wrong with backing the team, so please don't suggest I have. I see you conveniently edited that last part out of your post.. Yeah, apologies. I re-read your post, and that's why I deleted my last paragraph.
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Post by pirate49 on Jan 29, 2020 9:39:48 GMT
Depends if the new owners have their own ideas!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 9:50:37 GMT
Im a bit sceptical about the nathan jones approach and i am not implying wael was "lining up garner" just some information is missing,not sure what it is. We definitely approached Nathan Jones and had a meeting with him but he turned us down because he believes he can still get a job at Championship level. Not saying you are wrong...but why turn up for the a meeting at all if that was his attitude- he could tell us that by email.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 29, 2020 9:51:22 GMT
Giving someone clearly out of their depth beyond the summer is madness. I think we need to remember where we’ve come from - highest sustained position in a generation. Now looking like we’re fighting relegation.
If we’re still where we are mid March he should go so we can have a summer with a new manager who gets a window to prepare his squad otherwise we’ll be fighting relegation come January.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 29, 2020 9:54:05 GMT
By now surely most know the ambition of the club and more so the owners, and to that end at least this season whilst we are not near the drop BG is safe.
He will be here next season, hopefully over the summer, he can work with the players and get them playing with some confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 9:54:29 GMT
GC's success has essentially given us the luxury of half a season to bed in a new manager. It would be mad not to take that opportunity. It’s amazing to think though that GC’s ‘legacy’ was to win enough games that the next guy through the door could afford to lose just as many and still keep his job. Garner owes GC a pint.
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Post by pirate on Jan 29, 2020 9:55:13 GMT
We definitely approached Nathan Jones and had a meeting with him but he turned us down because he believes he can still get a job at Championship level. Not saying you are wrong...but why turn up for the a meeting at all if that was his attitude- he could tell us that by email. Maybe he wanted a face to face meeting to gauge the ambition of the owner and see how serious he was about taking the club to the next level.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 29, 2020 9:58:30 GMT
Partially agree.
We are not fighting relegation. We will not go down because of the buffer that GC can take credit for. I'm thankful for that.
However if this pitiful point accumulation continues to the end of the season it is time to seriously review the situation. The summer break will be critical for player acquisition whoever is in charge. I personally hope that Garner will turn things around but I'm not adverse to saying goodbye if he is unable to start winning some games.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 29, 2020 10:00:10 GMT
I think he will be given until at least the middle of september next season. Him and wael share the same dream of a team of young players being developed and playing neat on the deck football. Like many of us supporters wael would not have enjoyed the brutal but effective coughlan style,in fact its easy to visualise wael and garner waxing lyrical about their plans which of course in time will include a cat 2 academy and state of the art training facilty. Some posters on here are backing that vision and i really hope they are right but i just honestly believe it will end in tears. Despite that we do have some very good players at the club so who knows? Yes, agree. Hard to say as I haven’t seen the last two matches but we’ve got a draw each time after he’s probably had 4/5 consecutive days training with the squad for the first time since his appointment. Perhaps he’s getting the ideas across and the attacking stats last night appear much better, albeit against a poor side. I’m grasping at straws I know but the performances have improved. Last match I saw was the Coventry draw in the cup and we should have won that so I’m not as pessimistic as others about Saturdays match. UTG!
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 29, 2020 10:51:31 GMT
I believe he will be here next season. However, not sure he will be a success. What do we mean by success? Promotion, top ten or staying out of trouble at the foot of the division? I think he has a tough start, and firstly I hope things are going to improve for him family wise. So I think he definitely deserves time to try & impose his way - as yet though I haven’t a clue as to what type of football he wants to play. You can play around with formations, but from what I have seen, the football has been no prettier than when GC was here. Lots of balls banged up to JCH with little or no support around him, a few passing movements, lots of head tennis in the middle of the park, Ginnelly looks lively, but at the moment he seems on a different wavelength to others, holds on to the ball too long (possibly due to lack of movement from others), his corners kicks are terrible. Last night was an improvement, you could see that by the number of shots. For me, it should have always been Revolution off the pitch & Evolution on the pitch. As Evolution doesn’t seem to be happening, we are now going for Revolution on the pitch, not sure that’s going to work, hope I’m wrong though.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Jan 29, 2020 10:58:45 GMT
Giving someone clearly out of their depth beyond the summer is madness. I think we need to remember where we’ve come from - highest sustained position in a generation. Now looking like we’re fighting relegation. If we’re still where we are mid March he should go so we can have a summer with a new manager who gets a window to prepare his squad otherwise we’ll be fighting relegation come January. Fighting relegation? My dear Lord.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 29, 2020 11:30:47 GMT
Ben Garner is a coach and his strengths therefore are presumably technical rather than man management. Coughlan’s strengths came across more about attitude and all for each other (man management) rather than technical.
Which attributes best serve us as a club right now?
If the season had started when Garner took over there would be plenty more people worrying about the appointment than seem to be now I think!
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Post by landrover on Jan 29, 2020 11:33:02 GMT
Giving someone clearly out of their depth beyond the summer is madness. I think we need to remember where we’ve come from - highest sustained position in a generation. Now looking like we’re fighting relegation. If we’re still where we are mid March he should go so we can have a summer with a new manager who gets a window to prepare his squad otherwise we’ll be fighting relegation come January. Fighting relegation? My dear Lord. We have to guard against complacency. Tranmere have two games in hand which might well drag them closer to the bunch. It’s possible we’ll be only 10 points clear with 54 ish points to play for. Ben Garner is just another PlayStation manager, great on theory but useless on the practicalities. His post match thoughts were full of if only’s. ‘I thought we should have been at least two up at half time and a third goal would have killed the game’. Not sure where to start with that pile of bulls**t. I hate know alls but Jesus wept, this was all so predictable. The lad is out of his depth and it’s so apparent.
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Post by landrover on Jan 29, 2020 11:35:26 GMT
Forgot to add, that neuro linguistics degree should come in handy any time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 11:44:39 GMT
Fighting relegation? My dear Lord. We have to guard against complacency. Tranmere have two games in hand which might well drag them closer to the bunch. It’s possible we’ll be only 10 points clear with 54 ish points to play for. Ben Garner is just another PlayStation manager, great on theory but useless on the practicalities. His post match thoughts were full of if only’s. ‘I thought we should have been at least two up at half time and a third goal would have killed the game’. Not sure where to start with that pile of bulls**t. I hate know alls but Jesus wept, this was all so predictable. The lad is out of his depth and it’s so apparent. He was really talking about hypothetical 3rd goals when we hadn’t even scored two? Even worse, after we only scored our first league goal of the year last night? Deary me, sounds like he is as away with the fairies as Wael. I guess we can only hope he is being bullish for the cameras whilst behind closed doors he is a lot more objective about the situation we find ourselves in. I agree it was predictable. On paper it looked the wrong man at the wrong time and it’s not much of a surprise that we have had a dip in form, but I don.’the think even I thought it would be this bad. Oh well, he’s here for a while I think so I can only cross my fingers we pick up a few more points to be comfortable.
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Post by gasmark2 on Jan 29, 2020 12:07:14 GMT
How many games without a win is acceptable, personally I think if he hasn't won by his fifthtenth game he should be sacked. Some seem to think he is going to get us playing like Barca and should be given more time, realistically he would of been sacked by any other club by now. Does anyone know of a manager with a worse start to a managerial career.
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