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Post by gasometer020590 on Jan 29, 2020 8:36:26 GMT
Those with sepia-tinted glasses will no doubt rally behind our hapless manager and argue for more time, but it must be clear to any objective thinker that Garner is way out of his depth and that he will soon be consigned to the long list of proficient coaches who didn't have the all-round abilities to carve out a successful managerial career. Football is littered with them, and some Rovers appointments in the past have fallen into this category. The same sadly with Garner. He cuts a less than impressive figure and if it is hard for fans to exude confidence in him, then how must the players feel? When he was appointed many fans hailed the decision as a brave one, but there is a very thin line between courage and risk and I would argue that selecting a novice and unproven manager, though no doubt a relatively cheap one, was a grave error on the part of our owners. Not the first of course. Garner is exactly the opposite of what Rovers need at this moment. We shouldn't be an experimental option for his design of total football or whatever he wants to call it; wrong place, wrong set of players, arguably wrong League. He has torn up what was working for us and failed to replace it with anything that remotely resembles success. The form hasn't just gone, it has evaporated. I am sure the owners will not want to admit error in Garner's appointment so we are stuck with him until next season when an awful start and declining attendances will finally seal his fate. In the meantime our club will drift aimlessly, hopefully with just enough points in the bag to avoid relegation. Hope I am proven wrong, but at the moment Garner as Rovers manager feels more like Martin Dobson with every passing day. For the record Dobson lasted 12 games at the helm. Clock ticking? Probably not with our disengaged owner.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 29, 2020 8:39:55 GMT
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Post by zulugas on Jan 29, 2020 8:44:19 GMT
Those with sepia-tinted glasses will no doubt rally behind our hapless manager and argue for more time, but it must be clear to any objective thinker that Garner is way out of his depth and that he will soon be consigned to the long list of proficient coaches who didn't have the all-round abilities to carve out a successful managerial career. Football is littered with them, and some Rovers appointments in the past have fallen into this category. The same sadly with Garner. He cuts a less than impressive figure and if it is hard for fans to exude confidence in him, then how must the players feel? When he was appointed many fans hailed the decision as a brave one, but there is a very thin line between courage and risk and I would argue that selecting a novice and unproven manager, though no doubt a relatively cheap one, was a grave error on the part of our owners. Not the first of course. Garner is exactly the opposite of what Rovers need at this moment. We shouldn't be an experimental option for his design of total football or whatever he wants to call it; wrong place, wrong set of players, arguably wrong League. He has torn up what was working for us and failed to replace it with anything that remotely resembles success. The form hasn't just gone, it has evaporated. I am sure the owners will not want to admit error in Garner's appointment so we are stuck with him until next season when an awful start and declining attendances will finally seal his fate. In the meantime our club will drift aimlessly, hopefully with just enough points in the bag to avoid relegation. Hope I am proven wrong, but at the moment Garner as Rovers manager feels more like Martin Dobson with every passing day. For the record Dobson lasted 12 games at the helm. Clock ticking? Probably not with our disengaged owner.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:45:46 GMT
Those with sepia-tinted glasses will no doubt rally behind our hapless manager and argue for more time, but it must be clear to any objective thinker that Garner is way out of his depth and that he will soon be consigned to the long list of proficient coaches who didn't have the all-round abilities to carve out a successful managerial career. Football is littered with them, and some Rovers appointments in the past have fallen into this category. The same sadly with Garner. He cuts a less than impressive figure and if it is hard for fans to exude confidence in him, then how must the players feel? When he was appointed many fans hailed the decision as a brave one, but there is a very thin line between courage and risk and I would argue that selecting a novice and unproven manager, though no doubt a relatively cheap one, was a grave error on the part of our owners. Not the first of course. Garner is exactly the opposite of what Rovers need at this moment. We shouldn't be an experimental option for his design of total football or whatever he wants to call it; wrong place, wrong set of players, arguably wrong League. He has torn up what was working for us and failed to replace it with anything that remotely resembles success. The form hasn't just gone, it has evaporated. I am sure the owners will not want to admit error in Garner's appointment so we are stuck with him until next season when an awful start and declining attendances will finally seal his fate. In the meantime our club will drift aimlessly, hopefully with just enough points in the bag to avoid relegation. Hope I am proven wrong, but at the moment Garner as Rovers manager feels more like Martin Dobson with every passing day. For the record Dobson lasted 12 games at the helm. Clock ticking? Probably not with our disengaged owner. "Mummy my dress is wet through ….. " |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 29, 2020 8:47:20 GMT
Those with sepia-tinted glasses will no doubt rally behind our hapless manager and argue for more time, but it must be clear to any objective thinker that Garner is way out of his depth and that he will soon be consigned to the long list of proficient coaches who didn't have the all-round abilities to carve out a successful managerial career. Football is littered with them, and some Rovers appointments in the past have fallen into this category. The same sadly with Garner. He cuts a less than impressive figure and if it is hard for fans to exude confidence in him, then how must the players feel? When he was appointed many fans hailed the decision as a brave one, but there is a very thin line between courage and risk and I would argue that selecting a novice and unproven manager, though no doubt a relatively cheap one, was a grave error on the part of our owners. Not the first of course. Garner is exactly the opposite of what Rovers need at this moment. We shouldn't be an experimental option for his design of total football or whatever he wants to call it; wrong place, wrong set of players, arguably wrong League. He has torn up what was working for us and failed to replace it with anything that remotely resembles success. The form hasn't just gone, it has evaporated. I am sure the owners will not want to admit error in Garner's appointment so we are stuck with him until next season when an awful start and declining attendances will finally seal his fate. In the meantime our club will drift aimlessly, hopefully with just enough points in the bag to avoid relegation. Hope I am proven wrong, but at the moment Garner as Rovers manager feels more like Martin Dobson with every passing day. For the record Dobson lasted 12 games at the helm. Clock ticking? Probably not with our disengaged owner. They must get up early south of the river these days |
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Post by Blackbeard on Jan 29, 2020 8:49:57 GMT
Bore off Ted
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Post by matealotblue on Jan 29, 2020 8:50:27 GMT
Obviously journey times from Reading have improved.....must be them Smart Motorways....🤪
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Post by Marshy on Jan 29, 2020 9:16:41 GMT
Is this your first draft ? Try using paragraphs for your next, then some might read it I don’t think there will be a next one? Well, let’s Dam hope not!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 9:49:31 GMT
Could the question possibly be, what is Bens surname?
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 29, 2020 9:51:27 GMT
To be fair to the OP it is a valid opinion. It is an opinion that I totally disagree with. Garner needs more time. He needs better players but the nucleus of a good team is there. The team I saw last night will keep us up. The attitude seems good and that is more than half the battle at this level. Even JCH (whom I had the temerity to question) seemed up for it. We could easily have won that match last night and with a little luck would have been 2 up at the break.
That's not rose tinted glasses either!
BTW spent the night with Bolton fans. They fully accept that they're going down. Their manager (Keith Hill) will be under incredible pressure to get the players in the summer and bring them straight back.
Incidentally, what a stadium! Opened in 1997. Over 20 years old. Makes me so embarrassed at our situation.
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Post by canberragas69 on Jan 29, 2020 10:21:20 GMT
The question is easy: who can put us in a position to challenge for promotion to the Championship next year, playing a better standard and a more attractive brand of football.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 29, 2020 10:23:42 GMT
The question is easy: who can put us in a position to challenge for promotion to the Championship next year, playing a better standard and a more attractive brand of football. Paul Daniels? Ooh wait a minute...... he’s brown bread! |
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Post by RD on Jan 29, 2020 10:52:59 GMT
Those with sepia-tinted glasses will no doubt rally behind our hapless manager and argue for more time, but it must be clear to any objective thinker that Garner is way out of his depth and that he will soon be consigned to the long list of proficient coaches who didn't have the all-round abilities to carve out a successful managerial career. Football is littered with them, and some Rovers appointments in the past have fallen into this category. The same sadly with Garner. He cuts a less than impressive figure and if it is hard for fans to exude confidence in him, then how must the players feel? When he was appointed many fans hailed the decision as a brave one, but there is a very thin line between courage and risk and I would argue that selecting a novice and unproven manager, though no doubt a relatively cheap one, was a grave error on the part of our owners. Not the first of course. Garner is exactly the opposite of what Rovers need at this moment. We shouldn't be an experimental option for his design of total football or whatever he wants to call it; wrong place, wrong set of players, arguably wrong League. He has torn up what was working for us and failed to replace it with anything that remotely resembles success. The form hasn't just gone, it has evaporated. I am sure the owners will not want to admit error in Garner's appointment so we are stuck with him until next season when an awful start and declining attendances will finally seal his fate. In the meantime our club will drift aimlessly, hopefully with just enough points in the bag to avoid relegation. Hope I am proven wrong, but at the moment Garner as Rovers manager feels more like Martin Dobson with every passing day. For the record Dobson lasted 12 games at the helm. Clock ticking? Probably not with our disengaged owner. Welcome to the forum and well thought out and reasoned first post IMO; perfectly entitled to your opinion! Ignore those calling you a 'ted because you don't tow the party line of backing our manager based on nothing other than blind faith. |
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Post by RD on Jan 29, 2020 10:54:28 GMT
P.S.
In reply to the forum title, I assume the question was:
"Who is the best man to turn this bunch of promotion chasing footballers in to one of the worst sides in the division in less than 8 weeks?"
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Post by lpgas on Jan 29, 2020 11:21:50 GMT
I wish Coughlin had stayed, and been given the same sort of support . Ah well they say you cannot have everything, our problem is we very rarely have anything
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Post by poorblue on Jan 29, 2020 11:37:58 GMT
To be fair to the OP it is a valid opinion. It is an opinion that I totally disagree with. Garner needs more time. He needs better players but the nucleus of a good team is there. The team I saw last night will keep us up. The attitude seems good and that is more than half the battle at this level. Even JCH (whom I had the temerity to question) seemed up for it. We could easily have won that match last night and with a little luck would have been 2 up at the break.That's not rose tinted glasses either! BTW spent the night with Bolton fans. They fully accept that they're going down. Their manager (Keith Hill) will be under incredible pressure to get the players in the summer and bring them straight back. Incidentally, what a stadium! Opened in 1997. Over 20 years old. Makes me so embarrassed at our situation. My response is not to whether it is a TED or not or to the original question but this reply only as highlighted above. In my opinion one of the best teams I have watched in games at the Mem this season was Bolton, they played Rovers off the park that day. We could easily have won that match last night and with a little luck would have been 2 up at the break. I didn't see the game nor hear it on the radio, however written reports suggest that is correct. However putting that into perspective Bolton are a team that will likely be relegated even if the points deduction had not been in place. We got a draw against a team that is low on moral and had many players out with injury and illness The team I saw last night will keep us up. I certainly hope so. Win or lose I will be there in support. I have watched the video highlights of the game and many have remarked on the beautiful stadium they have and how embarrassed they are in comparison with the Mem. I would point out how sad that the the stadium looked empty and how the commentary and sounds of the crowd echoed in the emptiness of it all. Part time fans staying away until the faithful turnup fans pay for the fickle fans staying away return. Support your team or lose it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 11:48:58 GMT
To be fair to the OP it is a valid opinion. It is an opinion that I totally disagree with. Garner needs more time. He needs better players but the nucleus of a good team is there. The team I saw last night will keep us up. The attitude seems good and that is more than half the battle at this level. Even JCH (whom I had the temerity to question) seemed up for it. We could easily have won that match last night and with a little luck would have been 2 up at the break. That's not rose tinted glasses either! BTW spent the night with Bolton fans. They fully accept that they're going down. Their manager (Keith Hill) will be under incredible pressure to get the players in the summer and bring them straight back. Incidentally, what a stadium! Opened in 1997. Over 20 years old. Makes me so embarrassed at our situation.Whilst I'm sure most of us recognise the need for new facilities to make the club sustainable and compete, would we really want to turn up to a soulless, empty all seater stadium every week? I didn't go yesterday but attended MK on NYD and found the stadium empty of any character, or many attendees for that matter. For all its many faults, the Mem is pretty compact and with terracing, offers a far better atmosphere IMO. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 29, 2020 12:13:44 GMT
Mods, please incorporate this into another of the manager bashing/conspiracy threads.
No wonder people can't be ars*d to watch games these days; all we seem to get is moan moan moan. UTG
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 29, 2020 12:18:53 GMT
To be fair to the OP it is a valid opinion. It is an opinion that I totally disagree with. Garner needs more time. He needs better players but the nucleus of a good team is there. The team I saw last night will keep us up. The attitude seems good and that is more than half the battle at this level. Even JCH (whom I had the temerity to question) seemed up for it. We could easily have won that match last night and with a little luck would have been 2 up at the break. That's not rose tinted glasses either! BTW spent the night with Bolton fans. They fully accept that they're going down. Their manager (Keith Hill) will be under incredible pressure to get the players in the summer and bring them straight back. Incidentally, what a stadium! Opened in 1997. Over 20 years old. Makes me so embarrassed at our situation.Whilst I'm sure most of us recognise the need for new facilities to make the club sustainable and compete, would we really want to turn up to a soulless, empty all seater stadium every week?I didn't go yesterday but attended MK on NYD and found the stadium empty of any character, or many attendees for that matter. For all its many faults, the Mem is pretty compact and with terracing, offers a far better atmosphere IMO.
As opposed to a ramshackled soulless stadium featuring a large collection of empty tents every other week?
They were getting over 25000 in the Premiership and that is with a number of big local rivals in the area. Brighton were getting 8k crowds less than 10 years ago. Either way its the only chance this club will ever progress.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 12:28:50 GMT
Whilst I'm sure most of us recognise the need for new facilities to make the club sustainable and compete, would we really want to turn up to a soulless, empty all seater stadium every week?I didn't go yesterday but attended MK on NYD and found the stadium empty of any character, or many attendees for that matter. For all its many faults, the Mem is pretty compact and with terracing, offers a far better atmosphere IMO.
As opposed to a ramshackled soulless stadium featuring a large collection of empty tents every other week?
They were getting over 25000 in the Premiership and that is with a number of big local rivals in the area. Brighton were getting 8k crowds less than 10 years ago. Either way its the only chance this club will ever progress.
It's not great on the eye, granted, but at least it's normally two thirds full and can generate an atmosphere. Give me terracing over sitting down every day of the week. Brighton's situation was quite unique so I'm not sure that's the best comparison. It's obvious though that moving to a template, all-seater stadium brings in a different type of supporter which could move the club forward in terms of numbers, and could offer additional non-match day income to make the club sustainable. I'm probably in the minority but I don't like the idea of us being part of the Premier League, but recognise we'd need a serious upgrade to compete in the Championship which at present time, is the best league in the country. |
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