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Post by markczgas on Jan 31, 2020 19:30:51 GMT
No we want a 6’10” Centre Forward and every time we get the ball we kick it really hard in his direction. Footballs a simple game Assuming you’re taking the p*ss but actually as a counter for monied clubs, which we are clearly not, then this is the way to succeed. Money brings with it a pedigree of player in the academy and in the first team. Garner is very much one of those managers/coach’s that are great on theory. Their idea is to out think the opposing manager tactically. It’s why Allardyce, Pulis and Warnock are always called upon when a club needs saving. Cut the crap and get it forward. This makes perfect sense to me, even more so at lower league level. I also love the fact there’s more passion involved. Has the game ever been more boring than it is now? Give me a Coughlan type all day long. I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills.
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Post by xenongas on Jan 31, 2020 20:07:59 GMT
I do enjoy a positive bunch of gasheads! Amazing what a few hours can do to the mood!
I know nothing about the new boys so I'm reserving judgement till I've seen them play a couple of games. Very interested to see who gets the nod tomorrow and how we set up.
I remain hopeful BG can put his plan together and be successful. Things are still changing on the pitch so I hope he still gets backing regardless of the result tomorrow. After his first week when there were calls for his head I said give him to February, I'll push that back a couple of weeks because of his family issues. Now he has some of his own players and will finally have some coaching time with the squad this is the first month that he can be properly judged. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2020 20:13:13 GMT
Me leave off if you remember half time Boxing Day we were second now we are in the bottom half of the league, only scored one goal this year not won since I don’t know when , crowds disappearing and you are happy with that, well I am not and the bloke needs to go now. It as a quick signing, which at first appeared to be a good thing . But now we realise it was just panic get the first bloke who was interested instead of waiting and getting the right bloke, if BG stays we will be lucky to stay up this season Full of negative boring sh** again, ffs we were in the top 4 for a couple of weeks as everyone else had a dip in form and now their much wealthier talented squads have picked up pace again FACT! It’s not as if we were in the top 2 all season then dipped? Your not a proper gashead as you wouldn’t be so ungrateful for the club to invest in the future with decent young talent that we could watch good exciting football and make a healthy profit off! Everyone saying GC left as he wasn’t being backed and the board have shown their backing their man. UTG The form table doesn't lie for the 46 games under GC we were in the top 3 in league 1, since BG took over we're probably bottom 3. BG has a massive job on his hands turning things around.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:42:47 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 20:50:22 GMT
Assuming you’re taking the p*ss but actually as a counter for monied clubs, which we are clearly not, then this is the way to succeed. Money brings with it a pedigree of player in the academy and in the first team. Garner is very much one of those managers/coach’s that are great on theory. Their idea is to out think the opposing manager tactically. It’s why Allardyce, Pulis and Warnock are always called upon when a club needs saving. Cut the crap and get it forward. This makes perfect sense to me, even more so at lower league level. I also love the fact there’s more passion involved. Has the game ever been more boring than it is now? Give me a Coughlan type all day long. I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills. No way we could have sustained it? Strange logic given the fact our form was right up there for an entire calendar year under GC.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 31, 2020 20:54:56 GMT
I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills. No way we could have sustained it? Strange logic given the fact our form was right up there for an entire calendar year under GC. Do a poll and ask Gasheads if they think GC would've kept us in top 6 with that squad after 44 games ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:02:17 GMT
Its irrelevant now how we would have done with coughlan. What matters now is getting some decent results while bedding in the new players and building towards next season. It could all be one big disaster but it would be pretty amazing if it works out well. The coventry model is quite similar to what garner is trying to do and maybe even brentford higher up the scale.
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Post by socrates on Jan 31, 2020 21:20:39 GMT
I am all for the philosophy the OP quotes(not forgetting our development players)and sincerely hope it works out ,got to give it time and BG has a free hit and the rest of season to get it right, GC did not have that luxury and had to cut his cloth accordingly which he did with great credit, as an aside i just watched extended highlights of 'that' Daggers game and we didn't half play some good stuff! great passing and incisive moves we really did play well that day so more of the same please! it also highlighted some glaring misses, notably from Taylor (3)the last of which we got lucky with the rebound! and the rest is history! We certainly did play some great stuff in those first two seasons under DC but I also think that we had better players than most other teams and also we had momentum in the second season. Wind forward a few years and we certainly haven’t got better players than most other teams in our division and it takes wins to gain momentum. Personally i don’t care that much whether we go direct or we play pretty short passing football or we mix it up as long as we play to our strengths and win more than we lose. It’s going to take Garner time to get this right if he does indeed however get it right. At least he’s got time , if we were in a relegation scrap down the bottom he’d probably be sacked within the next couple of weeks. The signing of Garner was clearly done with long term in mind.
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Post by socrates on Jan 31, 2020 21:24:39 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised. To be fair we’ve only signed young players who are either loans or probably on fairly cheap wages. Lots of signings but all free and I doubt any of them are on big money. We did need to strengthen and I’m not complaining but it’s not like we’ve splashed out on a record fee. Personally I’m not taken aback from it I expected a few out and a few in as we clearly need to shake the squad up to fit Garners style. If Nichols has gone along with other young players who have gone on loan then we’ve probably only increased our weekly wage bill by a a couple of grand or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:36:35 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised. To be fair we’ve only signed young players who are either loans or probably on fairly cheap wages. Lots of signings but all free and I doubt any of them are on big money. We did need to strengthen and I’m not complaining but it’s not like we’ve splashed out on a record fee. Personally I’m not taken aback from it I expected a few out and a few in as we clearly need to shake the squad up to fit Garners style. If Nichols has gone along with other young players who have gone on loan then we’ve probably only increased our weekly wage bill by a a couple of grand or so. The good news is that the 3 permanent signings are coming here to play first team football rather mess about anymore in bigger clubs under 23 squads. I dont actually agree with you though because blackman and ginnelly will be on decent money with their experience and we are certain to be paying for at least half of nichols wages during his loan at cheltenham. I am totally aware that all this could end in tears but im chuffed that the owners are backing garner's vision for the club properly imo.
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Post by landrover on Jan 31, 2020 21:40:40 GMT
Assuming you’re taking the p*ss but actually as a counter for monied clubs, which we are clearly not, then this is the way to succeed. Money brings with it a pedigree of player in the academy and in the first team. Garner is very much one of those managers/coach’s that are great on theory. Their idea is to out think the opposing manager tactically. It’s why Allardyce, Pulis and Warnock are always called upon when a club needs saving. Cut the crap and get it forward. This makes perfect sense to me, even more so at lower league level. I also love the fact there’s more passion involved. Has the game ever been more boring than it is now? Give me a Coughlan type all day long. I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills. i enjoyed Southend(obviously), Tranmere(2 sent off so we were always going to win, which is a rare feeling), Pompey(2 late goals) and Rotherham (promotion contenders). I could add the Accrington game but that was two points thrown away. I see nothing wrong with the ball being in the air. Burnley and Palace seem to do alright with it against the elite.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 31, 2020 21:46:37 GMT
Full of negative boring sh** again, ffs we were in the top 4 for a couple of weeks as everyone else had a dip in form and now their much wealthier talented squads have picked up pace again FACT! It’s not as if we were in the top 2 all season then dipped? Your not a proper gashead as you wouldn’t be so ungrateful for the club to invest in the future with decent young talent that we could watch good exciting football and make a healthy profit off! Everyone saying GC left as he wasn’t being backed and the board have shown their backing their man. UTG The form table doesn't lie for the 46 games under GC we were in the top 3 in league 1, since BG took over we're probably bottom 3. BG has a massive job on his hands turning things around. How long were we in the top 3 for?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:50:02 GMT
Assuming you’re taking the p*ss but actually as a counter for monied clubs, which we are clearly not, then this is the way to succeed. Money brings with it a pedigree of player in the academy and in the first team. Garner is very much one of those managers/coach’s that are great on theory. Their idea is to out think the opposing manager tactically. It’s why Allardyce, Pulis and Warnock are always called upon when a club needs saving. Cut the crap and get it forward. This makes perfect sense to me, even more so at lower league level. I also love the fact there’s more passion involved. Has the game ever been more boring than it is now? Give me a Coughlan type all day long. I think you're harking back to times that don't really exist now. With all the foreign players in The Prem and Championship now - the style of football has changed - for the better in my view. With that we've had a huge influx of foreign mangers who have introduced new styles /ethos too - Wenger, Mourinho, Guardiola etc. Players (british too of course) have filtered down the leagues and level and style has changed. Look at the teams down The Mem this season where even the CBs look very comfortable on the ball - thinking of teams like Donnie, Coventry, Oxford, Pboro even Fleetwood and Rochdale - play a good brand of football. GC did miracles but there's no way our team would've sustained that till May without many reinforcements. We've still got some good L1 players but to have a real tilt at top 6 we need to play it the Donnie, Coventry, Pboro way. Landrover - which teams/games have you enjoyed watching this season and why ? I really liked the Pboro, Cov in the cup, and Oxford games - football on the deck, chances at both ends and teams trying to win it through slick movement and ball skills. A well reasoned post with some fair points. All I would ask though is who is doing it on a budget with a load of younger players? Coventry, Peterborough and Oxford all have the money to afford to play good football. I suppose Donny aren’t a typical well backed side, are they reliant on loans or youth?
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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
Turn the record over, different username same sh**! God this forum never ceases to amaze me, many posters spent 10 months bemoaning GC style of football,how boring it was ,ball always in the air ,no wingers blah blah. We get a Mgr who has had for various no time on the training pitch yet is determined to get the ball down play out of the back utilise wingers to create chances etc. Yet all I see is moaning ,it won't happen he doesn't know what he's doing..... For Christ sake give the man time ,if you can't see what type of player he wants by this window you must know little about football. It is likely we will end up mid table but I for one am excited to see if we can move to a passing game rather than hoof ball Give the man the summer to work with the players and judge him 10 games into next season. I never complained about GC or his style of football cus he got us results who cares what the football is like if we get the results we are not Liverpool or Man City who can play this style that BG wants but we can’t so stop backing a bloke who is asking for mission impossible
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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:04:27 GMT
I have been taken aback by the level of backing garner has had from the owners. Make no mistake this is serious support for the new managers vision and i must admit i am pleasantly surprised. Shame GC wasn’t given the support then
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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:06:47 GMT
Time will tell then you will all realise BG is not the man for us after another wasted season ffs
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 31, 2020 22:07:01 GMT
God this forum never ceases to amaze me, many posters spent 10 months bemoaning GC style of football,how boring it was ,ball always in the air ,no wingers blah blah. We get a Mgr who has had for various no time on the training pitch yet is determined to get the ball down play out of the back utilise wingers to create chances etc. Yet all I see is moaning ,it won't happen he doesn't know what he's doing..... For Christ sake give the man time ,if you can't see what type of player he wants by this window you must know little about football. It is likely we will end up mid table but I for one am excited to see if we can move to a passing game rather than hoof ball Give the man the summer to work with the players and judge him 10 games into next season. I never complained about GC or his style of football cus he got us results who cares what the football is like if we get the results we are not Liverpool or Man City who can play this style that BG wants but we can’t so stop backing a bloke who is asking for mission impossible No we can't but we can play like Coventry or Peterborough
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
No way we could have sustained it? Strange logic given the fact our form was right up there for an entire calendar year under GC. Do a poll and ask Gasheads if they think GC would've kept us in top 6 with that squad after 44 games ? Don't see how that's relevant as most wrote GC off after the first defeat. The fact is that our form wasn't confined to a small a honeymoon period, it was sustained over a calendar year. An unlikely play off challenge therefore was a possibility.
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Post by brads213 on Jan 31, 2020 22:20:42 GMT
For everyone moaning we’ve signed 7 players and loaned out our striker with a high wage and shocking scoring rate F U C K O F F Most players signed are young and on loan , whilst we get rid of our best player wake up!!
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Post by justin blue on Jan 31, 2020 22:27:56 GMT
I think having an aim of wanting to play attractive football is admirable and fantastic if achievable,but for me we don't have the players here at this time. True Ben is bringing in players and they hopefully will help towards creating a more attractive style of play. However in the mean time Ben needs to find a way to get the best use of what we have here. At the end of the day football is results based and we need some good results before confidence starts draining out of the side. Ben has a vision of what he wants and I'm all for it, but we need to steady the ship a bit before we start building the grand vision. In short we have to get some points on the board short term before we start building the dream. The thing that worries me about BG is his lack of flexibility I think a managers needs to have more than one plan.
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