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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 12:51:10 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy.
The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game?
If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties.
Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:10:39 GMT
The thing which baffles me somewhat is the assumption we've just signed a few young players who will inevitably develop into top L1/Championship players and lead to big sales later down the line.
Of course that would be the hope, but it's certainly not a given.
The difficult pitch with this strategy is the fact the previous one was so successful in terms of results. Even if this was come good, would it take us to being in a real shout of promotion?
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 1, 2020 13:11:27 GMT
Show commitment, a couple of good performances, add goals for the team and a few wins then I think most will see this is a team in transition, so I would hope so.
Add a few more in the summer and go for it next season.
Off field is just as important for an understanding of the aims, clarity here will help the fans to show patience. 😶
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Post by Westy on Feb 1, 2020 13:21:15 GMT
The thing which baffles me somewhat is the assumption we've just signed a few young players who will inevitably develop into top L1/Championship players and lead to big sales later down the line. Of course that would be the hope, but it's certainly not a given. The difficult pitch with this strategy is the fact the previous one was so successful in terms of results. Even if this was come good, would it take us to being in a real shout of promotion? Perhaps the pressure's off for BG from the top? End of the season to bed the team and strategy in with the patience to see the project through to next season? I haven't looked up the table for a few weeks. Not sure whether to chalk that ambition off for my own sanity... |
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Post by axegas on Feb 1, 2020 13:25:30 GMT
Would it be fair to say that now Garner has got 7 players in that he thinks will help his style of play, we can afford him slightly less patience than before?
Don’t get me wrong, adapting to a new style of play will take time but now he’s been backed and given the tools at his disposal, I think it’s reasonable to expect results to be above the level they are currently at going forward.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2020 13:33:01 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy. The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game? If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties. Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players? The answers obviously no, most sports fans go to see their team at home win/put in a decent performance not some long term project which might bear fruit, which is only putting money in the owners pockets if it does. I can't see there's been much recent support on here for Rollin or OC, when they've hit a bad patch of form, with Nichols being virtually forced out of the club. |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Feb 1, 2020 13:43:52 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy. The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game? If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties. Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players?  The answers obviously no, most sports fans go to see their team at home win/put in a decent performance not some long term project which might bear fruit, which is only putting money in the owners pockets if it does. I can't see there's been much recent support on here for Rollin or OC, when they've hit a bad patch of form, with Nichols being virtually forced out of the club. Very few owners actually make any money in football, especially at our level, most do it for the love of a club. In our case, our revenue streams would be too low to return much of a profit. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 1, 2020 13:49:40 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy. The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game? If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties. Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players?  The answers obviously no, most sports fans go to see their team at home win/put in a decent performance not some long term project which might bear fruit, which is only putting money in the owners pockets if it does. I can't see there's been much recent support on here for Rollin or OC, when they've hit a bad patch of form, with Nichols being virtually forced out of the club. 1. I thought the club was about to go bust according to the rumours you freely regurgitate? 2. Nichols was in the last 6 months of a 3 year deal during which he has scored 4 league goals having played at least 30 odd games a season, is that fair to call that being forced out of the club or would a more balanced review be to say that it was a natural end to a relationship that, by the player's own admission, hadn't really worked out? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:49:56 GMT
The thing which baffles me somewhat is the assumption we've just signed a few young players who will inevitably develop into top L1/Championship players and lead to big sales later down the line. Of course that would be the hope, but it's certainly not a given. The difficult pitch with this strategy is the fact the previous one was so successful in terms of results. Even if this was come good, would it take us to being in a real shout of promotion? Perhaps the pressure's off for BG from the top? End of the season to bed the team and strategy in with the patience to see the project through to next season? I haven't looked up the table for a few weeks. Not sure whether to chalk that ambition off for my own sanity... What if we win one or two games between now and then? Obviously BG will be here next season, don;t think there is any doubt about that now, but he won't be given a free ride by fans if the results are that bad. In fact, given all the hoop-la of yesterday all it will take is one more defeat today and yesterday will be forgotten and the knives will be out again. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 1, 2020 13:51:03 GMT
Perhaps the pressure's off for BG from the top? End of the season to bed the team and strategy in with the patience to see the project through to next season? I haven't looked up the table for a few weeks. Not sure whether to chalk that ambition off for my own sanity... What if we win one or two games between now and then? Obviously BG will be here next season, don;t think there is any doubt about that now, but he won't be given a free ride by fans if the results are that bad. In fact, given all the hoop-la of yesterday all it will take is one more defeat today and yesterday will be forgotten and the knives will be out again. Because you've made sure you've kept it nice and sharp and close by? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 13:56:32 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy. The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game? If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties. Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players? It's not the player's fault if it all goes wrong, ultimately. They are young so they should be hungry and not like the likes of Bennett, that's the main thing regardless of talent. As long as they are trying I am sure they will have the support of the majority of fans....although you will always have that one or two watered up idiots who want to vent their spleen in the stadium. Any issues with the strategy need to be aimed at the board and, to a lesser extent, the manager. But, it has to be said, what is the alternative? We don't have any money. We can blame DC (although I love the guy) and the people signing off the cheques for that. The alternative is to sign a bunch of cheap, experienced cloggers and go back to Coughlan ball- unfortunately we will never know if that would have brought success. Either way we are not the sort of club to make statement signings like Peterborough and Oxford and that is not going to change for a long while, if ever and that is going to define our strategy more than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 14:00:34 GMT
What if we win one or two games between now and then? Obviously BG will be here next season, don;t think there is any doubt about that now, but he won't be given a free ride by fans if the results are that bad. In fact, given all the hoop-la of yesterday all it will take is one more defeat today and yesterday will be forgotten and the knives will be out again. Because you've made sure you've kept it nice and sharp and close by? Hey at least I'm consistent  I wasn't a fan of Garner's appointment from day one, however the rest of this place is up and down like a whore's drawers depending on what day of the week it is: sign a player on Tuesday "we're gonna win the leeeeeague", lose on Saturday "Garner out, sack the board!" etc. I am sticking to my guns that continuity should have been the aim, although I will happily admit I was wrong at the end of the season if things improve, just as I held my hands up that I got it wrong that Coughlan's football was unsustainable - it appears that it totally was sustainable and we are wrong to discard it so easily. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2020 14:15:01 GMT
The answers obviously no, most sports fans go to see their team at home win/put in a decent performance not some long term project which might bear fruit, which is only putting money in the owners pockets if it does. I can't see there's been much recent support on here for Rollin or OC, when they've hit a bad patch of form, with Nichols being virtually forced out of the club. 1. I thought the club was about to go bust according to the rumours you freely regurgitate? 2. Nichols was in the last 6 months of a 3 year deal during which he has scored 4 league goals having played at least 30 odd games a season, is that fair to call that being forced out of the club or would a more balanced review be to say that it was a natural end to a relationship that, by the player's own admission, hadn't really worked out? Yep, I have posted hundreds of times we're going bust, just like all those posts you failed to find last night where I'd apparently posted we'd be selling 3 or 4 players. |
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Post by LJG on Feb 1, 2020 14:16:33 GMT
1. I thought the club was about to go bust according to the rumours you freely regurgitate? 2. Nichols was in the last 6 months of a 3 year deal during which he has scored 4 league goals having played at least 30 odd games a season, is that fair to call that being forced out of the club or would a more balanced review be to say that it was a natural end to a relationship that, by the player's own admission, hadn't really worked out? Yep, I have posted hundreds of times we're going bust, just like all those posts you failed to find last night where I'd apparently posted we'd be selling 3 or 4 players. Again - are you saying you didn't believe and repeat the "Blue Diamond" rumour? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 1, 2020 14:41:45 GMT
A clear strategy a signing young players who can be developed over time and with the potential of a sell on value to help fund losses. It's high risk but at least we now have a strategy. The big question for me is will the fan base have the patience and be supportive of young players still learning the game? If the fans get on the backs of youngsters having an off-day like I seen in the past at the Mem then this strategy will certainly have some difficulties. Will the Gas fans have patience and be supportive of this crop of young players?  Which young players have we not been supportive of in the past on a match day? |
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Post by cj on Feb 1, 2020 14:52:20 GMT
Everyone knows BG has had a tough start here. But he is now back and made on paper some very impressive signings and its beginning to be clear what his vision is for the club. The club has backed him. We were all expecting a fair few to leave to get in the players that we have yet that hasn't happened. I hope Wael haters will no longer moan that he never backs the manager. We therefore have a pretty good size squad where we can play any formation and would be a great guess if anyone can predict the correct starting 11 each week.
I hope now people will give BG a fresh start as if he had just joined us. Allow him time to get the players playing to his tune.
Today can be a free hit as far as I am concerned as it will be a tough game. I would take a draw now so a win would be brilliant. But signs of continued improvement would be key for me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 18:57:24 GMT
Because you've made sure you've kept it nice and sharp and close by? Hey at least I'm consistent I wasn't a fan of Garner's appointment from day one, however the rest of this place is up and down like a whore's drawers depending on what day of the week it is: sign a player on Tuesday "we're gonna win the leeeeeague", lose on Saturday "Garner out, sack the board!" etc. I am sticking to my guns that continuity should have been the aim, although I will happily admit I was wrong at the end of the season if things improve, just as I held my hands up that I got it wrong that Coughlan's football was unsustainable - it appears that it totally was sustainable and we are wrong to discard it so easily. I was dead against the garner appointment,trouble is he is here and at least he has a clear strategy to take the club forward and make the club more sustainable. The only option for fans as i see it is to give the new players and playing style a chance to prove it can work. If garner pulls this off and we end up with an improving young side and sometimes selling a starlet for big money it will be amazing. It is a big "if" though i admit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 19:02:10 GMT
Hey at least I'm consistent I wasn't a fan of Garner's appointment from day one, however the rest of this place is up and down like a whore's drawers depending on what day of the week it is: sign a player on Tuesday "we're gonna win the leeeeeague", lose on Saturday "Garner out, sack the board!" etc. I am sticking to my guns that continuity should have been the aim, although I will happily admit I was wrong at the end of the season if things improve, just as I held my hands up that I got it wrong that Coughlan's football was unsustainable - it appears that it totally was sustainable and we are wrong to discard it so easily. I was dead against the garner appointment,trouble is he is here and at least he has a clear strategy to take the club forward and make the club more sustainable. The only option for fans as i see it is to give the new players and playing style a chance to prove it can work. If garner pulls this off and we end up with an improving young side and sometimes selling a starlet for big money it will be amazing. It is a big "if" though i admit. Exactly right- it’s a massive IF especially for someone in their first managerial role. I don’t think Garner is helped by the position we were in either. It’s going to take me a long time to get over how we have gone from top of the form table to the bottom no matter how much people feel change was needed. It’s really hard to accept that a season that at one point had us dreaming of promotion is now likely to end with us avoiding a relegation battle mainly because Bury reduced the points total required. If we were looking at 4th from bottom I’d be sweating my tits off but as it is it’s hard to see us going down. |
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Post by lpgas on Feb 1, 2020 19:14:39 GMT
So, After paying £200 for a season ticket I can write the rest of the season off. Fine, so we appoint a new manager and go 11 games without a win. Truth is he should have kept it "as is" until the end of the season, then changed things.
What's the point of going ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2020 19:27:30 GMT
So, After paying £200 for a season ticket I can write the rest of the season off. Fine, so we appoint a new manager and go 11 games without a win. Truth is he should have kept it "as is" until the end of the season, then changed things. What's the point of going ? To revel in the glorious transition? |
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I wasn't a fan of Garner's appointment from day one, however the rest of this place is up and down like a whore's drawers depending on what day of the week it is: sign a player on Tuesday "we're gonna win the leeeeeague", lose on Saturday "Garner out, sack the board!" etc.
