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Post by axegas on Apr 25, 2020 18:40:12 GMT
Because the season tickets are for the season that at the moment starts in August and continues on to April/May of next year. I think there's a general expectation that the situation will be more manageable then and some spectator sport will be played in that period. A lot of things will change between now and the summer and I'm sure a fair compromise will be reached between the club and renewing ST holders. So it seems reasonable to ask who’d be prepared to attend. The question in the poll It will be more a choice for the authorities than the supporters. That was my point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:55:55 GMT
I just think that sometime in the future the government will allow large gathering's of people at events and until then there will be no football with crowds. Wont matter a stuff if people are happy to take their chances etc because they will not be given the option to go to games.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 25, 2020 21:00:14 GMT
Not sure you can compare the controlled social distancing currently practised in most supermarkets with the uncontrolled standing shoulder to shoulder (ish) in the West Enclosure (or other areas) for prolonged periods? Or sitting next to each other in the seated areas. Every time I go to a supermarket or go somewhere to get essentials people flout the 2m rule. They either don’t know what 2m is or their too stupid to follow the rules and have their heads in the clouds. Sadly it’s more the latter. Drives me wild, because it’s not hard to follow. For what it’s worth if we discover coronavirus isn’t as deadly as we think it is as there’s loads of asymptotic cases or if the cases are brought to a small enough level then I’m sure we could safely resume attended fixtures but we won’t be completing 19/20 that way I’m sure. I couldn’t vote either way because right now we just don’t know enough and we really don’t know what’s around the corner. Regardless let’s hope this all gets sorted out sooner or later for our physical, mental and economic well being. The 2m rule is farcical though as you have to walk past the security guard, then past the shelf fillers and then the cashier, plus finally past the security guard again, even if you avoid fellow shoppers. Although can we really spend the next 6/12 months never getting closer than 2m to non family members? No ideal what the polls about as it''ll be the Government/EFL who'll decide when games can be played in front of fans not posters on an unofficial club forum, if the club listened to fans then they'd have never entered the FL Trophy.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 25, 2020 21:09:20 GMT
I just think that sometime in the future the government will allow large gathering's of people at events and until then there will be no football with crowds. Wont matter a stuff if people are happy to take their chances etc because they will not be given the option to go to games. Unless social distancing becomes a possibility at football etc, ironically that may be easier on the terraces as just stick some yellow & black tape on the ground and we can all stand 2m apart. Perhaps stands could have 1 seat with the 2 seats around it in all directions free? If so it'll lead to massive reductions in crowds allowed into the ground but at least some fans can watch the live games. I assume public transport is going to have to do something similar? If it won't work football below the Championship may have to go part time as it's watched by just a few fans on iFollow until a vaccine is ever developed.
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 25, 2020 23:07:53 GMT
Don’t disagree that B&Q could be essential but that’s not how it’s being used by a large proportion of visitors. The rules are only going to get muddier as well. If there’s no prospect of playing in front of spectators before there’s a vaccine or this has died out to a manageable level why the hell are we selling season tickets I actually visited my local B&Q (Imperial Park) on Thursday, social distancing is in the main adhered to. The stores are controlling entrance numbers and also exit via the tills. Regardless of if the visit is "essential" 50-100 people in a large store does not compare to 6-7000 people in a sport stadia. Currently all discussions on the likelihood of football restarting are about behind closed doors, we will not be at the Mem in the near future. ‘Not be at the mem in the near future?’ News on a new stadium??😉😉😉😉😉
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 26, 2020 0:11:08 GMT
Every time I go to a supermarket or go somewhere to get essentials people flout the 2m rule. They either don’t know what 2m is or their too stupid to follow the rules and have their heads in the clouds. Sadly it’s more the latter. Drives me wild, because it’s not hard to follow. For what it’s worth if we discover coronavirus isn’t as deadly as we think it is as there’s loads of asymptotic cases or if the cases are brought to a small enough level then I’m sure we could safely resume attended fixtures but we won’t be completing 19/20 that way I’m sure. I couldn’t vote either way because right now we just don’t know enough and we really don’t know what’s around the corner. Regardless let’s hope this all gets sorted out sooner or later for our physical, mental and economic well being. The 2m rule is farcical though as you have to walk past the security guard, then past the shelf fillers and then the cashier, plus finally past the security guard again, even if you avoid fellow shoppers. Although can we really spend the next 6/12 months never getting closer than 2m to non family members? No ideal what the polls about as it''ll be the Government/EFL who'll decide when games can be played in front of fans not posters on an unofficial club forum, if the club listened to fans then they'd have never entered the FL Trophy. The point of the poll is to get an idea of how people would feel about going back to games if the government says it’s ok to do so but before a vaccine is in use. I don’t necessarily have much faith in our government getting this right judging by the mess they’ve made of dealing with the outbreak. So even if the government says it’s ok but no vaccine is in place I just wondered what people’s views would be. I remember the BSE crisis, there was a situation where the government told us British Beef was safe and yet the home and export market collapsed. I also recall the story that was put around that the MMR jab had awful side effects but the government said it was safe and still there was a huge drop in the take up of vaccines which has lead to a rise in the terrible disease of measles. It wasn’t a scientific poll it was to judge opinion, half of those responding said they wouldn’t attend a game. I therefore believe from that, people will be reluctant to attend games whatever the government say until they, personally, can get a vaccine. As a consequence I think the club should be making attempts to garner views over the coming months so we can budget accordingly because I think our income may just fall off a cliff. All my opinions on this are based on the fear that the club are being lead by the EFL down a blind alley. Clubs already stretched finances are not going to see many come through this unscathed. Some of the EFL’s thoughts on the subject are bizarre and I can’t imagine would stand up to much legal challenge from the clubs that lose out.
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 26, 2020 8:01:45 GMT
Don’t disagree that B&Q could be essential but that’s not how it’s being used by a large proportion of visitors. The rules are only going to get muddier as well. If there’s no prospect of playing in front of spectators before there’s a vaccine or this has died out to a manageable level why the hell are we selling season tickets I actually visited my local B&Q (Imperial Park) on Thursday, social distancing is in the main adhered to. The stores are controlling entrance numbers and also exit via the tills. Regardless of if the visit is "essential" 50-100 people in a large store does not compare to 6-7000 people in a sport stadia. Currently all discussions on the likelihood of football restarting are about behind closed doors, we will not be at the Mem in the near future. Some people clearly have a different view apple.news/AcqR7cUAtTpKmEw6Tzt-OTw
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 26, 2020 8:04:06 GMT
I’m not so sure that the government aren’t going to allow sporting events to take place with supporters in grounds prior to a vaccine being found. Looking at the stores that are starting to open I think the government will be encouraging businesses to get back to work as soon as they can. The point of the poll was to ascertain what people would do if they had the choice prior to vaccine. Judging by the number of people already flocking to B&Q which clearly isn’t an essential trip I think coming out of this is going to get very messy Spectator sports won't happen until a vaccine is found and available or Coronavirus numbers are low enough to not be considered a threat, even in Germany where the situation is much more under control, authorities aren't even contemplating letting the crowds back in. People will die if stadiums reopen to supporters with Coronavirus infections still happening in the UK, thats the reality of it. B+Q is an essential trip in some circumstances if it is to restore utilities or fix things that could potentially be hazardous. If it's just to buy a nice plant for the Garden then it's not obviously. apple.news/AcqR7cUAtTpKmEw6Tzt-OTwHere’s the problem with giving people an inch,
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2020 8:20:56 GMT
It's not an inch though it's 2m, just like at Tesco's etc, at least it disproves your view, Private Frazer, that football is doomed as fans will never return.
Odd your so obsessed with Rovers failing post CV19 but hardly posted on here pre CV19.
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Post by LJG on Apr 26, 2020 9:16:34 GMT
Anyone waiting on a vaccine is living in dream land. There are no other coronavirus vaccines - SARS, MERS, cold - even if there is one, vaccine development takes 10 - 15 years. That's how they monitor whether or not it's successful: did those people get the illness again or not?
Still not convinced - a vaccine for ebola (remember that from 2014?) only made it to market in Europe last week.
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Post by blueridge on Apr 26, 2020 9:30:36 GMT
My thoughts for what its worth - there will be no spectator football this year and 2019/2020 season will be written off. Personally I cant see any big spectator sport - football, cricket, rugby, tennis etc taking place until the start of each season in 2021. So nothing football wise for spectators IMO until August 2021 and the leagues will be restructured with probably only about 18 clubs in each of EFL 1 & 2 - sad but my opinion. I can see at least 10 EFL 1 & 2 clubs folding, its never going to be quiet the same again.
Anyone even considering attending a professional football match this year (won't happen anyway) is ever so slightly barking mad.(IMO)
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Post by axegas on Apr 26, 2020 9:47:37 GMT
I actually visited my local B&Q (Imperial Park) on Thursday, social distancing is in the main adhered to. The stores are controlling entrance numbers and also exit via the tills. Regardless of if the visit is "essential" 50-100 people in a large store does not compare to 6-7000 people in a sport stadia. Currently all discussions on the likelihood of football restarting are about behind closed doors, we will not be at the Mem in the near future. Some people clearly have a different view apple.news/AcqR7cUAtTpKmEw6Tzt-OTwIt needs to be like Boots, have the essentials supply isles open like screws ect and close the rest of the store. Then only allow a certain amount of people in at the same time. I can guarantee that would thin crowds out pretty quick.
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Post by mftc on Apr 26, 2020 10:11:24 GMT
Based on the Yes votes so far, this would equate to around 800 fans and if this included families in the same household they could fit in the Mem and be a radius of 3m apart but then stewards would be needed so the attendance would have to be less.
I understand it is a hypothetical question, as the opportunity to watch a live game won't happen till "next" season and that will probably be in September and we should have a clearer idea of the situation then.
I would guess there will be gradual loosen of the lockdown, as people are not following all the instructions now. I think this weekend definitely saw more people out and about and I would guess they were out longer than an hour and queues for shops were around 1m on average. (Sainsbury's in Fishponds have put markers down outside and there is no way that they are 2m apart - didn't go in, just exercising past.
I guess we are very, very lucky in that so far Bristol has one of the lowest infection rates compared to cities of approximate similar size.
Stay safe Gas.
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Post by slam on Apr 26, 2020 11:07:55 GMT
One of the problems as I see it is that is that Covid-19 turns us all into potential killers. We don;t necessarily know at the time that we have the disease and we don;t know at any one time if we are infectious.
But if, for the sake of argument, you were infectious how would you feel if you spread the infection to someone who went on and died from it.
This isn;t just about protecting ourselves, it is about protecting other people and I think that we need to bear that in mind when we take any actions - be it shopping, exercising or going to watch a football match.
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Post by nsblue on Apr 26, 2020 14:38:20 GMT
One of the problems with coronavirus is that none of the leading scientific and medical experts can agree. The Govt seem to be looking at anti-body testing as a 'passport' to free(er) movement, but WHO are saying evidence is that anti-body testing is inconclusive. Who is right?
Can we realistically put life on hold for a vaccine, that may never appear? Even if by some miracle one is found, can we afford to short cut years of testing and put something in mainstream where we have no idea of side effects. The side effects could be more fatal than catching coronavirus!
The flu jab had been around for years, yet there is evidence that in some years it is effective in less than 20% of those who receive it!
The other issue is how long can the Govt afford to 'furlough' everyone? The current scheme only runs until 30th June, will they extend it for businesses who we are being told cannot re-open, possibly until 2021 i.e. sport, pubs, restaurants, hotel's, hospitality, hairdressers etc. The cost would be huge and potentially one this country cannot afford.
If the furlough scheme does close 30th June how many football, cricket, rugby clubs etc could afford to have no paying spectators for 6+ months or do we just mothball all professional sport, lay everyone off and see what the landscape looks like in 2021?
No matter which approach the Govt takes, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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Post by matealotblue on Apr 26, 2020 14:47:55 GMT
No matter which approach the Govt takes, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Indeed, but those with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight (the only exact science) will always be right.....🙄 Glad I ain’t making the call on this one.
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Post by slam on Apr 26, 2020 15:54:25 GMT
I understand exactly what you are saying about social distancing and people's adherence to it. The problem with permitting fans back into a stadium to watch a football match is that the social distancing measures would be almost impossible to maintain (from travelling to the match, to the general conflab outside of the ground and then even worse to the situation of maintaining two metres distance within a stadium such as ours.
It is impossible and until there is a completely infallible test to identify people who have had the virus or better still and infallible vaccine, we cannot be safe if we go to watch a football game.
However, that doesn;t mean to say that there can't be any football and it doesn't ,mean that we can't continue to follow the GAS on and off the field. If I was running the club I would be looking out for a number of signs and lobbying clubs to look for the same signs.
As the signs of an gradual easing of measures grows greater, I would try to establish a lobby that did a number of things:
1) It argued for the reinstatement of football "behind closed doors" 2) It argued for the instatement of professional football players as "essential workers and key employees" - in this way you could arrange for individual testing of playing staff on a daily basis which would ensure the safety of those involved in training and in matchday operations. The arguement for this is that the players officials etc are performing a service which adds to the mental stability of the clubs fans and to the nation in general where the lockdown has taken away any opportunity for watching sport. 3) The clubs could finish their seasons; promotion relegation etc etc and honour contracts to players. 4) The clubs could generate revenues by live streaming of games to the general public and to the specific fans. There are thousands of sponsorship opportunities out there too. 5) The above measures provide a platform whereby you can gradually introduce the sport back into a more "normal" basis when the situation permits.
It it a phenomenally difficult time, but that is the way that I would hope to see things going and each of those steps require a massive amount of detailed planning. If only to get a glimpse of proper football on ifollow.
The only problem with all of this is that Gary Linaker et al would then become essential key workers!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 26, 2020 18:30:12 GMT
Amazed that 33% would go back with no safety measures, astonishing do you belong to that 'dangerous sports club'?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Apr 26, 2020 18:42:00 GMT
Irresponsible and reckless
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Post by Icegas on Apr 27, 2020 9:48:19 GMT
It seems to me like you’re just trying to prove the obvious. Of course people won’t want to attend spectator sport if the virus is still out there with no vaccine, if you do, you’re just putting others at risk. That’s why discussions are taking place to try and get the season started behind closed doors or work out an alternative if that can’t be achieved. Theres not going to be a vaccine for 18 months at the very least, and for it being able to be used and accessible to everyone nearer the 2 year mark. I see the lockdown being released in about a month and a half would be my be my bet to try to stimulate the economy, but the 2nd wave of this will be much worse than this and we will go back into lockdown.This could go one like is until there is a vaccine ready. I dont see football with fans being played for until that time.
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