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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 22, 2020 19:43:38 GMT
There's already numpties on here calling for that before the first game!! The only obvious numpties are those that think that the Sunderland win heralds in some hallelujah moment. This is the problem with Ben Garner, he talks a great game. His record is up there with the worst and circumstances have conspired to keep him there. Coughlan had us playing a certain way yet Garner decided to change it all, overnight. Despite saying he wouldn’t. It didn’t make sense then and still doesn’t. I pray that I don’t see the ball being rolled to Alfie in our own penalty area just to start our attack. But my fear is that this will be exactly what we see. If Garner was employed on the basis his team played football he'd be the numpty to stick with GC "bore them to death" tactics, although the pressure is really on him to now perform next season as he's got no real excuses, if he fails at least he seems to be putting together a decent squad for his successor. As far as the ball being rolled to Alfie, that tatic seemed to work for Coventry!
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Post by pirate on Jul 22, 2020 19:52:59 GMT
There's already numpties on here calling for that before the first game!! The only obvious numpties are those that think that the Sunderland win heralds in some hallelujah moment. This is the problem with Ben Garner, he talks a great game. His record is up there with the worst and circumstances have conspired to keep him there. Coughlan had us playing a certain way yet Garner decided to change it all, overnight. Despite saying he wouldn’t. It didn’t make sense then and still doesn’t. I pray that I don’t see the ball being rolled to Alfie in our own penalty area just to start our attack. But my fear is that this will be exactly what we see. Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by landrover on Jul 22, 2020 21:05:02 GMT
The only obvious numpties are those that think that the Sunderland win heralds in some hallelujah moment. This is the problem with Ben Garner, he talks a great game. His record is up there with the worst and circumstances have conspired to keep him there. Coughlan had us playing a certain way yet Garner decided to change it all, overnight. Despite saying he wouldn’t. It didn’t make sense then and still doesn’t. I pray that I don’t see the ball being rolled to Alfie in our own penalty area just to start our attack. But my fear is that this will be exactly what we see. Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Your reply is to be expected seeing how you’ve been his biggest cheerleader these last 18 months. Still, can’t wait for his tactical periodisation methodology to be on show.
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Post by socrates on Jul 22, 2020 21:13:32 GMT
16 years without an opening day win? Get outta here. Seriously? I think we beat Wimbledon in 2011/12 3-2 at their place, but otherwise have to go back to Mansfield and Scunthorpe in 04/05 and 03/04 respectively. Seem to be poor starters even before then. Doesn’t help that we’re automatically away because the fiesta is the second week but even so that’s poor. I suppose this coming season it’s 50/50 whether we’re home or away.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 22, 2020 21:18:11 GMT
I’m pleased with the signings so far. BG still has to prove himself as a manager though.
He’s doing a good job of convincing what appears to be talented players to sign for the Gas.
I’m now happy to give the guy another chance with his own signings.
Signing players is only half the battle though. Getting them to play well is another matter.
Two years ago we were excited by DCs signings and it didn’t work out at all until GC implemented some back to basics tactics which a lot of people did not like.
Can’t remember the reception for GCs signings last year but certainly in the January window there was disappointment and the January signings turned out to be fantastic.
Truth is, we won’t know until the league actually starts and we’re a few games in. Remember when we had a meltdown when we drew to Wycombe?
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Post by pirate on Jul 22, 2020 22:08:18 GMT
Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Your reply is to be expected seeing how you’ve been his biggest cheerleader these last 18 months. Still, can’t wait for his tactical periodisation methodology to be on show. I'm looking forward to seeing how we do now he has got his own assistant in place and having managed to attract several decent players to the club. The pre-season will be a good opportunity to properly implement his ideas too. Bring it on. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2020 22:21:05 GMT
Your reply is to be expected seeing how you’ve been his biggest cheerleader these last 18 months. Still, can’t wait for his tactical periodisation methodology to be on show. I'm looking forward to seeing how we do now he has got his own assistant in place and having managed to attract several decent players to the club. The pre-season will be a good opportunity to properly implement his ideas too. Bring it on. UTG! 3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently.
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Post by yaz on Jul 23, 2020 9:21:45 GMT
The only obvious numpties are those that think that the Sunderland win heralds in some hallelujah moment. This is the problem with Ben Garner, he talks a great game. His record is up there with the worst and circumstances have conspired to keep him there. Coughlan had us playing a certain way yet Garner decided to change it all, overnight. Despite saying he wouldn’t. It didn’t make sense then and still doesn’t. I pray that I don’t see the ball being rolled to Alfie in our own penalty area just to start our attack. But my fear is that this will be exactly what we see. Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Teams that play at the back and from the back have players who are good enough to control the ball with their first touch, be able to pass well without another touch, have good awareness / vision and usually a good footballing goalie. Only a few Premier League clubs can do this, even less in the Championship. For us in L1, based on the last couple of seasons, our first touch is dreadful, we have lost the ball 1/2? the time by the second touch, our passing can be unbelievably rubbish, our kicking down the line is terrible, our free-kicks are brainless?, our throw-ins are usually lost after the 1st touch, our shots are usually over th bear or wide, etc. Only good area was probably our goal kicks. So for us to play at the back would be committing suicide in football terms. It would be nice to see I agree and does happen sometimes. Teams also play at the back to draw the other team forward so that the midfielders and forwards can use their talent and pace to create. Our midfield lacks creativity as shown up by teams like Doncaster, MK, Bolton, Rotherham, etc. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:13:09 GMT
The only obvious numpties are those that think that the Sunderland win heralds in some hallelujah moment. This is the problem with Ben Garner, he talks a great game. His record is up there with the worst and circumstances have conspired to keep him there. Coughlan had us playing a certain way yet Garner decided to change it all, overnight. Despite saying he wouldn’t. It didn’t make sense then and still doesn’t. I pray that I don’t see the ball being rolled to Alfie in our own penalty area just to start our attack. But my fear is that this will be exactly what we see. Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) After seeing Garner’s utter shambles away to MK Dons I’ll take hoofing and winning away at Ipswich any day of the week thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 10:16:22 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing how we do now he has got his own assistant in place and having managed to attract several decent players to the club. The pre-season will be a good opportunity to properly implement his ideas too. Bring it on. UTG! 3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently. His PPG suggests he doesn’t know what he’s doing, not his signings.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 23, 2020 10:40:55 GMT
Funny, at Bristol Rovers it's "lump it forward" whilst at Liverpool the same ball is a "well measured pass"
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Post by yattongas on Jul 23, 2020 10:45:14 GMT
Heaven forbid we try and play out from the back. Lump it long. HOOF! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) After seeing Garner’s utter shambles away to MK Dons I’ll take hoofing and winning away at Ipswich any day of the week thanks! Don’t remind me ..... that truly was dire 😥
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Post by Baxtinho on Jul 23, 2020 11:16:13 GMT
I might be way off here but the Style vs Substance argument does seem to have a generational split.
Older fans who remember terrible muddy pitches and defenders who were an insult to the term "footballer" probably accept you couldn't pass the ball short and fast, so had to make do.
These days though, on gorgeous pitches, all of the better teams play goal kicks short, have goalies who could do a decent job in midfield and know the difference between a long pass, and a hopeful punt upfield.
I know there's more than one way to win a game though, and it's a fact we haven't won many with BG, but i fear attendances and supporter satisfaction would've continued to fall if we didn't stop the crap GC was churning out.
(Awaiting the "but we were third for half an hour" replies...)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 11:32:17 GMT
I might be way off here but the Style vs Substance argument does seem to have a generational split. Older fans who remember terrible muddy pitches and defenders who were an insult to the term "footballer" probably accept you couldn't pass the ball short and fast, so had to make do. These days though, on gorgeous pitches, all of the better teams play goal kicks short, have goalies who could do a decent job in midfield and know the difference between a long pass, and a hopeful punt upfield. I know there's more than one way to win a game though, and it's a fact we haven't won many with BG, but i fear attendances and supporter satisfaction would've continued to fall if we didn't stop the crap GC was churning out. (Awaiting the "but we were third for half an hour" replies...) Agreed. The whole mindset from the bottom up needed changing. Whether Garner is the man, only time will tell. At least the owner is backing him and we, the fans perhaps should stop second guessing him and wait to see what happens.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2020 11:34:34 GMT
3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently. His PPG suggests he doesn’t know what he’s doing, not his signings. So what are we going to do as fans just assume he'll always be a failure or support him in the hope he will succeed?
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Post by CrispPusher on Jul 23, 2020 11:44:06 GMT
I'm looking forward to seeing how we do now he has got his own assistant in place and having managed to attract several decent players to the club. The pre-season will be a good opportunity to properly implement his ideas too. Bring it on. UTG! 3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently. Do you really believe they've signed just to play for the great 0.6875ppg Ben Garner? 😂 Or is it more the fact we seem to be one of the few clubs that is coping well with the financial fallout of the current pandemic?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:08:49 GMT
3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently. Do you really believe they've signed just to play for the great 0.6875ppg Ben Garner? 😂 Or is it more the fact we seem to be one of the few clubs that is coping well with the financial fallout of the current pandemic? You could be cynical and paint it in that light. Or you might be a tad more optimistic and argue that the owner had bought into Garner's vision for the club, backed him which allowed Garner to sell that vision with confidence and had the budget to seal the deal. But it's a hell of a risk, with zero income through the gates for the foreseeable future. It's not a case of coping well, it's being prepared to take that risk with your own capital.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 23, 2020 12:16:47 GMT
3 solid experienced pros and a highly rated youngster gave all been tempted across the country and world to the gas by the manager but he doesn’t know what he’s doing apparently. Do you really believe they've signed just to play for the great 0.6875ppg Ben Garner? 😂 Or is it more the fact we seem to be one of the few clubs that is coping well with the financial fallout of the current pandemic? I can't see Nicholson leaving Scotland or Ehmer leaving London if they didn't think BG was capable of being a decent manager at this level, as I can't see either of them would want to be involved in a relegation battle next season even if we were offering decent contracts, I sense all of our new signings expect us to be at the other end of the table.
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Post by 1986gashead on Jul 23, 2020 12:33:06 GMT
Can’t believe we haven’t signed anyone today... I’m disgusted
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jul 23, 2020 13:37:53 GMT
His PPG suggests he doesn’t know what he’s doing, not his signings. So what are we going to do as fans just assume he'll always be a failure or support him in the hope he will succeed? My view is that the timing just burned us. He arrived when we were fourth and had a game that if we won would have put us up to second. Even if you don’t believe in the football that got the team there you try not to tamper with what is not broken, but some of the components that got us there were already close to or already broken. Our early season defensive performances included 18 appearances from a man having a purple patch who would not play again that season. We also had a youngster, Hare, dumped on the treatment table after impressing greatly in his run in the side. More importantly our talismanic striker was affected by ongoing fitness issues and wasn’t playing full games having to be nursed through the games he did play and missing several key matches, then Abu Ogogu had a month where he had to have an injury managed and on top of that our rock in goal dislocated a shoulder and was gone. Add to that the stuttering form of Upson, Clarke and Sercombe and the lack of consistent goal scoring From JCHs deputies and it adds up to adhering to a football philosophy where the key components that could perform it were absent or misfiring. To top it off, through no fault of his own our new leader had to absent himself from the helm. When he returned there was no point in continuing playing Coughlan ball as we’d dropped off the pace, so we had got in several inexperienced players to give us options in the second half of the season and started to explore their abilities, what sort of football we could apply with these new resources and shake it up a bit....these guys arrived with very few league appearances under their belt (excluding the excellent Blackman). They were always going to be inconsistent and more than likely few of them had been involved in a team trying to arrest a losing slide...at least they picked up that experience and can learn from it. So we’ve now got a team where half the side probably still believe that reverting to Coughlan ball might be the way to go as that got us the early season points, half the team are just concentrating on putting in a good enough performance to keep their place and a manager who is having to decide with how much to change given the square pegs in the squad and the fitness levels of some of the players including new acquisitions! Just too mixed up to be effective. There is no mixed message now. Manager and Assistant have the same coaching philosophy, the same idea about how football should be played and have sold that football philosophy to four transfer targets, all undoubted first team players and all of whom are obviously comfortable with that concept or they would not have signed. There is a full preseason in which to discover which of the existing playing staff will be able to execute that playing blueprint but they are clearly confident JCH, Kilgour and Jaakkola are amongst them as they completed contract negotiations with two of them and are pursuing the third. Having worked with Hare and Daly before they must be pretty sure of them too. Rodman was producing some of his best form for us in that trying period so he’s another one to add to the nucleus of players that can already be trusted to deliver against the brief. Normally we know where we stand after a quarter of the season, given the weird vacuum atmosphere they have to start the campaign in we might have to wait half a season before attempting to judge how the new era is really progressing but at least any baggage accumulated during this campaign will be BG’s own and not an inherited series of unfortunate events...I reckon Lemony Snicket wrote the story of Rovers last season, maybe we can have a magical season of fantastic beasts (JCH and Ayunga perhaps?) And JKR can conjure up our tri-division cup!
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