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Post by pirate on Jul 30, 2020 12:48:16 GMT
Landrover - To follow-on from Jomos comments - I struggle to understand this logic & negativity in your post? I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't understand it! Can you explain what you would like WAQ & BG to say or do differently from what they doing currently? Garner could talk for England as far as I’m concerned. And I would also claim that he’s sucked in his chairman and CEO too. Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. Hence my ‘taken for a fool’ observation. This passing game that’s become ever so chic is more about coaching vanity. I am at an age where I’m fed up with people that blow their own trumpet. A deed is worth a thousand words, or achievements first, words second. I get that fans are excited by next season but I’m not prepared to listen to garbage and BS anymore. Passing the football!?!? Whatever next. HOOOOF!!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by landrover on Jul 30, 2020 13:01:27 GMT
The ‘project’ is a smoke screen used by chairmen and managers to buy them time. There are no guarantees in football. You take any success if and when it comes. That’s why I am highly suspicious of Wael and Garner and of their motives. I hate being taken for a fool and this seems to be the case. Garner is all bluster and theory. I shall hand pick my games this season. What motives do you think Wael has? I’ve already said it. Time. There’s nothing worse than fans with unrealistic expectation levels.
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 30, 2020 13:01:31 GMT
Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. IIRC he said he wouldn't immediately change formation/tactics, but then we were somewhat forced into changes due to injuries etc
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Post by landrover on Jul 30, 2020 13:02:36 GMT
How convenient.
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Post by baggins on Jul 30, 2020 13:03:04 GMT
What motives do you think Wael has? I’ve already said it. Time. There’s nothing worse than fans with unrealistic expectation levels. So why are you hand picking what games you go to?
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Post by Marshy on Jul 30, 2020 13:07:18 GMT
I’ve already said it. Time. There’s nothing worse than fans with unrealistic expectation levels. So why are you hand picking what games you go to? With that attitude he shouldn’t bother, as we may only be allowed 2 or 3 thousand I think the genuine fans only should be allowed in. I’m really looking forward to it but because I don’t buy a season ticket I may struggle to get in.
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Post by landrover on Jul 30, 2020 13:29:01 GMT
I’ve already said it. Time. There’s nothing worse than fans with unrealistic expectation levels. So why are you hand picking what games you go to? Finances for starters, and then I would say probably because it’s slow, predictable and passionless. I was more a Coughlan fan but BG represents the modern way. The trouble he has is there’s a league table. Coughlan understood it in spades.
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Post by baggins on Jul 30, 2020 13:37:37 GMT
So why are you hand picking what games you go to? Finances for starters, and then I would say probably because it’s slow, predictable and passionless. I was more a Coughlan fan but BG represents the modern way. The trouble he has is there’s a league table. Coughlan understood it in spades. And your suspicions on Wael and Garner?
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Post by BrightonGas on Jul 30, 2020 13:53:44 GMT
So why are you hand picking what games you go to? Finances for starters, and then I would say probably because it’s slow, predictable and passionless. I was more a Coughlan fan but BG represents the modern way. The trouble he has is there’s a league table. Coughlan understood it in spades. Back to the OP, have you watched it?
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Jul 30, 2020 13:59:07 GMT
Landrover - To follow-on from Jomos comments - I struggle to understand this logic & negativity in your post? I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't understand it! Can you explain what you would like WAQ & BG to say or do differently from what they doing currently? Garner could talk for England as far as I’m concerned. And I would also claim that he’s sucked in his chairman and CEO too. Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. Hence my ‘taken for a fool’ observation. This passing game that’s become ever so chic is more about coaching vanity. I am at an age where I’m fed up with people that blow their own trumpet. A deed is worth a thousand words, or achievements first, words second. I get that fans are excited by next season but I’m not prepared to listen to garbage and BS anymore. Thanks for responding Landrover. I get from your response that you feel BG was the wrong appointment. He has no football to play for 7 weeks and any interview he gives will be wrong and open to criticism from you! I'm afraid I don't agree - but I appreciate the clarity in your post. This is a forum so different views are allowed! Moving on to your comments on WAQ - you said "That’s why I am highly suspicious of Wael and Garner and of their motives". Later you say "A deed is worth a thousand words" How can you be mistrusting of WAQ? as you have stated? Surely Wiping out the clubs Debt & the Training ground are the "Deeds" that you say you are looking for? What more do you want him to do?
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Post by landrover on Jul 30, 2020 14:30:57 GMT
Garner could talk for England as far as I’m concerned. And I would also claim that he’s sucked in his chairman and CEO too. Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. Hence my ‘taken for a fool’ observation. This passing game that’s become ever so chic is more about coaching vanity. I am at an age where I’m fed up with people that blow their own trumpet. A deed is worth a thousand words, or achievements first, words second. I get that fans are excited by next season but I’m not prepared to listen to garbage and BS anymore. Thanks for responding Landrover. I get from your response that you feel BG was the wrong appointment. He has no football to play for 7 weeks and any interview he gives will be wrong and open to criticism from you! I'm afraid I don't agree - but I appreciate the clarity in your post. This is a forum so different views are allowed! Moving on to your comments on WAQ - you said "That’s why I am highly suspicious of Wael and Garner and of their motives". Later you say "A deed is worth a thousand words" How can you be mistrusting of WAQ? as you have stated? Surely Wiping out the clubs Debt & the Training ground are the "Deeds" that you say you are looking for? What more do you want him to do? it’s my fault for not being clear. It wasn’t Wael’s deeds regarding the buy out. I actually meant that Wael was playing for time regarding his, along with Widdrington and Starnes, selection of Ben Garner as our manager. Hence this constant use of the word, project. It’s a very convenient word which comes in handy from time to time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 14:44:43 GMT
This thread is getting embarrassing !!!
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Post by yattongas on Jul 30, 2020 14:49:14 GMT
Thanks for responding Landrover. I get from your response that you feel BG was the wrong appointment. He has no football to play for 7 weeks and any interview he gives will be wrong and open to criticism from you! I'm afraid I don't agree - but I appreciate the clarity in your post. This is a forum so different views are allowed! Moving on to your comments on WAQ - you said "That’s why I am highly suspicious of Wael and Garner and of their motives". Later you say "A deed is worth a thousand words" How can you be mistrusting of WAQ? as you have stated? Surely Wiping out the clubs Debt & the Training ground are the "Deeds" that you say you are looking for? What more do you want him to do? it’s my fault for not being clear. It wasn’t Wael’s deeds regarding the buy out. I actually meant that Wael was playing for time regarding his, along with Widdrington and Starnes, selection of Ben Garner as our manager. Hence this constant use of the word, project. It’s a very convenient word which comes in handy from time to time. Project is just a football buzz word used at nearly every club these days . First heard about “projects” in the prem about a decade ago , probably First was Man City and their project . Foreign players often talked about liking the project ( translation: they liked the huge wages on offer) as to why they signed . It’s just football waffle , I wouldn’t read too much into it.
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Post by neogas on Jul 30, 2020 15:01:01 GMT
Interesting how much people have taken from the video. The big take away for me was that the scouting structure that was put in place at Coventry by Tommy has led to two promotions. We now have something happening now at Rovers in terms of recruiting that should help the club move forward. That’s the long term sustainability that will help a club Of our stature operate at its peak potential.
Wael is more relevant than he has been given credit for as some of Tommy’s insights show.
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Post by Marshy on Jul 30, 2020 15:49:57 GMT
This thread is getting embarrassing !!! Getting, lol! What I don’t get about all this is with all what’s happened to the club over the last few weeks? If you can’t be optimistic with Waels commitment, the training ground and the new signings, then what’s the point! New season, new genuine hope what’s not to like?
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Post by pirate on Jul 30, 2020 16:53:02 GMT
it’s my fault for not being clear. It wasn’t Wael’s deeds regarding the buy out. I actually meant that Wael was playing for time regarding his, along with Widdrington and Starnes, selection of Ben Garner as our manager. Hence this constant use of the word, project. It’s a very convenient word which comes in handy from time to time. Project is just a football buzz word used at nearly every club these days . First heard about “projects” in the prem about a decade ago , probably First was Man City and their project . Foreign players often talked about liking the project ( translation: they liked the huge wages on offer) as to why they signed . It’s just football waffle , I wouldn’t read too much into it. Every game was a project under DC.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 30, 2020 17:17:09 GMT
it’s my fault for not being clear. It wasn’t Wael’s deeds regarding the buy out. I actually meant that Wael was playing for time regarding his, along with Widdrington and Starnes, selection of Ben Garner as our manager. Hence this constant use of the word, project. It’s a very convenient word which comes in handy from time to time. Project is just a football buzz word used at nearly every club these days . First heard about “projects” in the prem about a decade ago , probably First was Man City and their project . Foreign players often talked about liking the project ( translation: they liked the huge wages on offer) as to why they signed . It’s just football waffle , I wouldn’t read too much into it. Yes and no. It has become a bit of a cliche phrase but at the same time they are still people doing a job and looking for opportunities like any other job. Sometimes you dont have a job and need one, other times you do and you look to move on and progress your career. In those circumstances you probably ate interested in the 'project' to some extent and how it can advance the players career
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Post by canberragas69 on Jul 30, 2020 18:21:03 GMT
Interesting how much people have taken from the video. The big take away for me was that the scouting structure that was put in place at Coventry by Tommy has led to two promotions. We now have something happening now at Rovers in terms of recruiting that should help the club move forward. That’s the long term sustainability that will help a club Of our stature operate at its peak potential. Wael is more relevant than he has been given credit for as some of Tommy’s insights show. Yes, I thought the most interesting things he said concerned BG v GC - he clearly thinks the latter is a throw back; and Wael's contribution, about which he is very positive. Like this interview a lot.
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Post by BrightonGas on Jul 30, 2020 18:32:30 GMT
Garner could talk for England as far as I’m concerned. And I would also claim that he’s sucked in his chairman and CEO too. Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. Hence my ‘taken for a fool’ observation. This passing game that’s become ever so chic is more about coaching vanity. I am at an age where I’m fed up with people that blow their own trumpet. A deed is worth a thousand words, or achievements first, words second. I get that fans are excited by next season but I’m not prepared to listen to garbage and BS anymore. Passing the football!?!? Whatever next. HOOOOF!!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Its funny how GC Fanboy Landrover created his account 10 days before GC was appointed!!
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Post by neilv93 on Jul 30, 2020 18:51:54 GMT
Garner could talk for England as far as I’m concerned. And I would also claim that he’s sucked in his chairman and CEO too. Unusually, he took over a winning team, and began to dismantle it almost immediately. He always claimed he would leave it alone, well he didn’t. Hence my ‘taken for a fool’ observation. This passing game that’s become ever so chic is more about coaching vanity. I am at an age where I’m fed up with people that blow their own trumpet. A deed is worth a thousand words, or achievements first, words second. I get that fans are excited by next season but I’m not prepared to listen to garbage and BS anymore. Passing the football!?!? Whatever next. HOOOOF!!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch.
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