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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 19:31:24 GMT
Passing the football!?!? Whatever next. HOOOOF!!!  The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch. Is there any excuse for hoofball these days when most pitches are so good? It was understandable in the not so distant past to bypass the boggy middle part of the pitch. |
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Post by neilv93 on Jul 30, 2020 20:26:59 GMT
The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch. Is there any excuse for hoofball these days when most pitches are so good? It was understandable in the not so distant past to bypass the boggy middle part of the pitch. It's also just not a good strategy either. There's nothing skilful or intelligent about booting a ball up to a 6-foot-something lump to knock down to on-running players. I can't think of many recent examples of success coming from that horrendous style of play bar Wycombe who had the benefit of PPG taking them into the playoffs. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 30, 2020 20:29:40 GMT
Passing the football!?!? Whatever next. HOOOOF!!! The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch. Seriously, fans weren't warming to him when we won 2-1 at Ipswich and went 3rd, before his unexpected post match outburst? If BG can get us to a similar position whilst playing better football then fair play to him but I sense we'll either by a mid table team next season or, with the players BG signed so far this summer, the football won't be a million miles away from GC's football. BG's got an hell of task on his hands next season as he's got to get fans to pay £10(?) to tune into iFollow and they won't tune in to see nice football which does bring results. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 30, 2020 20:31:48 GMT
Very good listen, thanks for posting axe. Tommy W obviously trusted by Wael if involved in the appointment process for BG. That makes me think Wael was aware that he didn’t want to go down the defensive methods of GC and wanted a more progressive manager and TW would help in that process. As others have said GC was very black and white but he was what we needed in the season that saved us. GCs problem, not that he’d admit it, was I rarely saw him able to change tactics to respond to problems other teams set.
What TW has done with the recruitment is pretty impressive and I particularly liked what he said about when he goes (not yet I hope) the databases and everything belong to BRFC, he wouldn’t leave the cupboard bare. He is obviously a master of his particular area of expertise as well as a decent man and that will make us a better football club.
UTG!
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:40:37 GMT
Just started listening, will listen to the rest later. Interesting about GC. It shows that those that matter weren't on the same length as GC with the way we want to play etc. Whilst GC did a fantastic job, he probably didn't suit how we wanted to do things. He comes across a very old school manager more and more(GC). The word you are looking for is "winner" |
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:43:33 GMT
The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch. Is there any excuse for hoofball these days when most pitches are so good? It was understandable in the not so distant past to bypass the boggy middle part of the pitch. As I have previously said, lots of teams play long ball, even Liverpool, but they dont call it long ball, they call it a measured pass |
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Post by neilv93 on Jul 30, 2020 20:44:14 GMT
The days of watching boring, negative football are over in the eyes of most modern-day fans IMO. Football is now an entertainment business. One could argue it always has been but certainly since the PL-era began, and the subsequent windfalls of money shared about since, the imperative thing has become watching enjoyable football rather than 'winning' football. Under GC we were having, and on course for, arguably our most successful seasons in 30 years - and yet we fans didn't warm to him and the attendances weren't following in tandem with the results, if I'm not mistaken. The underlying reason was because the football was, quite frankly, terrible to watch - irrespective of the wins. I'd love to see Rovers win but, ultimately, if I have to part with £25 to watch a game at the Mem, I want to be entertained. Cardiff fans will be delighted they reached the playoffs but there is no doubt they'd rather be playing like Fulham than the Harris/Warnock route one. BLUF: the passing game is not 'chic because of coaching vanity' as per landrover, but 'chic' because it's enjoyable to watch. Seriously, fans weren't warming to him when we won 2-1 at Ipswich and went 3rd, before his unexpected post match outburst? If BG can get us to a similar position whilst playing better football then fair play to him but I sense we'll either by a mid table team next season or, with the players BG signed so far this summer, the football won't be a million miles away from GC's football. BG's got an hell of task on his hands next season as he's got to get fans to pay £10(?) to tune into iFollow and they won't tune in to see nice football which does bring results. The thing is though, 'nice football' creates opportunities. By playing the 'chic passing game' mentioned above we'd control more games, create more chances and defend better (because having more of the ball means less opportunity for the opposition to attack!). Compared to the route one 'play the percentages' approach. Just my opinion of course. I'd obviously prefer to see us winning but I'd accept poor results if we're actively TRYING to play 'the right way' and create good opportunities rather than lumping it to JCH and hoping he smacks one in from 30+ yards. |
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Post by mjg on Jul 30, 2020 20:44:16 GMT
Topper you said 'BG's got an hell of task on his hands next season as he's got to get fans to pay £10(?) to tune into iFollow and they won't tune in to see nice football which does bring results.'
In fairness though, that doesn't sound like a bad deal.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:56:20 GMT
There are only two types of football. Winning football, and losing football. It really doesnt matter if you find it boring or not. Look at arsenal when they won the league, mostly with 1-0's (One Nil to the Arsenal). Personally I feel better coming out of any ground seeing us win. Ok with draws but continual losing is not for me. Last season it was ironic that we beat Sunderland, when we reverted to the tactics they used when Coughlin was here. I think that if he had stayed then we definately would have been in the play offs. Meanwhile Wycombe get promoted. Did they play stylish footy?  |
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 20:59:00 GMT
Seriously, fans weren't warming to him when we won 2-1 at Ipswich and went 3rd, before his unexpected post match outburst? If BG can get us to a similar position whilst playing better football then fair play to him but I sense we'll either by a mid table team next season or, with the players BG signed so far this summer, the football won't be a million miles away from GC's football. BG's got an hell of task on his hands next season as he's got to get fans to pay £10(?) to tune into iFollow and they won't tune in to see nice football which does bring results. The thing is though, 'nice football' creates opportunities. By playing the 'chic passing game' mentioned above we'd control more games, create more chances and defend better (because having more of the ball means less opportunity for the opposition to attack!). Compared to the route one 'play the percentages' approach. Just my opinion of course. I'd obviously prefer to see us winning but I'd accept poor results if we're actively TRYING to play 'the right way' and create good opportunities rather than lumping it to JCH and hoping he smacks one in from 30+ yards. You should have been at Gillingham. Nothing better than defending all the game only to see JCH fire one in from 30yds. Just like Gary Smart at the gate. Days to remember |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 30, 2020 21:03:14 GMT
Just started listening, will listen to the rest later. Interesting about GC. It shows that those that matter weren't on the same length as GC with the way we want to play etc. Whilst GC did a fantastic job, he probably didn't suit how we wanted to do things. He comes across a very old school manager more and more(GC). The word you are looking for is "winner" What's he won as a manager? |
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 30, 2020 21:24:41 GMT
The word you are looking for is "winner" What's he won as a manager? Well he put us 3rd, highest position for Donkeys Years, and I will put money on Mansfield going up next season, which I know we wont be |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 30, 2020 21:33:46 GMT
What's he won as a manager? Well he put us 3rd, highest position for Donkeys Years, and I will put money on Mansfield going up next season, which I know we wont be I think they have a good chance. (in the league below us). You have to win thing s before being called a winner. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 22:53:34 GMT
It was a great find by axegas as usual with some good insights into modern recruitment in football.
Garner has a dreadful record as a manager and we did not play any passing football under him.
Under coughlan we did sign davies,ogogo,hare jaakola and clarke-harris,were they the limited type of player that widdrington was talking about?
I understand that we are giving garner a chance to get results but i do agree with "landrover" in that at the moment its all talk and nothing more.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 31, 2020 6:03:56 GMT
Didn't DC sign Hare?
Coughlan seemed to go for the "robust" no nonsense type of players, mainly over 6', not unlike this summer's signings so far, who are once again are mainly "robust" players over 6'.
With apparently only a maximum of 2 more players due to be signed as our recruitment policy really changed that much, as I doubt Ehmer will be any more of a footballer than Davies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 6:48:08 GMT
Didn't DC sign Hare? Coughlan seemed to go for the "robust" no nonsense type of players, mainly over 6', not unlike this summer's signings so far, who are once again are mainly "robust" players over 6'. With apparently only a maximum of 2 more players due to be signed as our recruitment policy really changed that much, as I doubt Ehmer will be any more of a footballer than Davies. No, coughlan signed him |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jul 31, 2020 7:42:25 GMT
Really interesting interview - our recruitment’s in good hands under Widdrington you feel.
Nice find Axegas!
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Post by Squiffy on Jul 31, 2020 8:01:41 GMT
Is there any excuse for hoofball these days when most pitches are so good? It was understandable in the not so distant past to bypass the boggy middle part of the pitch. As I have previously said, lots of teams play long ball, even Liverpool, but they dont call it long ball, they call it a measured pass It certainly worked for “Roy of the Rovers” each week. 😉 |
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Post by blueridge on Jul 31, 2020 8:04:13 GMT
Interesting/funny few minutes toward the end about DC or “trigg” as they refer to him. Taking the water about his dress sense or lack of it amongst other things.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 31, 2020 8:04:25 GMT
Didn't DC sign Hare? Coughlan seemed to go for the "robust" no nonsense type of players, mainly over 6', not unlike this summer's signings so far, who are once again are mainly "robust" players over 6'. With apparently only a maximum of 2 more players due to be signed as our recruitment policy really changed that much, as I doubt Ehmer will be any more of a footballer than Davies. No, coughlan signed him So GC's signings weren't a great deal different to BG's signings so far this summer! We're still missing the elusive ball playing CM to gel everything together. |
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