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Post by Goose on Aug 3, 2020 13:02:16 GMT
GC had stayed and assumed very good chance of promotion (and who knows re ownership/training ground).
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Current situation?
For me even if we had gone up last year there possibly wouldn't be the positivity and complete change in how we conduct ourselves off the pitch..... No brainer I'd take where we are now no question.
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Post by neilv93 on Aug 3, 2020 13:14:25 GMT
Now. People are within their rights to disagree but GC's football was horrendous to watch and he was not a likeable bloke irrespective of the great results.
BG is building a club right now, structured from the bottom to the top with analysts, wage structure, new training ground (not his doing of course but helps) etc. Likewise, can't example Wael would've convinced his family to part with their shares if we were promoted, not would the debts be capitalised (or whatever the accountancy term is).
BG has a lot of work to do on the pitch to their this into a success story and not another Buckle era but I've not been this optimistic for a long time and long may that continue!
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Post by Gassy on Aug 3, 2020 13:21:30 GMT
Really good question tbh.
I'd pick now, as we seem to be moving in the right direction on all fronts. GC, whilst successful, was a bit of a fluke/one off IMO. Long term, we're in a much better position right now than we were when we were 3rd in the table.
I just hope Garner will work out, he's the only question mark at the club right now IMO.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 3, 2020 13:27:01 GMT
I think I'd rather be in the Championship looking forward to some god-awful football in a desperate struggle to stay up.
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Post by gregsy on Aug 3, 2020 13:27:47 GMT
I'd rather have a bowl of coco pops....
Actually I wouldn't, shreddies for me....
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Post by Marshy on Aug 3, 2020 13:29:02 GMT
Really good question tbh. I'd pick now, as we seem to be moving in the right direction on all fronts. GC, whilst successful, was a bit of a fluke/one off IMO. Long term, we're in a much better position right now than we were when we were 3rd in the table. I just hope Garner will work out, he's the only question mark at the club right now IMO. Garner certainly has the tools now, as we have signed some quality players. But as you say Gassy can he mould them all together and get them playing for him and each other? This is the big question, I really hope so and that he is indeed the man for the job. 👍 Just to add, he will have my full support and I do believe he will be a success.
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Post by miamigas on Aug 3, 2020 13:30:52 GMT
Never look back. Excited to be looking onward and upwards. UTG!
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Post by baggins on Aug 3, 2020 13:31:21 GMT
I think I'd rather be in the Championship looking forward to some god-awful football in a desperate struggle to stay up. Plus the extra cash from going up would probably have seen us sign appropriate players? Mind you, being on Sky Sports live coming to the Mem would have been cringe worthy.
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Post by baggins on Aug 3, 2020 13:32:50 GMT
I'd rather have a bowl of coco pops.... Actually I wouldn't, shreddies for me.... You really haven't got the point of these threads have you chap?
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Post by gregsy on Aug 3, 2020 13:35:09 GMT
I'd rather have a bowl of coco pops.... Actually I wouldn't, shreddies for me.... You really haven't got the point of these threads have you chap? I do try....
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Post by axegas on Aug 3, 2020 13:42:36 GMT
What swings it for me in Garner’s favour is that he is trying to introduce a setup to the football club that will outlive his tenure regardless of how well he does. He’s introduced nutritionalists, a separate analysis team, signed a profile of a player that can be developed, had a say in the training ground plans etc.
Coughlan understood the division, had a rigorous training routine that got the best out of certain players and knew how to grind out the results. However I never had the sense of optimism and excitement that the club was going places that I do now. Coughlan seemed content with the facilities and just wanted to crack on with his job as a coach, Garner seems intent on implementing changes to the football club to make it more forward thinking and more up to speed with modern football. The other thing that counts against GC is the style of football, the fact we were winning games distracted from how bad it was, attendances were dropping and if he had gone through a blip as the one we went through when BG just arrived, the fans would have been on his back very quickly.
As ever the proof is in the pudding and Garner will have to improve his record on the pitch drastically and actually implement the style of play that he promises if he wants to create a lasting impression as a decent manager with the fans, I just think now with all the changes that have happened over the summer and the promising signings coming into the football club, he is more likely to do so.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 3, 2020 13:52:10 GMT
I've only seen us play one second tier game, it was my first. I'd adore a season of struggle in the Championship.
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Post by baggins on Aug 3, 2020 13:53:15 GMT
I've only seen us play one second tier game, it was my first. I'd adore a season of struggle in the Championship. You really wouldn't
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 3, 2020 13:55:57 GMT
I've only seen us play one second tier game, it was my first. I'd adore a season of struggle in the Championship. You really wouldn't No? Oh OK, cheers mate.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 3, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
I would take now as well
I could be completely wrong but I think we are putting a strategy in place where even if BG doesn't succeed, the people coming in after him will have the tools and infrastructure that will.
A bit like Swansea under Roberto Martinez, Brendan Rodgers, Paulo Sousa, Brian Laudrup etc, where the philosophy didn't change.
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Post by yaz on Aug 3, 2020 14:00:14 GMT
I think I'd rather be in the Championship looking forward to some god-awful football in a desperate struggle to stay up. So same as being in L1 then?
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Post by Jomo on Aug 3, 2020 14:00:38 GMT
I would take now as well I could be completely wrong but I think we are putting a strategy in place where even if BG doesn't succeed, the people coming in after him will have the tools and infrastructure that will. A bit like Swansea under Roberto Martinez, Brendan Rodgers, Paulo Sousa, Brian Laudrup etc, where the philosophy didn't change. Agreed, good points there. It's inevitable that BG will leave at some point, either due to poor results, or possibly even to higher echelons if we were to do particularly well this season (fingers crossed!). Either way, we should have a setup by then that a new manager could come into and work in a very similar manner.
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Post by brads213 on Aug 3, 2020 14:02:03 GMT
I would back GC every day of the week we were winning games and in a good position, All BG as shown us is how to lose week in week out
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Post by rambo on Aug 3, 2020 14:03:04 GMT
Now for sure. I don't think we'd have gone up under GC personally - I think we'd have finished in the playoffs which we could've won, who knows, but 25% chance at best.
If the question was guaranteed championship football under GC vs the situation now, i'd choose championship football. I think whatever happened, Wael would've cleared the debts and progressed the training ground.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 3, 2020 14:21:55 GMT
Extremely tricky. I’m not sure we’d have gone all the way under GC but I think we’d have had a good go at it.
I’ve not seen us in the second tier so I’m desperate for this, but if we’re going to go up I’d obviously rather we have a base to work from than not.
Like others I’m extremely excited about the signings we’ve made - they’re very encouraging. But I’m still not convinced about the manager. At least if he does well I get to eat humble pie (happily) and if he doesn’t, then we should have a solid squad for someone else to pick up from.
It’s nice to have a squad that people are looking at with envy at this level instead of a squad of ringers like we normally do.
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