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Post by eastgas on Sept 5, 2020 21:57:41 GMT
I have to disagree slightly with the midfield assessment. We desperately lack a player centrally to carry the ball and break the lines. Not sure there is enough of a goal threat in that area too. At present the striker options are as poor as I can ever remember. Hopefully that will be rectified soon, but considering the likes of Abraham, Nichols, Payne, Adeboyejo and Reilly recently, I'm just praying it won't be another flop. I am with you on this. As much as I have been impressed with grant and Westbrook, we are missing that ball carrying central midfielder who can drive forward and break the lines. For me you have to play with 3 central midfielders in the modern game, 2 more often than not get over-ran and doesn’t allow you the mix and blend of the type of players you need in the middle. I would much prefer to see us set up in a 4-3-3. Grant sitting breaking up play, Westbrook keeping the ball moving and retaining possession and ANother to drive through the middle with a more creative spark. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2020 22:00:01 GMT
The one thing that was clear is, barring a new striker, Ayunga has to start Yeah playing our most exciting attacking midfielder up front on his own as a target man was ludicrous beyond ludicrous. The boys a class act at this level in wide positions. |
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Post by piedpiper on Sept 5, 2020 22:10:18 GMT
Agree with the OP, however there is an alarming hint if you think closer about some of the ‘interesting’ positional selections.
God I hope the doubters are wrong...
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2020 22:46:40 GMT
Agree with the OP, however there is an alarming hint if you think closer about some of the ‘interesting’ positional selections. God I hope the doubters are wrong... The doubters are basically basing their doubt on what we’ve seen so far from the manager. We all want to have a good season but we’re all worried that we seem to have a manager who’s a good coach but not a manager. Time will tell, but I don’t think people have created doubt out of thin air. I doubted it would work from day one, but welcomed him to the club , the things sbout him that I doubted have come to fruition so far. I still want him to succeed because if he doesn’t it means we’re probably going to be bottom four after 10-20 games in a relegation scrap and looking for a new manager. We need two decent strikers. Perhaps those players are already at the club in Ayunga and the young lads but it would be massive risk to not spend some of the money we got on JCH as we might well end up struggling. Rovers Groundhog Day - Sell best striker don’t replace him get relegated, it goes on and on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 23:20:48 GMT
We will get two decent forward players in before the window closes and with those additions we will have a good chance of pushing the top 8 in this league. BG wants to play in the opposition's half and until we get those couple of attacking players who can hold and push up the play we cant judge too much. I'm more than happy with our number 1, defence and midfield/wide men and we just need the final 2 additions upfront to complete the team. When that happens we can then judge BG and results. So we dominated at the back,were strong in midfield but had nothing up front today? Ps i havnt seen any of the game. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 6, 2020 0:02:16 GMT
Disappointing performance today, no question. I think starting the session with these 2 cup games might actually be a blessing in disguise though. They give the players a chance to bed in more and play the way Garner wants them to in the heat of a proper match, with it extra pressure and intensity that they would not get in a meaningless friendly, but also where the result will have no bearing on the league. A shock to the system for the players, a kick up the arse.........I think the result could do is a favour and the team might be a bit more street wise this time next week. The block for the 2nd goal being an example, well worked by Ipswich but hopefully Our new defence will see it coming next time. I would also like to think that in the league away to a top team like Ipswich, Garner Might employ slightly different tactics. I’m not saying park the bus, or complete change of formation, but maybe start with a bit more physicality, we were too lightweight up top today, and maybe not have the wingbacks push quite so high up the pitch, we got caught with balls in behind them a few times While I agree with what you said about the kick up the ass before next weekend.It could be and I hope it will be.Let's deal with facts... BG took over an well performing side 4th in L1 and won 2? Of his first 17/18 games in charge.We dropped like a stone and if not for points already in the bag from GC time/as well as the season ending due to C19 we could well have gone down. The soccer under BG since December has been awlful and He is lucky to still have his job in the modern day football world.(Im not a fan of firing managers after only few games btw) But dispute the above he has been backed very well by our owner...in fact almost as well as any manager in L1 this summer. BG seems a nice,genuine guy and talks a great... great game, but it's now time to cut thru the BS and get results.Simple.. I'm going to be honest today is a very bad sign imho.. He needs a victory against Walsall midweek ( and you know DC will have his players right up for it) or the pressure will be huge next Saturday, even going to Sunderland and there being no fans. I want to give BG time but he has been back really well this summer and off the back of last season and C19 enough of the talk and gps chalkboard crap and get some victorys asap. |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 6, 2020 6:17:43 GMT
We always loose the first game of the season. We always start seasons slowly and often take a few games to get our first win.
This should not be an excuse of course, especially as with a different manager, different players but its still always the same.
Having to wait until the third game to start the league campaign may work in our favor. Of course, based on yesterday we will be big underdogs at Sunderland and will have to do a lot better before picking up our first points of the season.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 6:46:36 GMT
Yesterday I think we gave away the massive advantage to us of no crowd let's hope we don't do the same next week. We are extremely lucky to have to play these big clubs at this time.
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Post by xenongas on Sept 6, 2020 6:49:48 GMT
I have to disagree slightly with the midfield assessment. We desperately lack a player centrally to carry the ball and break the lines. Not sure there is enough of a goal threat in that area too. At present the striker options are as poor as I can ever remember. Hopefully that will be rectified soon, but considering the likes of Abraham, Nichols, Payne, Adeboyejo and Reilly recently, I'm just praying it won't be another flop. I am with you on this. As much as I have been impressed with grant and Westbrook, we are missing that ball carrying central midfielder who can drive forward and break the lines. For me you have to play with 3 central midfielders in the modern game, 2 more often than not get over-ran and doesn’t allow you the mix and blend of the type of players you need in the middle. I would much prefer to see us set up in a 4-3-3. Grant sitting breaking up play, Westbrook keeping the ball moving and retaining possession and ANother to drive through the middle with a more creative spark. I'd say we had the ball carrying midfielders on the pitch yesterday. The first half front three can all do that job. The issue was they had noone ahead of them to play off when they did drive forward so got stuck before getting in behind the Ipswich defence. Ipswich were more efficient at getting up the pitch then playing around our box. All 3 goals came from an original long ball into the space outside the CBs then supporting runners attacking the box. They had 92 long balls compared to our 60. I'm not saying we should start playing hoofball (which obviously aren't the sort of team Ipswich are) but using it as an example of how Ipswich gave themselves attacking opportunities whereas we found it hard to transition from tidy football in the middle to the final third. The focal striker is what we need to enable the skillful likes of JML and Nicholson (who both got into goalscoring positions yesterday and should have both done better) to get use their abilities in the final third, not 40yards out. |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 7:03:01 GMT
Yesterday for me the biggest mistake was losing possession, when we were attacking. Giving the ball away in the Ipswich half when we are all out of position made the whole team look poor. We need to hold the ball up to bring the wing backs into play imo.
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Post by cockergas on Sept 6, 2020 7:31:33 GMT
Disappointing performance today, no question. I think starting the session with these 2 cup games might actually be a blessing in disguise though. They give the players a chance to bed in more and play the way Garner wants them to in the heat of a proper match, with it extra pressure and intensity that they would not get in a meaningless friendly, but also where the result will have no bearing on the league. A shock to the system for the players, a kick up the arse.........I think the result could do is a favour and the team might be a bit more street wise this time next week. The block for the 2nd goal being an example, well worked by Ipswich but hopefully Our new defence will see it coming next time. I would also like to think that in the league away to a top team like Ipswich, Garner Might employ slightly different tactics. I’m not saying park the bus, or complete change of formation, but maybe start with a bit more physicality, we were too lightweight up top today, and maybe not have the wingbacks push quite so high up the pitch, we got caught with balls in behind them a few times While I agree with what you said about the kick up the ass before next weekend.It could be and I hope it will be.Let's deal with facts... BG took over an well performing side 4th in L1 and won 2? Of his first 17/18 games in charge.We dropped like a stone and if not for points already in the bag from GC time/as well as the season ending due to C19 we could well have gone down. The soccer under BG since December has been awlful and He is lucky to still have his job in the modern day football world.(Im not a fan of firing managers after only few games btw) But dispute the above he has been backed very well by our owner...in fact almost as well as any manager in L1 this summer. BG seems a nice,genuine guy and talks a great... great game, but it's now time to cut thru the BS and get results.Simple.. I'm going to be honest today is a very bad sign imho.. He needs a victory against Walsall midweek ( and you know DC will have his players right up for it) or the pressure will be huge next Saturday, even going to Sunderland and there being no fans. I want to give BG time but he has been back really well this summer and off the back of last season and C19 enough of the talk and gps chalkboard crap and get some victorys asap. BG took over an well performing side 4th in L1 and won 2? Of his first 17/18 games in charge. Whilst the results under Coughlin were good and got us up to 2nd the football and entertainment was dire, we even made teams Like Southend look good. But he got the results. Garner wants to deliver a completely different style, which I think we all would prefer to watch, now he has his own team we should at least give him the a bit of time to make it work. ‘Rome wasn’t built in a day’ and it may take a few proper competitive games and one of 2 additions for it all to click into place. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 6, 2020 7:39:36 GMT
We always loose the first game of the season. We always start seasons slowly and often take a few games to get our first win. This should not be an excuse of course, especially as with a different manager, different players but its still always the same. Having to wait until the third game to start the league campaign may work in our favor. Of course, based on yesterday we will be big underdogs at Sunderland and will have to do a lot better before picking up our first points of the season. So the new excuses are going to be we always have a bad start to the season? We always lose to Ipswich. We always lose to whoever? We always do sh** in the cups? Attitudes like this don’t cut it. If we’re complacent we’ll stay in L1 or worse we will end up falling back down the leagues. If we want to progress we need to beat teams like Ipswich like the PE teacher managed last season. I want the Bristol Rovers manager to take it on the chin and say poor performance and losses are unacceptable and do something about it like his two predecessors did and not make excuses. Ipswich, Sunderland, Hull are all league one clubs now and we should be afraid of no team regardless of who they used to be. Ben has been backed massively as stated a few posts back and for me the bar has been raised massively too vs if this was a new manager altogether as he had a decent wedge of last season as well to build his squad and instil his philosophy. |
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 6, 2020 7:44:53 GMT
So does that mean we will be happy when it clicks into place competing in the plays off at conference level again?there is only so much retreating you can do before you have to admit you lost the war
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 6, 2020 8:00:54 GMT
What gets me is, he knew we were lightweight up top and yet still persevered with 3 lightweight players up top! Surely each match warrants its own analysis of what’s needed to get a result! We needed to pack the midfield yesterday, Ogogo in front of a back line and all hands on deck
Instead we look weak through the spine of the team and it showed
Sometimes, Ben, you need to play a little bit ugly my man.
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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 6, 2020 8:21:39 GMT
Playing ugly isn't Ben's way.
I was concerned when he was so proud of Tutonda's humility when announcing his signing - as if it was his best attribute - and that he would really fit in with the rest of the squad. A team of humble and modest players will not cut it in League 1.
We need some bite in midfield to win the ball back, and to protect the defence. Yesterday as soon as we lost the ball we were opened up with ease.
BG has to bring Ogogo back into the fold or recruit similar, find a big strong centre forward, and ideally find a player that can operate the playmaker role in midfield when we get hold of the ball.
Perhaps we have the final piece of these three already in the squad - if the other two are found to give that player the chance to operate in that role.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 6, 2020 8:40:39 GMT
While I agree with what you said about the kick up the ass before next weekend.It could be and I hope it will be.Let's deal with facts... BG took over an well performing side 4th in L1 and won 2? Of his first 17/18 games in charge.We dropped like a stone and if not for points already in the bag from GC time/as well as the season ending due to C19 we could well have gone down. The soccer under BG since December has been awlful and He is lucky to still have his job in the modern day football world.(Im not a fan of firing managers after only few games btw) But dispute the above he has been backed very well by our owner...in fact almost as well as any manager in L1 this summer. BG seems a nice,genuine guy and talks a great... great game, but it's now time to cut thru the BS and get results.Simple.. I'm going to be honest today is a very bad sign imho.. He needs a victory against Walsall midweek ( and you know DC will have his players right up for it) or the pressure will be huge next Saturday, even going to Sunderland and there being no fans. I want to give BG time but he has been back really well this summer and off the back of last season and C19 enough of the talk and gps chalkboard crap and get some victorys asap. BG took over an well performing side 4th in L1 and won 2? Of his first 17/18 games in charge. Whilst the results under Coughlin were good and got us up to 2nd the football and entertainment was dire, we even made teams Like Southend look good. But he got the results. Garner wants to deliver a completely different style, which I think we all would prefer to watch, now he has his own team we should at least give him the a bit of time to make it work. ‘Rome wasn’t built in a day’ and it may take a few proper competitive games and one of 2 additions for it all to click into place. Too reasoned and balanced well said expect a months ban 😂 |
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 6, 2020 10:04:06 GMT
There are 2 types of football, winning football and losing football. How you achieve one or the other is really the type of players you have. At present we have good players on paper but we need an ugly one somewhere in the midle
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Post by playtowin on Sept 6, 2020 12:06:11 GMT
BG needs to learn very fast and he needs to start with the basics.
We start a game with a clean sheet and aim to end the game with one.
That was what worked last season ,men throwing themselves in the way to make blocks.Every player closing down and defending.
Yesterday saw ipswich players in acres of space when getting the ball.
The defending from the whole team yesterday was pathetic.Dont be fooled , Ipswich were not particularly good, average at best .
Defending like yesterday all season will see Rovers bottom of the table and relegated with a month left in the season.
BG needs to get a grip of the situation or his managerial career will end by Halloween.
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