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Post by axegas on Sept 5, 2020 17:15:18 GMT
There is no denying that it was a poor and disappointing performance from Rovers today and there is also no denying that Garner's record as manager makes for painful viewing.
However, I think the message should be let's hold our nerve and wait a little while longer before delivering judgement of this seasons side. We're only one game into the season after all and it wasn't even played in the league.
A positive that I can see is that we seem to have a decent midfield this year, I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them and the likes of Upson and Hargreaves give us different options.
We've also got options defensively. What was clear from today, is that the centre backs lacked an understanding of playing with each other and also some match sharpness shown by the slow reaction times and wayward balls.
Both of these things can be resolved with the centre backs getting used to each other and having minutes under their belts. Failing that, we've got Harries on the bench, Little and Grant who can fill in as a CB or the option of switching to a four at the back.
Striker wise, I think everyone, including the management staff know that we are in need of a striker coming into the football club to replace JCH and give us some "oomph" going forward. When that happens, this is something that will also improve us from today's showing.
Keep the faith Gasheads, there is a long season ahead and plenty of time to get better.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 5, 2020 17:28:48 GMT
Good post Axe, totally agree
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 5, 2020 17:37:04 GMT
I just can’t ignore the results/performances from last season under Garner. Today was a continuation of that only without a goalscorer. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong and eat humble pie but I can’t remember a manager ever turning around a run of results that Garner has been on since he took charge. I can see similarities between Garner and Trollope in his last season. I remember the game away at Oxford early on in that season where we turned up trying to play this fancy tippy-tappy football and got thumped in the process because the emphasis had been put on a slick passing game rather than doing the basics i.e. defending properly. My concern is that Garner is trying to get league one players to play Premier League football.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 5, 2020 17:45:32 GMT
The one thing that was clear is, barring a new striker, Ayunga has to start
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Post by LJG on Sept 5, 2020 17:51:27 GMT
There is no denying that it was a poor and disappointing performance from Rovers today and there is also no denying that Garner's record as manager makes for painful viewing. However, I think the message should be let's hold our nerve and wait a little while longer before reserving judgement of this seasons side. We're only one game into the season after all and it wasn't even played in the league. A positive that I can see is that we seem to have a decent midfield this year, I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them and the likes of Upson and Hargreaves give us different options. We've also got options defensively. What was clear from today, is that the centre backs lacked an understanding of playing with each other and also some match sharpness shown by the slow reaction times and wayward balls. Both of these things can be resolved with the centre backs getting used to each other and having minutes under their belts. Failing that, we've got Harries on the bench, Little and Grant who can fill in as a CB or the option of switching to a four at the back. Striker wise, I think everyone, including the management staff know that we are in need of a striker coming into the football club to replace JCH and give us some "oomph" going forward. When that happens, this is something that will also improve us from today's showing. Keep the faith Gasheads, there is a long season ahead and plenty of time to get better. We have to wait until we can reserve judgement? So when do we get to deliver judgement?
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Post by Raj Gas on Sept 5, 2020 17:52:07 GMT
Some great points made and the telling ones for me are.
We have many centre half's but for me the key is consistency and I would play the same three again for the next game although I read Garner isn't.
Secondly trying to play premiership football with league one players and with a coach who has not managed or even coached at this level, a definite worry.
We need consistency and we need experience......and Wael please we need a striker!
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Post by axegas on Sept 5, 2020 17:56:23 GMT
There is no denying that it was a poor and disappointing performance from Rovers today and there is also no denying that Garner's record as manager makes for painful viewing. However, I think the message should be let's hold our nerve and wait a little while longer before reserving judgement of this seasons side. We're only one game into the season after all and it wasn't even played in the league. A positive that I can see is that we seem to have a decent midfield this year, I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them and the likes of Upson and Hargreaves give us different options. We've also got options defensively. What was clear from today, is that the centre backs lacked an understanding of playing with each other and also some match sharpness shown by the slow reaction times and wayward balls. Both of these things can be resolved with the centre backs getting used to each other and having minutes under their belts. Failing that, we've got Harries on the bench, Little and Grant who can fill in as a CB or the option of switching to a four at the back. Striker wise, I think everyone, including the management staff know that we are in need of a striker coming into the football club to replace JCH and give us some "oomph" going forward. When that happens, this is something that will also improve us from today's showing. Keep the faith Gasheads, there is a long season ahead and plenty of time to get better. We have to wait until we can reserve judgement? So when do we get to deliver judgement? Ah yes, apologies. Have amended.
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Post by ian46 on Sept 5, 2020 17:59:41 GMT
The gas will be fine this season. Expecting a top half finish, maybe a play off push.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 5, 2020 18:10:16 GMT
The gas will be fine this season. Expecting a top half finish, maybe a play off push. Thanks Ben, I’m glad to see you’re keeping your pecker up. 👍
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 5, 2020 18:30:38 GMT
"I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them"
What impressed you today?
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Post by pirate on Sept 5, 2020 18:34:15 GMT
I have to disagree slightly with the midfield assessment. We desperately lack a player centrally to carry the ball and break the lines. Not sure there is enough of a goal threat in that area too.
At present the striker options are as poor as I can ever remember. Hopefully that will be rectified soon, but considering the likes of Abraham, Nichols, Payne, Adeboyejo and Reilly recently, I'm just praying it won't be another flop.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 5, 2020 18:43:17 GMT
"I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them" What impressed you today? To be fair, Westbrooke looks good. Grant yet to be convinced but I am only judging on the little I have seen so far.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 5, 2020 18:50:04 GMT
I just can’t ignore the results/performances from last season under Garner. Today was a continuation of that only without a goalscorer. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong and eat humble pie but I can’t remember a manager ever turning around a run of results that Garner has been on since he took charge. I can see similarities between Garner and Trollope in his last season. I remember the game away at Oxford early on in that season where we turned up trying to play this fancy tippy-tappy football and got thumped in the process because the emphasis had been put on a slick passing game rather than doing the basics i.e. defending properly. My concern is that Garner is trying to get league one players to play Premier League football. Not saying Garner will be successful, it is doubtful. But Coventry played good passing football last season, as do teams like Oxford. Also Wycombe went up playing the opposite. So no reason why a team can't play that type of football.
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Post by casey12a on Sept 5, 2020 18:50:50 GMT
The worrying thing is today looked like so many games under Garner last season. The excuses of not having a preseason or his players/staff have gone and we look no different. Everyone wants it to work but I can’t see him being manager come December. The positive is that I think our recruitment (Players) has been good.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 5, 2020 18:56:05 GMT
I just can’t ignore the results/performances from last season under Garner. Today was a continuation of that only without a goalscorer. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong and eat humble pie but I can’t remember a manager ever turning around a run of results that Garner has been on since he took charge. I can see similarities between Garner and Trollope in his last season. I remember the game away at Oxford early on in that season where we turned up trying to play this fancy tippy-tappy football and got thumped in the process because the emphasis had been put on a slick passing game rather than doing the basics i.e. defending properly. My concern is that Garner is trying to get league one players to play Premier League football. Not saying Garner will be successful, it is doubtful. But Coventry played good passing football last season, as do teams like Oxford. Also Wycombe went up playing the opposite. So no reason why a team can't play that type of football. What exactly are you trying to say? Play any brand of football and you can go up?
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 5, 2020 19:02:14 GMT
"I've been impressed with Grant and Westbrooke every time I've seen them" What impressed you today? The way they linked up to create the shooting chance for Grant was promising. Some of their passing in tight areas was good as well. Good movement into the box from Westbrook when it was 0 0 as well, good timing of the run, he got the shot off first time, but off target. Both young and have plenty of time to develop. Think they would both benefit from having Upson in with them though and playing 3 in midfield. They seemed isolated for most of the game.
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Post by axegas on Sept 5, 2020 19:04:14 GMT
I have to disagree slightly with the midfield assessment. We desperately lack a player centrally to carry the ball and break the lines. Not sure there is enough of a goal threat in that area too. At present the striker options are as poor as I can ever remember. Hopefully that will be rectified soon, but considering the likes of Abraham, Nichols, Payne, Adeboyejo and Reilly recently, I'm just praying it won't be another flop. I think I was basing it off of the midfield of previous seasons, Westbrooke and Grant will improve us in that department I feel. On the basis of today, would definitely take an attacking midfielder to help link JML and Nicholson into play though. Hmm not sure who I’d prefer out of this crop of strikers or Adeboyejo, Payne, Reilly or Nichols. At least Daly and Ayunga are a bit younger and have potential I suppose, will need another striker to bolster our options this window for sure.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Sept 5, 2020 19:04:30 GMT
We will get two decent forward players in before the window closes and with those additions we will have a good chance of pushing the top 8 in this league. BG wants to play in the opposition's half and until we get those couple of attacking players who can hold and push up the play we cant judge too much. I'm more than happy with our number 1, defence and midfield/wide men and we just need the final 2 additions upfront to complete the team. When that happens we can then judge BG and results.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 5, 2020 19:08:41 GMT
Not saying Garner will be successful, it is doubtful. But Coventry played good passing football last season, as do teams like Oxford. Also Wycombe went up playing the opposite. So no reason why a team can't play that type of football. What exactly are you trying to say? Play any brand of football and you can go up? Yes you can play any brand of football and go up. Last season showed that. You need the right type of player's for your system though. Wycombe wouldn't have gone up playing passing football from the back. He said he's worried Garner is trying to play Premier League football in League 1. I thought that meant passing football. Was just saying it is possible to play that way and have success.
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Post by cockergas on Sept 5, 2020 19:13:27 GMT
Disappointing performance today, no question. I think starting the session with these 2 cup games might actually be a blessing in disguise though.
They give the players a chance to bed in more and play the way Garner wants them to in the heat of a proper match, with it extra pressure and intensity that they would not get in a meaningless friendly, but also where the result will have no bearing on the league. A shock to the system for the players, a kick up the arse.........I think the result could do is a favour and the team might be a bit more street wise this time next week. The block for the 2nd goal being an example, well worked by Ipswich but hopefully Our new defence will see it coming next time.
I would also like to think that in the league away to a top team like Ipswich, Garner Might employ slightly different tactics. I’m not saying park the bus, or complete change of formation, but maybe start with a bit more physicality, we were too lightweight up top today, and maybe not have the wingbacks push quite so high up the pitch, we got caught with balls in behind them a few times
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