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Post by Congas on Sept 13, 2020 7:09:49 GMT
Togetherness moves mountains, especially when you're playing a team with expectations weighing them down and a manager as dour as Parkinson. We got it tactically spot on and didn't have to fall back too early to defend the lead because they lacked a bit of edge up front. Hanlon going off and Hargreaves coming on turned the tide a bit, but it still took a longish shot to pull them level. Hanlon holds the ball up really well and worked hard throughout so it was no surprise when he limped off.
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Post by blueridge on Sept 13, 2020 7:36:18 GMT
A good result but for me not a particularly good performance. On another day we could have conceded at least four goals but fortunately we have IMO the best goal goalkeeper in the league. Apart from the penalty we created nothing at all, the midfield was weak and non combative, and the centre backs apart from Harries who had a reasonable game looked vulnerable to virtually every cross that came into the box. IMO only three/four players had reasonable games apart from AJ who was brilliant.
Sunderland didn’t look a particularly good side but could and should have put a few goals past us - but every point will count come the end of the season. We still have a player on our books who would add bite to our midfield in place of Grant who was anonymous yesterday and I’m yet to be convinced of - Ogogo should be playing next week.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 13, 2020 11:03:22 GMT
The concerns. The only real shot Rovers had was from Ayunga and then he had 3 defenders to contend with on his own. He will be good if he actually gets passed to. If JVS or any other average league one keeper had played instead of Jaakkola, Rovers would have lost by a clear margin.
The positives. Rovers started well pressing high closing down quick with good pass and move. Even with the sunderland shot going in it was good to see 3 players throw themselves to try to block the shot . Unlike in other games where they have either spectated or just not been there.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 13, 2020 11:26:30 GMT
The defence looked much better without the dud Baldwin in it and the return of the man mountain Anssi, Ehmer also looked a real good body on the line defender. Hard to judge the rest of the players as they saw very little of the ball but promising signs from Hanlan and Ayunga imo.
Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 13, 2020 11:37:28 GMT
Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. I have no problem with that. If Leahy was off the pitch, then Sunderland can just carry on while we're down to 10 men. These little things are the difference between getting a valuable point away from home or getting nothing.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 13, 2020 11:40:50 GMT
particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. Big fan of that, personally. It’s not like Leahy was feigning injury - the bloke was genuinely hurt and Sunderland would have done the same in that situation. My main fear under BG is that we’re a team of ‘nice guys’ & we become a soft touch, so I was really pleased to see us doing a bit of clever gamesmanship like that. I suspect there’s plenty of more cynical & experienced sides than us in this division who will pull out all the tricks in the book to win points, so we either match them or suffer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 11:48:28 GMT
Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. I have no problem with that. If Leahy was off the pitch, then Sunderland can just carry on while we're down to 10 men. These little things are the difference between getting a valuable point away from home or getting nothing. Didn't achieve anything as the ref played on anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 11:55:05 GMT
The defence looked much better without the dud Baldwin in it and the return of the man mountain Anssi, Ehmer also looked a real good body on the line defender. Hard to judge the rest of the players as they saw very little of the ball but promising signs from Hanlan and Ayunga imo. Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. “The dud Baldwin” 😂. The same one that played in a completely alien position in the last match? Perhaps the absence of Hargreaves from the starting line up also made the same ‘significant’ difference to the defence !!!!!!!
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 13, 2020 12:06:37 GMT
The defence looked much better without the dud Baldwin in it and the return of the man mountain Anssi, Ehmer also looked a real good body on the line defender. Hard to judge the rest of the players as they saw very little of the ball but promising signs from Hanlan and Ayunga imo. Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. “The dud Baldwin” 😂. The same one that played in a completely alien position in the last match? Perhaps the absence of Hargreaves from the starting line up also made the same ‘significant’ difference to the defence !!!!!!! There's a reason Baldwin was dropped (even to face his previous colleagues) and Hargreaves doesn't play in defence. 😂 Each to their own and call me old fashioned but there's a lot to say for sportsmanship and I'll be the first to complain when teams have done it to us e.g. Wycombe.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 13, 2020 12:22:38 GMT
If the first half is a sign of things to come this season, then we will do fine. Was a bit backs to the wall in the second half but we defended very well. Little probably had his best game for us. Leahy was decent. (I've always thought he was an ok wing back in this league). Harries look good too, has a lot of potential. Hanlan showed promise and hopefully will improve his match fitness. Its nice to have a striker with pace. He will win a lot of free kicks as we saw yesterday with the yellow card that wasn't given. He will also get goals for us. Ayunga will be a good option from the bench. Had pretty much our only other shot at goal, he did well to beat the defender to get the shot in. I thought Grant did ok. I think if we want to attack teams more, then Upson will be a better choice. I think this is also why Little got the nod because he is the better defender of our wing backs. Hare/Rodman will more likely play against the teams we will have more of a chance of beating and want to attack. Good post - especially the bit about Little - I thought he played really well against Cardiff and have been quite surprised that people have been slagging him off on here recently. He may not be the quickest, but he seemed to be getting stuck in all over the place, breaking up attacks and looking to get the ball downfield.
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Post by aforce on Sept 13, 2020 12:29:44 GMT
A good result but for me not a particularly good performance. On another day we could have conceded at least four goals but fortunately we have IMO the best goal goalkeeper in the league. Apart from the penalty we created nothing at all, the midfield was weak and non combative, and the centre backs apart from Harries who had a reasonable game looked vulnerable to virtually every cross that came into the box. IMO only three/four players had reasonable games apart from AJ who was brilliant. Sunderland didn’t look a particularly good side but could and should have put a few goals past us - but every point will count come the end of the season. We still have a player on our books who would add bite to our midfield in place of Grant who was anonymous yesterday and I’m yet to be convinced of - Ogogo should be playing next week. Pretty much how I saw it. 9 times out of 10 you don’t ride your luck and that shot hits the inside of the post and goes in and we lose the game. Everyone particularly second half didn’t want the ball it was like a red hot potato. I think we got away with that performance massively
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 13, 2020 15:05:38 GMT
Absolutely amazed with the criticism for the performance but not over surprised. How can anyone criticise any of the defenders- Sunderland could have won 3-1 but thats basing on ifs. You could just as easily say we could have deservedly been 2-0 up in the first 20 minutes rather than one. Annsi made three class saves but that is what he is paid to do. It is very easy to say Sunderland were poor but how about looking into why they were poor.Perhaps it was something to do with the standard of our defending and general play and closing down. We created four good chances to score plus two occasions where Mitchell-Lawson who played well could have created cledar cut chances with easy passes. As regards the "dud Baldwin" how can you call yourself a Rovers supporter with that sort of comment based on how many minutes of game time. You should be ashamed. I firmly believe that there is a lot of goo9d to come from ALL the players BG has signed given a fair amount of time. With 7 debutants things are only going to get better but please look further before coming out with Sunderland were poor.Most football matches are won with about 5 minutes of football- a simplified example of this is for instance how many teams go on to9 win games after scoring in the 44th minute? One poor refereeing decision can affect the whole match. Had Sunderland gone down to ten players when they should have done we could now be talking about a much improved second half display and a 2 or 3 goal win.
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Post by BlueQuarter on Sept 13, 2020 15:12:40 GMT
I think that the defensive shape at Sunderland was better and an improvement on the previous two matches. That said, I agree with other posters who alluded to the shape resulting in the midfield doing a poor job of screening the defensive 3.
I was concerned that when one our CMs presses or covers the wide areas it left one in the centre on their own. On a few occasions Sunderland had central overloads on us 15 yards from our box.
In my opinion, we will need to be more compact against sides that play a narrow midfield 3 as Westbrooke and Grant will continue to be overrun.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 13, 2020 15:31:42 GMT
Sunderland had quality players in their midfield as they did over most parts of their team. One of their players cost many times more than our entire team. Our midfield will more than hold its own against a lot of the teams in this division but even if they do there is no guarantee in football that we will win games. Who would have thought that Peterborough would be deservedly beat at Accrington? Oh of course Peterborough played poorly. Two teams cause what happens in a game of football.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Sept 13, 2020 16:22:53 GMT
A good result but for me not a particularly good performance. On another day we could have conceded at least four goals but fortunately we have IMO the best goal goalkeeper in the league. Apart from the penalty we created nothing at all, the midfield was weak and non combative, and the centre backs apart from Harries who had a reasonable game looked vulnerable to virtually every cross that came into the box. IMO only three/four players had reasonable games apart from AJ who was brilliant. Sunderland didn’t look a particularly good side but could and should have put a few goals past us - but every point will count come the end of the season. We still have a player on our books who would add bite to our midfield in place of Grant who was anonymous yesterday and I’m yet to be convinced of - Ogogo should be playing next week. Pretty much how I saw it. 9 times out of 10 you don’t ride your luck and that shot hits the inside of the post and goes in and we lose the game. Everyone particularly second half didn’t want the ball it was like a red hot potato. I think we got away with that performance massively Coughlan rode his luck for half a season, let's give BGs new team time too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 16:36:00 GMT
The defence looked much better without the dud Baldwin in it and the return of the man mountain Anssi, Ehmer also looked a real good body on the line defender. Hard to judge the rest of the players as they saw very little of the ball but promising signs from Hanlan and Ayunga imo. Only real negative for me was the constant rolling around on the floor feigning injury, particularly Garner telling Leahy to roll back on the pitch, hoping that we don't see this sort of thing too often. Hmm...that’s pretty dark. I recall how the old forum lost it’s sh** because Gary Johnson told his player to do similar, leading to Savage Dave getting a red. I’m all for a bit of time wasting but it will be pretty poor if Garner’s beautiful game philosophy involves teaching his players to play like a load of fairies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 16:38:52 GMT
Absolutely amazed with the criticism for the performance but not over surprised. How can anyone criticise any of the defenders- Sunderland could have won 3-1 but thats basing on ifs. You could just as easily say we could have deservedly been 2-0 up in the first 20 minutes rather than one. Annsi made three class saves but that is what he is paid to do. It is very easy to say Sunderland were poor but how about looking into why they were poor.Perhaps it was something to do with the standard of our defending and general play and closing down. We created four good chances to score plus two occasions where Mitchell-Lawson who played well could have created cledar cut chances with easy passes. As regards the "dud Baldwin" how can you call yourself a Rovers supporter with that sort of comment based on how many minutes of game time. You should be ashamed. I firmly believe that there is a lot of goo9d to come from ALL the players BG has signed given a fair amount of time. With 7 debutants things are only going to get better but please look further before coming out with Sunderland were poor.Most football matches are won with about 5 minutes of football- a simplified example of this is for instance how many teams go on to9 win games after scoring in the 44th minute? One poor refereeing decision can affect the whole match. Had Sunderland gone down to ten players when they should have done we could now be talking about a much improved second half display and a 2 or 3 goal win. It does feel a bit like relying on your keeper to mask your deficiencies is in some ways cheating. But on the other hand even Ferguson’s great United team of the 90’s had to rely on a world class keeper often- if you took Schmeichel out of that side you would probably have to hand back a couple of titles too. So having a keeper that earns you points is all part of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:03:10 GMT
“The dud Baldwin” 😂. The same one that played in a completely alien position in the last match? Perhaps the absence of Hargreaves from the starting line up also made the same ‘significant’ difference to the defence !!!!!!! There's a reason Baldwin was dropped (even to face his previous colleagues) and Hargreaves doesn't play in defence. 😂 Each to their own and call me old fashioned but there's a lot to say for sportsmanship and I'll be the first to complain when teams have done it to us e.g. Wycombe. I know Hargreaves doesn’t play in defence. I also know Baldwin doesn’t play in midfield - but for some reason was playing there midweek. The point being neither not playing Saturday will have had any impact on the performance of the defence given both had played further up the pitch in the previous game. I’m not sure why you turned on Baldwin when he’s not even played a league game for us yet. Anyway each to their own!
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2020 19:36:58 GMT
BG said post match Baldwin played a number of games in midfield for Salford last season, so it wasn't that alien for him. Plus with Upson suspended BG had to find someone to play in that role in mid week, apart from Harris I'm not sure he had that many options.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 19:53:35 GMT
BG said post match Baldwin played a number of games in midfield for Salford last season, so it wasn't that alien for him. Plus with Upson suspended BG had to find someone to play in that role in mid week, apart from Harris I'm not sure he had that many options. I wonder how many of his 200 plus senior appearances have been in midfield? IMO he is not a midfielder and I suspect if you asked him he would say the same. Regardless, I don’t get why anyone would want to write him off before he’s even played a single league game for us. Sign of the times I suppose, we all used to mock city fans for being so fickle, impatient and unforgiving but our fan base is quickly closing the gap judging by comments on here over the past couple of weeks.
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